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August 28, 2008

Katrina again?

Posted: 09:33 AM ET

NOAA's 7am Thursday update shows Gustav taking aim at Jamaica

NOAA's 7am Thursday update shows Gustav taking aim at Jamaica

Wednesday morning, a groan went up in the CNN newsroom as several of us viewed the latest forecast track for Tropical Storm Gustav – projected to strengthen, possibly to a Category Three hurricane. Nearly three years to the day after Katrina flooded New Orleans and leveled much of the Mississippi Coast, we were looking at the possibility of Hurricane Gustav doing the same thing.

Gustav has brought heavy rains and floods to the Dominican Republic, Haiti, and Cuba. Late Wednesday, the storm took an abrupt left turn. Instead of skirting north of Jamaica, Gustav could now score a direct hit on Jamaica and the Cayman Islands.

Next stop is the bathtub-warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico - 87 or 88 degrees Fahrenheit in some places. With precious little wind shear to knock the storm down, it's a recipe to cook up a major hurricane, possibly hitting the U.S. Gulf Coast by Tuesday.

If Gustav stays on its current track, it'll pass through the Gulf of Mexico offshore oil fields, offering a possible repeat of the damage and disruptions caused by Katrina, Hurricane Rita a month later, and by Hurricane Ivan in 2004. Oil markets are already edgy, with a dollar-a-barrel jump on Wednesday blamed on the risk from this storm.

That's one thing. A repeat of Katrina's damage would be another. If this storm does indeed hit New Orleans and the Mississippi Coast, will it be a knockout blow for a struggling region? As of Thursday morning, the forecast track has shifted a bit to the west of New Orleans. Either way, it's time to say a prayer for the Gulf Coast, and for one of the most unique cities on earth.

There are two other tropical systems worth watching. A tropical depression, located about 400 miles east of Puerto Rico, could reach hurricane force and threaten the Bahamas next week. Another system could form in the mid-Atlantic over the next few days.

Peter Dykstra Executive Producer CNN Science, Tech & Weather

Filed under: climate change • environment • Flooding • hurricanes • meteorology • Oceans • Severe weather • Weather


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Larian LeQuella   August 28th, 2008 10:18 am ET

I personally think that the Hurricanes are all mad at Pat O'Briens for using their name for something as trivial as a drink... Either that, or it's nature's way of clueing those dumb hairless primates into the fact that cities below sea level are generally a bad idea...

Ain't weather a wonderful thing?


James, New Orleans   August 28th, 2008 10:27 am ET

Most cities are built along coasts and rivers for a reason. That does put them in the way for floods and other problems, but that's how civilization got started. Katrina was a once in a 1,000years storm. Gustav will not be as destructive.


Martin   August 28th, 2008 11:42 am ET

Good riddance, New Orleans.


Hurricane Gustav   August 28th, 2008 11:45 am ET

I will destroy more of the mediocre city of New Orleans, disrupt oil platforms and close ghetto Biloxi riverboat casinoes !

Once and for all, the U.S. Meteorological Society will learn that they can't keep us tropical storms down, no matter how dippy of a name they assign to us.


Sea Temps   August 28th, 2008 1:15 pm ET

The sea temps are really, really high... If Gustav's forward momentum stalls a little bit in the gulf, this thing could grow like crazy. The temps are even warmer than they were for Andrew or Katrina.


JohnyC   August 28th, 2008 1:36 pm ET

"Katrina Again". Great idea, CNN. You are already trying to scare people. If people choose to live in a city that is at or below sea level, then that is the risk they take. You cannot stop mother nature folks; You can only get out of her way.


Pete Hoeft   August 28th, 2008 1:45 pm ET

Actually, the westward jaunt could be even more detrimental to New Orleans. Given the current predicted track in the center of the cone you provide, New Orleans would be on the east side of the eye of the storm; which is the worse side given the wind circulation. If the storm follows the current track, the circular winds will blow water into Lake Borgne, through the Rigolets into Lake Pontchartrain, increasing water levels there dramatically days prior to the storm. The storm surge would then be added on top of that, potentially causing more levee breaches.

It would be best if the storm either shifted dramatically west or east, but the current cone puts New Orleans on the bad side of the storm


rf   August 28th, 2008 1:57 pm ET

Let's see how many of the "village idiots" will stick around for this one....


Catherine   August 28th, 2008 1:59 pm ET

As resident of the Alabama Gulf Coast (yes, we're down here, too), I hope and pray Gustav does not become a tragedy we talk about for years to come. But come on, CNN and every other media outlet in the world: stop using the 3-year anniversary of Katrina to your advantage. All the talk about Gustav possibly (yes, POSSIBLY...it could go anywhere from Galveston to New Orleans to Biloxi to Mobile to Pensacola......) hitting NOLA is just a media scare tactic. I'll admit it makes me literally sick to my stomach to think of Gustav being another Katrina, but nobody knows yet. There are many different reliable models that are making different predictions. It could sit out in the Gulf for days and strengthen or it could go completely off track.

And please don't refer to us "Coasties" as "dumb primates." That is quite insultiing. You probably wouldn't be able to enjoy your cups of coffee, wooden products, and many other everyday items if it weren't for the Ports of New Orleans and Mobile, as they are quite important to the entire US.


Tim   August 28th, 2008 2:18 pm ET

New Orleans has been hit and severely damaged by hurricanes about every 21 years since it was founded in 1715. Katrina was not a one in a thousand year storm, it was a one in 21 year storm. Its a little early to tell what Gustav may do, the margin of error on the predictions of landfall is about 300 miles either way at this point, and the amount of strengtheneing is also uncertain. But its time to prepare if you live in NOLA, better prepared than stuck floating in a city that is below sea level, and sinking more every year.


Mark   August 28th, 2008 3:24 pm ET

If Gustav breaks through the levees and floods New Orleans I think it's time to rethink our attitude towards rebuilding. It may be time to abandon the levee system and let the sea retake the low-lying areas. As a nation we can't afford to keep rebuilding areas that we know will be destroyed again in the future. There comes a point where we have to stop trying to defeat nature and learn to live by her rules.


Franko   August 28th, 2008 3:52 pm ET

Katrina did not collapse tall buildings. Now, people know where to ride it out.
Stock up on food , water, and vine, guns to shoot the looters, read a few books.

Katrina was a trial run, Stratosphere cooling, New Orleans dooming ?


S Callahan   August 28th, 2008 5:39 pm ET

And you think I'm crazy? lol Love hearing from the Hurrican it's self (see above comment from Hurricane Gustav). That was a good one.
Seriously, not only will this likely be a devastating hit, but we also had a quake in Canada just as the Bible speaks of the quakes in the deep waters...and this is just beginning. I'm sure the weather persons see the changes becoming more dramatic as the years have go on and I'm sure this reporting will increase in numbers over at least the next three years. People call this Enviromentally realated..of course I would beg to differ to say it's more Spritually related. I pray the leaders of the affected areas prepare wisely.


Pam   August 28th, 2008 5:58 pm ET

New Orleans is a unique treasure of the United States. We continue to build levees along rivers that flood every couple of years to protect communities. Why wouldn't we protect a national treasure? The levee system needs to be completely overhauled using modern engineering skill, techniques, and systems. There is no place on earth that is not within reach of a natural disaster of some sort. The Mississippi Gulf coast lost innumerable national treasures. Our nation's cultural future is the poorer for it. For those of us staring these monsters in the face every year and currently staring Gustav down now, find some empathy and some national pride. We are all one people of one nation. "Those people" are our people, your people. We are making preparations as best we can with the resources we individually have. For the poor and infirm and elderly, it will be much too little, as during Katrina. And that will be a disgrace on us all.


Former Nolaresident   August 28th, 2008 6:57 pm ET

you think this is news? remember Ivan, remember Georges? big hullabaloo and nothing happened. All Gustav has to do is hit 50 miles east or west of NOLA and the impact can be lessened to nothing. i remember strolling around the neighborhood day Ivan hit; it was blue sky and very pretty.
this is all just media hyperdrive and post-katrina stressing out. If you use the 50 mile figure the chances are only 16% that NOLA will get any damage at all (50 miles of 300).
and for those of you who say good riddance- shame on you. this is a gorgeous city- take a look at it sometime!


RGF from NOLA   August 28th, 2008 7:03 pm ET

I really, really, really should not read these comments because it scares the daylights out of me to know how many idiots are out there – please, refrain from commenting on things you know little or nothing about....... and a little reminder – the levee system was not "breeched" or "blasted through by a storm surge" as many news agencies choose to report – the U.S.Corp of Engineer designed, constructed and supervised levee system was not built to specifications and FAILED.


William   August 28th, 2008 7:21 pm ET

Such negative stories, it's no wonder I don't care to read the news much anymore. Funny how miss-informed the media is!! Don't you know Katrina passed and was gone, people were starting to clean up debris when the levees broke? From the 9 th ward Eastward, was storm flooding. The rest was carelessness, human causes that flooded most of the city. Katrina only provided a receding storm surge. As well as those who wish destruction on the City of New Orleans, think, you may have your own disaster soon and you can be sure the folks in New Orleans will be sending Aid.


Franko   August 28th, 2008 7:44 pm ET

'God does not play dice', but New Orleans play Hurricane Russian Roulette.
Gamble brimstone, fire, water, wind, storm tidal swells, and lightning
God roulettes those who roulette themselves.

No matter amount of Research Grants. Cannot foretell, by the Roulette Prophets.
.


Seth Parker   August 28th, 2008 9:42 pm ET

I must be missing something here. If im looking at the tracking map with my 20/20 vision, and I am, New Orleans will be well east of where Gustav makes landfall. Gustav, if it sticks to the current model, will strick St. Mary's parish or Iberia Parish dead on and knock those communities into oblivion. Last time I checked Louisiana was more than just New Orleans and I dont like the fact that even though there are many towns not named New Orleans that will be affected, you morons decide to put New Orleans all over the front pages. Who cares about New Orleans, if anything New Orleans will be hit with some much needed rain to cool those hot temps down but other towns like St. Mark, Iberia, Vermillion and Terrebonne parishes may be devastated and La. being destroyed all over again. Last time I checked New Orleans isnt the only city in La. and any idiot with a good pair of eyes can see that New Orleans isnt about to be torn apart but other areas where PEOPLE live.


Doug   August 29th, 2008 8:14 am ET

What happened with Katrina was indeed a tragedy – not just for NOLA but for all the cities who took in refugees. Crime in my city is up since Katrina and several murders have been committed by the very people we took in and provided with aid and comfort. There were also several lessons that should have been learned, but apparently weren't: 1) get out when the evacuation orders are given, 2) the state of Louisiana and the Mayor of NOLA demontrated gross negligence by ignoring the federal governments early, pre storm offers for assistance, 3) It's a horrible idea to develop the US gulf coast in the manner that we've been doing for the last 50 years – yes we need the ports, but we don't need the luxury homes, hotels and casinos, 4) America will remain in crisis as long as individual citizens refuse to accept accountability for the decisions they make and the actions they take – if you build your house in a hurricane or flood prone area you'd better be able to afford to take the hits and you'd better educate yourself on flood insurance so that the rest of us who choose to live away from the coast can stop subsidizing the cost of your lifestyle through our home owners premiums. 5) Race had nothing to do with Katrina, yet the rest of the country was bombarded with that message by the racist mayor of NOLA – His behaviour was sickening and did not demonstrate real leadership in time of crisis, yet the citizens of NOLA re-elected the guy. God help us all.

We should never have rebuilt – no matter the so called cultural loss – most of NOLA was an improverished slum.


James, New Orleans   August 29th, 2008 8:31 am ET

To Tim and others, Katrina is not a once in a 1,000year storm because it hit New Orleans. Name the last Hurricane that was 960 miles accross, or one that destroyed the caost from Louisiana to Mobile Bay, Al. Katrina was so devistating because of its size, intensity and slow progrssion. That's why it was a Once in a 1,000year storm. Gustav is certainly slow enough, but no where near the size Katrina was. To compare storms like Gustav to Katrina is purly for shock value and money. That's the reason this is here on CNN now.


Alex   August 29th, 2008 3:39 pm ET

You don't need another Katrina size hurricane to devastate New Orleans, all you need is another category 3, 4 or 5 hurricane to hit New Orleans to cause the same kind of damage. The point is New Orleans is on average 7 feet below sea level, it's sinking, it has the largest river in the US running through it, a lake that sits to the north of it and the Gulf to it's south. THE PLACE IS GOING TO FLOOD. It's a certainty. Mother nature doesn't care about sentimental attachment to the land, she doesn't care that your family has been there for generations, and she certainly doesn't care if you have built levees. Rebuilding New Orleans will cost lots of money and as soon as the next hurricane hits it will cause the same catastrophic damage that Katrina did. So it is not irresponsible for CNN to post an article about Gustav being the next Katrina, because it is POSSIBLE. Maybe there's a 16% chance it hits New Orleans or maybe that chance is even lower, but eventually it will happen again. It could be this year, next year, 5, maybe even 20 or 30 years before it happens again, but it WILL happen. Instead of rebuilding and trying to "tame" mother nature let's be smart. Use our brains and come up with a real solution. How about instead of using taxpayer/relief funds to pay for a rebuild of New Orleans that we instead build homes for these people near Baton Rouge and help relocate them there? Everyone from politicians, to NO residents, to the general taxpayer needs to think long term (hundreds of years) not decades. All our current path is doing is wasting money, wasting time and most importantly wasting lives.


Franko   August 29th, 2008 4:06 pm ET

NOAA path prediction GIF shows a change, correcting towards New Orleans
CNN could do an animated GIF, of how NOAA prediction changes over time.

Now approaching Cuba, how will the path be land mass deflected ?


John   August 29th, 2008 4:20 pm ET

Doug:
Not everybody has the ability to load up the wife, kids, and dog into an SUV, top off the tank, and drive inland to a hotel that they can put on the charge card. There are actually poor people in this world, amazing I know, and they don't have any way of getting out of the way of a storm like this or like Katrina. And people who have nothing aren't going to have fricking flood insurance.

Additionally, if you want to use the ports of NOLA, you need people living there to work the ports. It is one of the highest volume ports in the entire world. Massive amounts of fuel are refined there, and massive amounts of oil go through that port.


Israel   August 29th, 2008 5:12 pm ET

I agree with John. Just think how much those ports will affect the US. We depend on those ports alot. They produce alot of oil. There is alot of poor people in NOLA like John stated. Not everyone is fortunate, regardless of what the outcome is, if and when Gustav hits, we have to rebuild again. Residents know thats the price they have to pay, but what can you do. Mother nature is always around and watching and waiting for the right moment to tear mankind apart. This is just the beginning and one of these days there will be two hurricanes that will collide with each other and create a massive hurricane on the gulf coast and yes that is possible.


Ashley   August 29th, 2008 5:40 pm ET

The Earth owns us.Whatever natural disaster it throws at us,we have to be ready.WE CANT DO A LOUSY JOB IN PREPARING FOR THE DISASTER AND THE AFTERMATH!!!I cant stress that enough.Now,looks like Gustav will be the new Katrina.Might hit New Orleans,or an area near it.Or it could turn towards the west.We can only wait.Three years since Katrina hit.Wow.So appearently New Orleans is ready.Unlike 3 years ago.Thanks American government.If the hurricane is a strong one, PLEASE evactuate New Orleans.I dont want any single human being in that city!!They should all be evactuated.Use buses,planes,trains to evacuate people that cant leave on their own because they cant afford it.I still want to know why Bush and his government took forever for aid to get to the people who needed it.Or why did Ray Nagin deny getting offered a train(s) to evacuate people?Why didnt they do anything!!!!??Aghh.In the immortal words of Ed Harris in the Apollo 13 movie"Failiure is not an option".It true.When it comes to disasters like this,failiure should never be an option.Who's idea was it to build New Orleans in a "bowl" anyways?Lets see,New Orleans,+ a strong hurricane+levees failing=one ,big,mess.Grr,well looks like now we wait.


Franko   August 29th, 2008 7:59 pm ET

Levees around a sinking ocean whole. Eventually neutral bouyancy ?
Change directions, not down, but up, giant sand mounds, hills, exclusive suburbs.

A hybrid run aground version of "The Atlantis Project"
Jazz Musicians can start a sandbag jazz club
Arabs can build a citiy into the water, US, now, the imagination challenged one.
FEMA has a fire chief's vision, needing unlimited financing


S Callahan   August 29th, 2008 11:16 pm ET

I am praying for the whole southern area that will be victim to this , and for God's mercy on everyone. This is no joke.

I like Franko's idea of doing an animation of the path..


Tatiana   August 29th, 2008 11:41 pm ET

you guys are so ignorant. i myself am IN new orleans and was BORN and RAISED here. i love this city. Also, those outside of louisiana only talk about new orleans being devestated because they are too dumb to know any other important city there is in this state. On the other hand, those of us IN new orleans reached out to every single parish and town outside of our own, knowing that we werent the only ones. So i think all of you should think before you speak because you guys have NOOOO idea what its like to go through what we went through here in the south – and the south is NOT only louisiana you fools. we are ready for whatever gustav may bring and if it means we are all here overreacting and taking every safety precaution – so be it. you have no idea what we went through down here.


Franko   August 30th, 2008 2:16 am ET

Ask, look for a while, and NOAA has it.
NOAA, not political like NASA climate swindlers.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2008/graphics/al07/loop_5W.shtml


S Callahan   August 30th, 2008 7:13 am ET

Just saw the update (Sat. am) , it's a Catagorey 3. Let's see if promises are kept with the Mayor and FMEA doing a complete evacuation of New Orleans.....hope so ..last known there were at least 59 dead in Jacmel, Haiti (may be greater now due to the mud slides). I just pray this storm shows mercy and does not go on a ripple through several states.


S Callahan   August 30th, 2008 7:17 am ET

ps , Franko excellent info (NOAA). Thanks.


eric   August 30th, 2008 9:43 am ET

I'm a ten year NAVY vet and will give credit where credit is due. The coast guard did a great job in Louisiana during Katrina, but why dont they ( the news) tell the real story of who was on theater first, which was Black water,,,,? then the Navy, then the coast guard.
I guess unless there is bad news and/ or negative press they are all over Black Water usa, however they won't give credit where it is due. WHAT A SHAME.....


Franko   August 30th, 2008 11:15 am ET

Katrina track

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/KATRINA_graphics.shtml

Gustav track

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2008/graphics/al07/loop_5W.shtml

The tidal swell, and other, comparisons ?


Mike   August 30th, 2008 2:41 pm ET

If New Orleans and its culture, history, port, and people are important to the United States, let’s bring in the Dutch to partner with the United States in building or modify levees so there is real protection for the city. The Dutch have a prove 2000 year track record in building dyke systems that hold back the powerful North Sea. They are not perfect but have an outstanding record considering the challenges they face. Approximately 27 % of the Netherland’s (Holland’s) territory is actually below sea level. Since the Netherlands is approximately the size of Connecticut and Massachusetts that 27% represents a tremendous amount of land. Approximately 9.4 million Dutch live in the area protected by dykes, dams, and flood gates. This is approximately 60% of the country’s population of 15.8 million people! The US Corps of Engineers, the State of Louisiana, the City of New Orleans, and the Orleans Levee Board, have not been able to build solid levee systems. Let’s not keep wasting federal resources if we value New Orleans. Let our country show courage, commitment, and leadership by reaching out and partnering with the Dutch who are the best there is at building dykes, dams, flood gates ,and in keeping reclaimed land dry. As someone who was born on the Mississippi Gulf Coast, visited New Orleans many times, traveled to the Netherlands on numerous occasions and stood on those dykes, I have no doubt our country can do the same for New Orleans. The city is a cultural treasure. Let’s protect it properly or let nature reclaim it.


bisallyouget   August 30th, 2008 6:44 pm ET

hmmm, three years ago i said mother wanted her coastline back. monday night into tuesday she's striking again.
for all the billions spent, when will the lightbulb turn on? let her have the coast back. whatever is left, move the buildings and build a new city fifty miles INLAND. duh


Father Time   August 30th, 2008 9:19 pm ET

Only have 4 lines to say for New Orleans:

Should old acquaintance be forgot,
and never brought to mind ?
Should old acquaintance be forgot,
and old lang syne....


Franko   August 30th, 2008 10:03 pm ET

"Dutch to partner with the United States in building or modify levees "

Old USA plans and methods have been tested to be dangerously unsafe.
Give free working holidays to Dutch Coastal panners and engineers.
Coffe Break, time off at a Jazz Club, invitation happily accepted ?
Insights from extreme Bangladesh Cyclone devastations.How are they planning ?

Too late, only time left to run. The tidal surge will another Atlantis make ?


S Callahan   August 30th, 2008 10:22 pm ET

Franko you say so much in so little words. :-)

Though I think we have some of the best engineers in the US, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get some insight from the Dutch as Mike suggested. How are they different ,sustaining longer, than New Orleans leeves? I pray it's not Atlantis..imagine that ! Lots of lives are again displaced and already economically strained, it would be tragic. At this point, I'm more concerned with the other states should this storm tilt a little off the presumed direction. I don't think this is going to be a kind storm at all. Hopefully, I pray, this wind doesn't hit the deepest of warm waters and the right places are evacuated.


Dulce Leon   August 30th, 2008 11:31 pm ET

I am watching the 1000's of people evacuating on the highways of New Orleans and all I can think about is "They are all going to run out of gas!" Has anyone (I mean Govenment) even thought about these people having to sit in a parking lot of a highway and having to fill up every 10 miles? Have any of the oil companies lowered their gas prices for these people? Are we or are we not Americans?


Franko   August 30th, 2008 11:32 pm ET

"Gustav, now near Cuba, may have equal or greater strength than
Katrina by the time it hits the Gulf coast next week." . . "NOAA Hurricane Hunters released 60 special buoys into the Gulf Of Mexico to measure subtle changes in ocean temperature"

Gustav, predicted to move faster, but through warmer water. Plus or minus ?

Not US Engineer talent problem, but political interfering is. Being limited in practice, only in imagination, can US engineers shine. 'Hollywood Madam' Heidi Fleiss: "Politicians are the biggest whores on earth. They'll change their opinion for any amount of money, you know."

Boy Scouts, be prepared, not Politicians, (Al Gored style), indoctrinated


Peyton   August 31st, 2008 6:05 am ET

How many times has the Netherlands been hit by a cat. 4 or 5 hurricane? I doubt their levees would fair any better than ours in the face of such opposition.

In the rest of the USA, when a major flood happens, the government usually won't allow rebuilding in the flood zone. I love NOLA, but we can't afford to keep rebuilding the same places every 21 years. Other people need help too.


Edmond Alexander Knowles   August 31st, 2008 10:54 am ET

No, this is not Katrina. Katrina was not the worst case scenario for New Orleans. Gustav is the worst case scenario. Katrina was just a warning,– that went unheeded. After Katrina, I thought that the government should have taken a few 100 billion dollars, given lots of money to people to relocate, condemned the ninth ward, and get some Dutch engineers over her and build a dike around New Orleans. For those who say we don't have the money, realize that we've been sending 10 billion a month to Iraq with no accountability (and they have a surplus from oil revenues, while we have the largest budget deficit in history). Ironically, the Iraq war is being financed by emergency appropriations - the type of funding usually reserved for things like, uh, hurricanes. 3 years after Katrina, people are still living in FEMA trailers in the woods, the levies are not completely rebuilt (not that 16 foot levies are effective against a 20 foot storm surge). All that can be done now is to get everyone out and watch the destruction. The only positive I can see is that George W. Bush will have an excuse not to attend the Republican Convention.


Franko   August 31st, 2008 11:11 am ET

"New Seismic Guide Specification Adopted for LRFD Design of
Highway Bridges". . ."use of a 1,000 year return period "
Location specific hazard estimation needed for New Orleans.

Looking at Wiki Galveston. Big sea wall, and raised elevation.
Couple more New Orleans disasters ? Enough is just too mutch.


Margaret Clark   August 31st, 2008 12:11 pm ET

I have a stupid question. Is there any way the army or NASA can blow up the storm with a mid-air bomb? Just thought I would ask. Margaret, Westfield, IN


David   August 31st, 2008 2:53 pm ET

It has been stated that colder temperatures have a direct effect on the force of this type of storm.

I was wondering if any research has been conducted on discharging chemicals (such as liquid nitrogen) into such a storm to see if we could at least lessen it’s strength.

There have been theories and discussions about disrupting major storms, but I don't know that any of them have ever gotten beyond the level of a pipe dream (or harebrained scheme). The US experimented with dropping silver iodide into hurricanes in the '60's. The American Meteorological Society held a conference on weather modification earlier this year. China tried cloud seeding to control the Olympics weather this year. By all accounts, though, this stuff doesn't work.

Peter Dykstra


S Callahan   August 31st, 2008 3:05 pm ET

I just read an article through CNN Health written by Andrea Kane....addressing the mental health concerns of the victims of Kartrina and now this storm.....a point was made that so much preparation was made for the physical but little is done for the mental well being of those affected. This to me, would say this is the next thing to tackle. But , leaving out the spiritual element of this would solve nothing. Scriputures are very clear God will use his powers through wind, land and sea to wake up the people. He is calling us, the question is, is anyone listening. I hope so.


Richard   August 31st, 2008 3:20 pm ET

hmmmmm... just wondering. Is this hurricane a possible answer from God for all those recent prayers for "rain on the DNC", though just a little late and instead (intentionally?) going to "rain on the party" for the RNC instead? LOL


Cathy   August 31st, 2008 4:21 pm ET

Richard/Michael Moore:

You are NOT funny and you obviously have never looked at a map of the US.
NOLA and MSP are nowhere near each other.
WTF does Gustav have to do with MSP?

Yes, God is having a good laugh at all the dead Haitians and Cubans just to play a little joke on Republicans.
God thinks it's hilarious that the poor people of the Gulf Coast, some of whom lost 90% of their belongings in Katrina, are about to lose the other 10% now.
God thinks it's hysterical when children are psychologically scarred for life and hide under a bed every time they hear thunder even though years have passed.


Franko   August 31st, 2008 4:56 pm ET

" NASA can blow up the storm with a mid-air bomb? "
Cold air falls into the hurricane borehole. Warm air rises outside.

Now, if you raise, with Atomic Bombs, the borehole temperature, pressure ?
Monkey wrench, into the well oiled printing press ?
Possible to split into smaller hurricanes ? Starve for energy, a while ?
Ocean heat has to escape (T^4). Eventually, leaky pressure cooker ?

50 megaton Communist Atomic blast, evaporated all he clouds in sight.
Fusion power developers have software to solve ? Please no Hansen NASA


Franko   August 31st, 2008 5:19 pm ET

"colder temperatures have a direct effect on the force of this type of storm."
Relevant is convection proportional to T^4. Heat engine efficiency 1-T2/T1
Reducing ocean temperature is for the far future, nuking Panatomic Canal.
Stratospheric Cooling, since measurements started. Nuke above to warm ?

Blow up the Simulated Hurricane. Pool cover the Gulf with Ocean city suburbs ?


Mrs. J. Samora   August 31st, 2008 6:06 pm ET

As the assistant director of Northwest Georgia Non-Profit Katrina Relief, I have to say that the mental well being of the victims is a relatively large issue that must not be put on the back burner.

During the aftermath of Katrina, thousands upon thousands passed through our doors. I had the blessing of meeting the vast majority individually. I have laughed, cried, listened and held them. The victims and their stories have left a lifetime of footprints in my memory as well as my heart.

My husband who also assisted through our home church with Katrina, has been in New Orleans attempting to help the restoration of the prior destruction. He has bonded with many people as I have.

I still volunteer in every way I can to help these beautiful people. There are many organizations within the New Orleans area that have helped with housing and mental health. I have visited several of these places. I know many that work there, as does my husband.

For the ones that may flee the devastation of Gustav, preparations are being made here as well as in New Orleans to assist in both states in every way that is available. There are times we can not depend on someone else (governmental red tape) to act as rapidly as the people need. I will be there, and here with my volunteer services as needed. When needed.

There is opportunity to help our neighbors here. Not only New Orleans but all along the beautiful gulf coast. I encourage all to show compassion and heart for people. There are bad people. There are people without morals who take advantage of situations. In kind of work my husband does, he has met some immoral people. During some of the background checks I had to run concerning funding, I met some fraudulent people as well.

The thing is, the vast majority are wonderful people. We can't let a few "bad apples" spoil the whole bunch. It is our duty to help others.

I will not do less than I would want done for me. As Pam stated earlier, we are one nation. I will be there. I will be with the people I love.

I also agree with S. Callahan that God will use His powers in whatever manner needed. We can not ignore what the bible states. The word of God is either all true, or it's all a lie. I choose to follow Him.

It has been an emotional hardship for our beautiful family to be split during this time. I am very familiar with emotional blows and suffering. The thing that keeps me strong, until we move, is the Word of God. I know that He has our family in His care. We keep the love strong!

There are people still emotionally suffering from the Katrina devastation. Even if you aren't a "counselor" reach out an be kind, you never know what one is going through, or has been through.
1 Corinthians 13:13 states.....and the greatest of all is love...

People of New Orleans and the entire gulf coast, my prayers are with you.


Franko   August 31st, 2008 7:01 pm ET

"I have laughed, cried, listened and held them."
Witnessing a car accident, people adrenalin elated, laugh, was not them.
Crying at the funeral finality ?


Mrs. J. Samora   August 31st, 2008 9:49 pm ET

Laughing was by no means meant disrepectful. These people were and for many still are hurting. But there were also children that needed smiles. There were events planned with them that brought laughter in their times of sorrow for the children as well as the parents, even if only for the moment. These are only a fraction of the memories I have. Sorry if I offended you or anyone else by that statement.


Franko   August 31st, 2008 11:02 pm ET

"Laughing was by no means meant disrepectful."
That is the psychoanalyst opinion also. Cannot judge, adrenalin, sorrow, fear, joy. Laughter, as you are getting over it. A good comedy film, end of the horror movies, scaring you. Laughter means you are in reality, not Bible judged, appropiate faith fantasy


stan   September 1st, 2008 1:02 am ET

David,

According to NOAA an 'average' hurricane dissipates power at the rate of about 600 TRILLION watts – 200 times the electrical power generating capacity of the entire world.

You aren't going to stop a hurricane by cooling it off with liquid nitrogen – not unless you stockpile a million years worth of LN2 and use it up on one tiny storm.

A note on Peter Dykstra's comment to David's post:

I have seen 2 different rationals behind China's attempt to use cloud seeding during the olympics :

Claims suggesting the clouds would have the rain 'dried' out so that there was no rain for the Olympics – not likely.

Claims that there was cloud seeding to encourage rain to wash atmospheric pollution out of the air just prior to the games – this actually can work. Cloud seeding is routinely used to wash fog from near airports and after Chernobyl cloud seeding was used to keep radioactive contamination from reaching Moscow (much to the detriment of the people of Belarus)


Bill Lumley   September 1st, 2008 7:39 am ET

I remember studying at the University of Waterloo (Canada) the unique situations of Galveston and New Orleans in Engineering Classes 34 years ago in 1974! At that time my professor talked about the lack of political will to initiate remedial action and that there was a distinct possibility that many people would die. Hopefully they have learned the lesson with Katrina... but the axe grinds slow in political circles


S Callahan   September 1st, 2008 12:05 pm ET

Franko,you have bashed every faith based thought offered through these blogs, if you don't agree that is your right but knock off your belittlement of other's opinions. Perhaps you can utilize some of the New Orleans mental health services enlightening you that sometimes you can be downright mean. And that is wrong.


Franko   September 1st, 2008 2:24 pm ET

S Callahan: You began, Faith interpreting. Children realize the truth in Fairy Tales.
Even Christ commented on being little children = Not Faith Closed Eyes.

Einstein said: Bible Childish.
When You can see, laugh at your Faith, Reality, You, God. No difference.


S Callahan   September 1st, 2008 2:50 pm ET

I will continue giving my faith perspective, maybe even you will be enlighten. But I won't be mean about it and would never demand you believe what I believe (your choice).
And you think Einstein was God? He was brillant , but even he had his faults and or failings...if he could only talk now....my understanding at least he acknowledged a Creator before his death...and it wasn't a pun.
I laugh plenty even finding alot of your comments witty...but dislike the ones with meanness.


Franko   September 1st, 2008 3:01 pm ET

Meannes, others interpreted, not intended.
Same universe, same laws, extreme interpretations.

Shiva of a laugh ?


Ashley   September 1st, 2008 5:47 pm ET

Bush doing something about a major U.S hurricane?Wow hell must have frozen over for that to happen.This hurricane does sound very Katrina like,thats obviously bad.Now there are 2 other storms in the Atlantic,Hurricane Hanna, and tropical storm Ike.Lets wait and see what those storms are going to do.I'am annoyed that i wont be able to see bush speak,i might have laughed at that convention,i wonder what crap he would have said.Lies.Thats it.Hopefully those leeves hold.Luckily most people left the area,but the people that stayed?I hope they'll be ok.


Franko   September 1st, 2008 10:10 pm ET

Watch Pallin video. She, not Obama, has environmental understanding.
No nonsense, not a change in direction – no time travel to EcoStoneAge.
Strength of character and reasoning, McCain, admire and cheer.

http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/08/sarah-palin-gop-vp-candidate.html

Galveston and New Orleans had similarities, but the tide of Galveston business moved on, New Orleans is still a business hub. Key is to secure public safety. Numerous, really safe, hide from the storm places. Otherwise, evacuation traffic deaths.

Spending more money, keeping welfare people below sea level ?
Welfare people vote to choose negative elevation ? A dyke from death ?


cim gfe   August 31st, 2010 12:02 pm ET

It was rather interesting for me to read the post. Thanx for it. I like such themes and anything connected to them. I would like to read a bit more soon.

Julia Benedict


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