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September 12, 2008

A hopeful crush on the LHC

Posted: 12:15 PM ET

It’s not every week we power up a machine and wonder about the speculations, however unwarranted, that a black hole will swallow the planet. On Wednesday morning, everyone was either utterly fascinated or fearful as the Large Hadron Collider, a $10 billion machine more expensive and powerful than any of its predecessors, started up for the first time.

The hall for the ATLAS detector at the Large Hadron Collider.

No wonder many science enthusiasts have a crush on the LHC, which has become a world-famous celebrity. Obviously, as an object of desire and supreme popularity, the LHC offers the best of both worlds: extreme money and extreme power. It’s also situated in a romantic location between Lake Geneva and the Jura Mountains.

More importantly, it will teach us new things about ourselves and our world. It can look deep inside us and find secrets we never knew existed. And it has the potential to generate black holes, though most scientists agree any of those little cosmic vacuum-cleaners would disappear in less than a second without doing any harm. Yet the doomsday rumors somehow make the LHC seem even more attractive and awe-inspiring. We fear what we love, and we love what we fear.

Among the potential perks of staying on top of the LHC's every move: a better understanding of matter. For instance, scientists think that the matter we know may only be a small percentage of what makes up the universe. Previous cosmological studies have inferred that most of the universe consists of invisible stuff called “dark matter” and “dark energy.” The NASA satellite WMAP has found that atoms make up only about 5 percent of the universe, while dark matter accounts for 23 percent and dark energy 72 percent. So, 95 percent of the stuff of the universe is invisible and completely mysterious. But our hero the LHC may be able to shed some light on that darkness.

Of course, this celebrity icon hasn’t made a commitment to find anything. There is always the chance that, after billions and billions of particle collisions, nothing turns up.

So now that the big start-up is over, we are left wondering, what now? For sure, we have the first attempt at colliding two beams, and the operation of the collider at unbelievable energy levels, to expect in the coming year. But will the LHC come through for us, or will it leave us broken-hearted, lost in a world we barely understand?

With thousands of brilliant scientists from around the world working on this, there's hope that all of the heartache and waiting is worth it. What do you think?

–Elizabeth Landau, Writer/Producer, CNN.com

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VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY SCARED TEENAGER!!!!!1   September 14th, 2008 11:55 am ET

hey nyonben are you serious
or are you just kidding i am very scared and do not want to be eaten up by a black hole please tell me the truth about this and please tell me if this really hapened or you were just trying to scare ppl??? please tell me truth i would like to know.


chai   September 14th, 2008 1:58 pm ET

I am extremely excited about the LHC and the experiments! Think about it, Higgs boson, antimatter, different dimensions! How much better does it get!!!!
And scott.... I am too excited that it will exclude god and religion

Please people, don't bore us with this foolish religious talk.

to the uneducated,
(I will try to as simple as I can)
I'm sad you are satisfied with ignorance.
It also saddens me that humanity limits their intellect. The fact that YOU don't understand something doesn't mean it cannot be proven by someone with a tad more education, or that in the future, when science advances it will be proven. I don't know if you've noticed, with the LHC and all, how science advances day by day. Why is it that these religions are stuck in the past?


Rudi Merom   September 14th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

The Danger is that our science and technology is advancing faster then our spirituality and morality, we have to increase our positive spirituality and then science can be great.


Franko   September 14th, 2008 2:11 pm ET

Do not Black Hole or Strangelet Spagetty worry
The universe, our home , just a big black hole.
The microwaves in the background, garburator recycling.
The souls of the nonbeliewers, beyond our event horizon.


Marc Weyl   September 14th, 2008 2:33 pm ET

What practical use? Hmm ... well basic research has lead to most of whatever you are using in your house and work today. Maybe we will get flying cars after we learn more about what controls gravity. A few electrically charged black holes would solve the energy and waste disposal issues at the same time.

Those on the far right don't like the thing because they get all there answers from the book, the far left has problems because the don't know any more about science and are afraid we are going to get sucked down a black hole. Cosmic Rays is the Earth with at least 10,000 times more power then the LHC can come up with...so that isn't an issue.

What if Flemming had thrown his mold away? Talk about a good return on some basic research! Smaller versions of this device are used to kill Cancer. Medical Proton Therapy are a spinoff of this sort of stuff.

Your hard drive that can hold billions of pages and still fit in a lap top is a result of fundamental physics research.

Heck the web was invented by CERN (home of the LHC).

No weapons at CERN ... take the tour and see for yourself!


S Callahan   September 14th, 2008 2:53 pm ET

People are very concerned with LHC (CERN?)....
Noybeam are you one of the hackers to the LHC? How would you know that information to be true? I think our greater concern is for October. We will see. It's a shame so many Scientist disregard the implications of this and other things going on without much public insight.

Scriputres tells us the earth will pass away and a new one will be established.. All his words are true and you will see that for yourself over the next few years. It just amazes me so many people just disregard God's word, or make nasty comments, because someone cares enough for your soul. May you find your peace with God and know you are in his care.


peteg   September 14th, 2008 3:35 pm ET

"There is always the chance that, after billions and billions of particle collisions, nothing turns up."

wrong

at the energies that this collider will operate at – something is bound to 'turn up.'


Josh V   September 14th, 2008 4:43 pm ET

Science and Religion do not mix at all due to the fact that every time we make a leap foward in science, it crushes some facet of a religious belief. Eventually science will advance to the point where it can explain away the need for a supreme creator, which will drive religious zealots nuts. It will force them to face the fact that mankind is responsible for its own actions, and that scares the hell out of them.


Bryan C.   September 14th, 2008 7:20 pm ET

I think this project is awe inspiring and will reveal some amazing discoveries and some new questions arise, my only concern is that someone will think of a way to turn some aspect of this into some type of weapon. such as when we first learned in the early 20th century that atoms could actually be split, now we have nuclear bombs with radioactive fallout, what next? portable black holes?


Jim   September 14th, 2008 9:49 pm ET

Those who wonder why some of us don't think creationists theories should be given any credence do not understand the difference between science and mythology. If you look for proof of your theory and reject everything that doesn't confirm you theory it is not science. Science is always willing (ultimately) to change the theory if the evidence does not support the original theory.


Sebastian   September 14th, 2008 10:04 pm ET

The LHC is one of the biggest experiments mankind ever made. The article is written in a way which just makes me angry, as a scientist and as someone who can actually think a little bit. The US spends 500 billion per year on weapons and military...so I ask myself...how stupid is that...of course...the US has to protect itself from all the terrorist and evil people in the world who are just jealous about the “freedom” of greatest country of all.
If the rest of the people in the US and in the world would be as reasonable as those scientist who spend there life on making the world a better place, we would be much better off. And the author of that article should write about “tea time” and “how to make pancakes”, but please don’t let her write about science ever again!!!!

Thanks Sebastian!! Spoken in the open-minded spirit of science!! (Note: This is sarcasm....)


Sebastian   September 14th, 2008 10:09 pm ET

oh and for you S Callahan:

looooooooooooooooooooool....are you really believing this...thats just sad.

oh boy🙂.


Robert Bland   September 14th, 2008 10:10 pm ET

I am neither an ignoramus nor a Luddite, but I believe the LHC is largely a waste of money. I suspect that what it will accomplish is to raise more questions that cannot be answered in a kind of infinite regress. It is easy to say that at the time of discovery, most scientific advances were of little recognized practical importance, but particle physics has reached such a rarified state that it often seems more like a kind of bad metaphysics than true science. To be sure, we shold continue to pursue these questions, but should society be footing the bill for an endless metaphysical pursuit when other pressing concerns call for our attention.


RSM   September 14th, 2008 10:14 pm ET

The outcome of the CERN LHC will be that a larger collider will have to built. Onward, large science.


inofritzn   September 15th, 2008 12:11 am ET

ROFLMAO @ religion!!!!


George   September 15th, 2008 12:21 am ET

How safe is the LHC that it was already hacked?


Franko   September 15th, 2008 12:40 am ET

If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it - Albert Einstein
So many theories. but need to see, how the costumes actually fit the clown.
Debate the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin, endlessly,
Better is to look with a microscope, than quote ancient text, hope the best

Theoreticians disagreeing, wondering off, need the referee of reality
Better sooner, than the reality of the blast, from an Alien Hyper Collider.


Amset   September 15th, 2008 2:01 am ET

I agree that the LHC is an exciting scientific venture, even more so if it happens to uncover some of the mystery of the universe. About the creating black holes and the end of the world... I do believe several scientists have stated the natural conditions on the Earth have already done what the LHC intends to do, the only difference being that the LHC collisions will be controlled, observable, and therefore informative. However, equating this whole project to some romantic interlude seems rather odd, especially when you are throwing the possibility of the end of the world in the mix. Sure, the overall goal has a romantic appeal I suppose. The scientists involved in making this happen, I have no doubt, are completely devoted and in love with this project. You'd have to be to commit so much time and effort to something that only has a chance of revealing something new. This experiment is about one thing, trying to find more answers, whether through predicted outcomes or lack of verifiable evidence. That passion is for the pursuit of one thing, the truth. This is not Shakespeare. This is art of another kind, and it's just as beautiful as any other form. Romantic or not, the pursuit of the truth will continue...


Scott   September 15th, 2008 2:26 am ET

LHC, is a waste of money., We humans need more money, then a company smashing it atoms. Even if they do find something, 95 percent of the population, doesnt care.

About the dooms day issue.....Nothing was going to happen anyway, when they turned it on....If anything, smashing atoms, when they start will cause unfound effects..... Just like doctors, they bury their mistakes....The scientists dont care, if they are wrong about doomsday issues. If something does happen to the earth, nobody will be around to have them stand trail for their crime of murdering over billion people.


Vince   September 15th, 2008 3:04 am ET

Man made God more than God made man.

And everything in this world, we have made. The trees, the food we eat... very little actually still exists that is "natural."

This is our chance to bring the world back to its natural state, when we were all ourselves part of a cosmic rubble...


Mark   September 15th, 2008 6:17 am ET

waste of time 100% sure they wont find anything that other projects like this have already found out and a huge waste of money.

Anyone feel like taking a bet that in 20 years this thing will have done nothing to change how our every day lifes work?


William Of Occam   September 15th, 2008 7:56 am ET

"Never posit plurality without necessity" Now that we have a machine that might give us a chance to look at the stuff of Gods maybe we can find out if it, the stuff, is of Gods or not. Though I really don't think it will make a difference to the believers. That's unfortunate.


Diane Jones   September 15th, 2008 7:57 am ET

To: Eric in SD

"Before God we are all equally wise – and equally foolish." –Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

Religion and science are not mutually exclusive. A believer who rejects science and a scientist who rejects belief are both closed minded.


William Of Occam   September 15th, 2008 8:59 am ET

Religion is superstition. Reality is merely an agreement.


Ron H   September 15th, 2008 9:34 am ET

If man wasn't meant to question, explore, and attempt to understand then our 'intelligence' is surely wasted.

Knowledge and truth are only possible if we are open minded to all possibilities and are willing to do the hard work that is necessary to uncover those truths (no matter how controversial they may be).

The LHC is worth the monetary cost. Just like the moon mission in the 60's, the value returned in knowledge and technological innovations far exceeded the cost.

Rock on and full speed ahead LHC team.


mickey lane   September 15th, 2008 10:00 am ET

'I don't know much about biology...' but I love all that is going on with research & right now the LDC. I enjoy all the info re it. You'll watch the youtube video? If only I was young AND the 'BIG GUY' had endowed my gray matter I'd be studying physics right now.


kltx   September 15th, 2008 10:04 am ET

I guess that when science education is as poor as it is in this country, some of this uneducated drivel are the kind of comments one might expect to hear. To actually think that this experiment is a waste of money ignores that scientific advancement is what drives technological advancement. To think this is a bad thing is a naive and ignorant point of view. And concerning disasters, I would be more concerned about real dangers such as hurricanes, which often tend to be quite a bit more expensive than the LHC.


William Of Occam   September 15th, 2008 12:25 pm ET

kltx, well put!! Not to mention that the ultimate end of scientific endeavor could in all probability be the salvation of humankind. If the mighty herd would only listen to the voices of reason. Alas, our deviant culture has been deafened by porcine consumerism.


Waiting   September 15th, 2008 1:04 pm ET

I find this very interesting and exciting. I do wonder for those who do believe in the end times if this could be the perfect explanation for the rapture of the church. Just an observation.


Franko   September 15th, 2008 2:06 pm ET

The scientists were spinning the gears between their ears for over 20 years.
Traction to reality is needed, otherwise, more not proven, like the Bible.
You have to smash the coconuts to kill the knowledge hunger.


Bill   September 15th, 2008 3:22 pm ET

There is no question in my mind that these scientists will make some amazing disvoveries. The scientists of the past and present have an eerie ability to see deeply into the unseeable. I'm not an academic but these fields have always fascinated me. Eight billion dollars is a big expenditure but I believe it wiil prove to be worth every cent.


Tho Huynh   September 15th, 2008 11:35 pm ET

It is a reason why I can say the LHP (Large Hadron Collider,” or LHC, the device is 27 kilometers (16.7 miles) long and resides in a tunnel approximately 100 meters beneath the Franco-Swiss border, just outside of Geneva)would discover many different Bosons (or what ever particle that you called), because the changes of Spaces due to Dual Spaces Dynamics will lead to different forms of Bosons, then there are too many of Bosons you wish to discover, then the question is “which Boson do you want?”- I have fun to wait for results from LHC in July, and then I will say “I have said so!”; even though, I know they are wasting time and money for something is not there, even if they are going to make LHC with 59 miles (or even with 100 miles or even 10,000 miles) like the one American has given it up in Texas decades ago, the result will be the same, and nothing will happen as they expected-80 countries, cost more than 6,000,000,000.00USD, but results are trivial, so much money involved, the results are not much, and so many particles, then no result will be the answer-the larger you build the more trivial will become because of Space Alteration Dynamics.
LHC might become the biggest fool and (or) con in history of science or history of mankind.
It likes “the Earth is flat” that millions of people believed before, then many centuries later they realize it is not the Truth of the Earth; it is a classic example of wrong thing that millions of people believe in it is a still a wrong thing.
Remember American Scientists have tried with their own Super Collider 59 miles circumstance in Texas, but American Scientists cannot be sure about the energy they can generate to make it through, because the energy might be up to 100,000,000,000,000.00 watts to make the collide should happen the way they expect . . . then the LHC expect to happen with 16.7 miles with a lot of less energy. . . ; obviously, the answer is NO. If LHC expect to succeed with 16.7 miles, then Fermi Lab would have been done with 7 miles already, but it is not the case!!! Therefore, I can tell the LHC has wishful thinking!
Besides, Quantum Time got to be there; without the Quantum Time, the LHC is just another false of Technologies!-Explanation:
1) If you cut bread into slices, then the slices of the bread will have different Quantum time to the bread as a loath, now try it with smaller and smaller to the level of Particles. . .This example would give some visions of differences between Regular Time (24 Hours Time) and Quantum Time functions.
2) Just like Dual Space Dynamics, Quantum Time play an important role in the process of Physical Matter; especially at the levels of Particles-it is why a photon get through slits could imprint 2 dots on the screen. . .
3) It is even worse to LHC that they cannot even understand Quantum time yet! What they are doing now with LHC it is just like they put the cart before the Horse, and yet they did not even know TIME DOES NOT EXIST! It is even more difficult to understand such a Time at the end- that might put particle too fast for Human Equipment to catch it at the end or at beginning!
4) In addition, the laws of Space Limits have been unknown to our world yet! Unfortunately, it will playing a big role in LHC experiments
5) LHC cannot replay the BIG BANG event of the Universe; it is impossible for LHC reinvent the Big Bang, because the Dynamics of the two are totally difference! ! !


Franko   September 16th, 2008 4:19 am ET

Everyone has theory. Universe is self consistent (God only miracles laws locally to protect the faithful). Not yet in theory described accurately. If we can find the right one, no more Nobel Prizes. Steve Hawkins, the Black Hole theorist might get one, guessed 1% chance Black Hole found at LHC energy level. Not betting he will get the Nobel Prize, but placed $100 bet, God particle will not be found !

If God not found, we need bigger extra hyper refined theories and colliders.
God hounds, yelping, newer able corner, chase God up an Olive tree ?


William Of Occam   September 16th, 2008 6:35 am ET

Holy Toledo they're coming out of the woodwork. Why can't the moderators screen the ravings of screwballs. The consumation of all science is located at LHC. So much hard work by generations of so many brilliant minds totally ignored by idiots. THE LHC IS THE NEXT STEP in human understanding of what is beyond the wall of the big bang. Not that the answer what, will give us the answer for why. I doubt we will ever know why. Our puny human minds cannot comprehend the magnitude of the why.


Franko   September 16th, 2008 7:05 am ET

"understanding of what is beyond the wall of the big bang"
We might be living inside a Little Bang, other Bangs beyond horizon, somehow, to us connected ? Dark energy, dark matter, very slightly, but importantly, influencing ?


RNI   September 16th, 2008 2:43 pm ET

The "why" doesnt matter Iguess. We are who we are! Excerpt from movie "BREACH"


Franko   September 17th, 2008 1:51 am ET

Self evident is, God is Dead. Could not save His Son, Christ, because God is Dead. Christ, the offspring Half-God is Dead. Greek Gods are Dead. Shiva the Destroyer God, missing in action, added. And the list goes on and on. In the Universe of dead Gods we are. Recyclers of Gods, in a field pushing magic God Daisies. That is the Purpose, Faith in Our existance.

Advertising for the LHC hyper-drive-exaggerated, succesful, God funded.


Steven   September 17th, 2008 3:19 pm ET

The best thing the LHC could discover is the confirmation of the absence of a god or any gods – then we wouldn't have to hear the nonsense from all these religious wackos.


Larian LeQuella   September 17th, 2008 3:47 pm ET

This is from a blog I posted in my local paper. Don't be a bunch of rubes...

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

Even that website says we're all still here! Hmm, it's on the internets, so it must be true, right? Okay, here is my attempted layman's explanation for why we are still here, and why we will continue to be here, no matter what they do at LHC.

FIRST OF ALL, no particles collided in this test. All the protons that were injected into the LHC were all going the same way. This is just a test. Had it been the end of the world, the above website would have let you know.

Now, assuming that particles are smashed together, which will happen in the future, I bet the above website will continue to display "Nope" for a long time coming. Why? Well, there are three (well really two, but snoopygirl mentioned one that was just too hilarious to ignore) primary concerns, and I hope to address them.

Black Holes: Black holes are naturally formed by gargantuan stellar masses collapsing in on themselves and overcoming all nuclear forces through gravity. In the case of the LHC, there is math that gives the possibility of subatomic particles colliding with enough ENERGY to create subatomic particle sized black holes. HOWEVER, given the amount of mass involved, these black holes would be so small that Hawking Radiation would cause them to nearly instantaneously evaporate. The neat trick here is that the math that predicts the possibility of their appearance, is the same math that assures their evaporation. Kinda neat that! Furthermore, these black holes are sooooo small, that they have only an infinitesimal chance to even react with anything! As I once said, an atom is 99.999999999999999% empty space. So even IF said black hole encountered a particle, gobbled it up, and somehow grew, it would still be so small that Hawking Radiation would have it evaporate nearly instantaneously anyway. (But wait, it just gained mass and is near an atom! It's going to get more particles! Actually no, the resulting surrounding charge would drive the black hole away from the source of said matter, driving it towards another area of the atom, thus giving it time to evaporate.)

Strangelets: Okay, these are a bit more tricky. There are theories on the fringe of particle physics that thinks that if enough "strange" quarks are bound together, it creates a state of matter that is highly energetic and unstable. Now, the problem here is that anything with a strange quark decays rather quickly (in particle physics scales) via weak interaction. In order for them to be stable, some rather fantastic events need to occur. Delving into the math of all this, the energies from the LHC AND Cosmic rays are relatively equal. So, if the LHC is about to create strangelets, then cosmic rays can also create strangelets. Well, since the planet has been around for billions of years, the safe bet is to say that these energy levels have no chance to produce strangelets, and we'll continue to be around. Just to be sure, check the website!

I do find it funny that you'll accept a strangelet, which has no empirical evidence, but evolution, with mountains of evidence is continually denied... Just a curiosity!

Other Dimensions: Okay, this one cracked me up. What particle physicists are talking about here are higher order dimensions. Not alternate planes of existence. According to theory (which we're trying to empirically test), these dimensions are small. So frightfully small that they are unobservable without the LHC. If anything were "living" in those dimensions, they would most likely be killed by the nearest passing electron (comedy if you can get it). Since these dimensions are already here (according to theory) all around us, seeing evidence of them should have no effect what so ever on them after we know they are there as opposed to before when we didn't know they were there.

If you are actually interested in REAL science, I am always available to talk about it. If you want to read up more about things, I suggest the Bad Astronomy blog. Dr Phil Plait is a funny and engaging writer.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/


Pierre F.Lherisson   September 18th, 2008 12:31 am ET

The LHC experiment will upgrade our current understanding of science and the universe. It will fathom the fundamental laws of the universe or even the multiverse.

If and only if the experiment is successful,scientists might discover how to manipulate the subatomic particles for the benefit of mankind. Physicists might be able to find out what happened to antimatter since matter and anti matter were in equal amount during the big bang. Scientist might be able to figure out why dark matter and dark energy constitute 96% of the universe.

We might be able to discover immortality. We might be able to travel throughout the galaxies.

Even if the experiment fails,it might leads to some significant serendipitous discoveries.

True, prudence is the mother of safety but sometimes prudence hampers progress. Even with an educated guess, it is not easy to predict the future or the probable outcome of events .

We should also anticipate the worst case scenario since scientists are tampering with natural forces that they don't understand. We are risking the annihilation of the planet. This might be the case of the sorcerer's apprentice.


Frank Dusome   September 18th, 2008 10:40 am ET

This is a recent letter I sent to a scientist at one of Toronto's top Univeristies:

Dr. Wendy Taylor
Physics Department
York University, Toronto
Ontario, Canada

Dear Dr. Taylor,

It is my understanding that you will be invloved in the study and manufacture of redout electronics for the Large Hadron Collider at CERN for future, even more powerful proton collision experiments. I have written many letters to different Government officials asking about Canada's involvement in this experimentation.

I am a deeply concerned citizen. My concern is in the great potential risks involved in particle collider experimentation, especially those relating to the Large Hadron Collider at CERN. This could be potentially catastrophic research. I have done an extreme amount of research myself on the subject and have some science background, although I do not claim to completely understand quantum or molecular physics. The scientists involved seem to be slpit on the potential hazards according to their theories and even Einstein's theories show that there are risks.

Even if the risks are extremely low, is it not our obligation to study this further to be sure it is absolutely safe for mankind? The unknowns are great and even the scientists involved don't know for sure what could happen once these protons collide.

Can you shed some light on this for me? Time is running out. They are soon planning to collide these proton particles. Two beams of protons travelling at opposite directions, each travelling at near the speed of light and gaining huge mass as they reach these speeds. Thousands of protons if I'm not mistaken? The scientists say this happens in our upper atmosphere, but to me it sounds like they are creating the perfect conditions for this to occur in the LHC. Nature is not perfect and I find it hard to believe that these exact conditions occur around us already with naturaly occuring protons travelling at these speeds. Let alone so close to the population.

From what I've reasearched and what the scientist are saying at this point in time, I am fully opposed to this experimentation until we know much, much more. Experiments go wrong. You would know that as a scientist. Can we afford such a catastrophic experiment to go wrong? You as a scientist of physics and others like you need to do more study on this before colliding the building blocks of matter. Just think of the job security!

Respecfully Yours,
An extremely concerned citizen and father of six,
Mr. Frank Dusome
Victoria Harbour, Ontario

I found this interesting website on the subject, http://www.LHCdefense.org
Are we going too far?


Nicole   September 18th, 2008 12:05 pm ET

This experiement is possible one of the most importabt experiements in our history.....it could uncover so many things that woujld explain the most important of questions: "Who are we and what is the meaning of all this."

Ted, Aaron, physics student, chai, Chris, Ryan, Invader Zim, Erik in Sd, Adam Sheherdson, David, Matt and the ATLAS physicist – you give me hope for a further evolved humanity....people who post these ignorant comments without doing their own research and taking the word of the media are foolish and close minded. Maybe those people should do a little research before they make themselves looks like morons.

Thinkaboutit, Wally, S. Callahan and Donna Borelli – I dont even have to comment on your ignorance and lunacy.....you speak for yourself.


Franko   September 18th, 2008 1:36 pm ET

Next time you eat a supersized event, be afraid, hyper afraid.
Newer happened, exactly the same, in our event horizon.
Coupled to other event horizons, via hidden secret dimensions,
God particles, to be let loose, in the trap door, under your floor.

God will change the processes in the Universe, to protect God's new pet.
The next supersized sound, not a burp, but the sound of an mplosion,
Thunder of a dunderhead, sucked into a special Black Mini Cow Hole.


James in Nebraska   September 18th, 2008 5:28 pm ET

Once this fear passes, it will be on to Nibiru approaching around 2012. There is always some disaster waiting to happen that brings out those who are afraid of everything. Some of these people make me nervous in the fact that they can reproduce. I'm sorry, but lighten up people.

Of course, there are some of these that are just trolls. They're will always be them.


Franko   September 18th, 2008 7:08 pm ET

No one knows how to blow up Nibiru. Not ewen in theory.
After new particles found, will a theory provide a design to end Nibiru ?


Deli   September 19th, 2008 11:48 am ET

Let's kill all scientists and climb back to tree. If we never would have climbed down from tree everything would be perfect and there would be bananas for all.


Big Foot   September 20th, 2008 12:27 pm ET

According to the MWI interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, if we're still around after the LHC starts up, then we should al mourn the loss of our doubles on the parallel Earth. (Apologies to Everett & DeWitt.)


Franko   September 20th, 2008 8:00 pm ET

"Quantum Mechanics was born out of a series of experiments whose results even today have no satisfactory explanation"

More results needed, not just multitude universes, that exist in theory only.
There has to be interaction, outside, not just inside the imagination.
Collisions to probe what is outside normal, predictable obserwables.
Black matter, dark energy, just cosmological fudge factors ?
Black Holes, suspected, not directly prowed, or obserwed
A tiny Quantum window to the cosmology, universe of our existance ?


Erk, OK   September 20th, 2008 10:10 pm ET

with all the religiousness on here, i find it funny how all these christians and religious zealots are bashing this thing as it may bring about the book of revelations....why i find it funny is they should be excited, they get to go 'home' right? I mean my understanding of their religion is they get raptured before the end anyway, so what is there to fear really? This is a science experiment, nothing more nothing less. No need to fear, and there's so much to learn from something like this. If we do find the answers, we'll have fewer questions. I personally like the fact I wasn't consulted in firing the LHC up because I know very little about it but based on what I've been reading, I genuinely feel there's no threat to us.


Franko   September 21st, 2008 5:06 pm ET

"I genuinely feel there’s no threat to us."

Standing still is the danger, as stampede of events stomp us to death.
The collider promotion is prompting reason to look at the hidden fears.
Seweral years at 14 TeV then a race to build a 100 TeV ?


Zeppo   September 21st, 2008 10:36 pm ET

What if this is how every black hole in the universe was created?


Franko   September 22nd, 2008 12:14 am ET

""What if this is how every black hole in the universe was created?"

Black holes are only theory predicted, unknown inside, predicted to evaporate, not observation confirmed (something small, extreme gravity calculated from observation). Concept is the event horizon.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/end.html

We know for shure ,100% not the end, if laws are universe consistent.
No one can prove, if God observing, sees 2 headed pink elephant stomping on blue mouse, miracle zaps only the blaspheming color planet to hole black heaven or hell. We are safe if we kill all blue mice ?


stan   September 22nd, 2008 12:17 am ET

I have one question for all of the religious nutters posting on this story. If god is all powerful and all that jazz, then why take opposition to ANYTHING that happens in this world? Be it evolution, the LHC destroying the universe, abortion, porn, or bad hair days?

I mean, if god let it happen, then surely isnt the hapening obviously part of 'his plan'?


Darth Bush   September 24th, 2008 2:00 pm ET

Should have bought a new aircraft carrier with the money and attacked some random country.

Thanks Darth Bush - the newest US carrier cost only $4.5 billion, and it's got the same last name as you: The USS George HW Bush. PD


New Begining   September 24th, 2008 2:08 pm ET

OH NO!

We have been caught building a doomsday machine.

It will start a black hole and suck up all the Creationists.

Those that are left can get back to making war as God intended!


Franko   September 24th, 2008 3:30 pm ET

Only God particle can creatively, FaithArtistically, MiracleLocally.
Those without Faith, will just have to do with the regular universal laws.


Franko   September 26th, 2008 5:28 am ET

Stargate to Niburu, is the real purpose of the Large Hadron Collider.
Satan, antiChrist, Nepharin, HellGate, you thought Pandora's Box was bad ?

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt1Yo610lG0&w=640&h=390]


Jason   September 26th, 2008 1:48 pm ET

People ask what is the point of these giants machines. Well we got the INTERNET from them, MRI machines, PET scanners (PET scaners use ANTI-MATTER that is cool). The US should have built the SSC back in the 90's that would have been a mammoth 100km ring, nearly 4 times the size of the LHC. If we know how the universe works than we know how to manipulate it or control it. Imagine FTL travel, or wormholes to other galaxies. WOW


johnell deloach   September 27th, 2008 9:44 pm ET

isn't there something more important to discuss than a machine built like a black hole


david miscavige   October 28th, 2008 7:30 pm ET

"i’m just excited that this will further exclude god and religion from conversation."

haha. typically narrowminded atheism at its best.

pull your head out of your arse scott. it may answer those questions with even more questions, you ever think of that?


andrew   December 16th, 2008 3:05 pm ET

Rember the 1st law of themodynamics "mater (or energy) can nethier be created of destroy only transfered from one form to another"


GUNSMOKE   July 31st, 2009 12:48 am ET

MY ADVICE TO EVERY BIG BANG THEORY FOLLOWER IS TO KEEP IN MIND THAT SUCH IDEA STARTED AS A MERE SUGGESTION AND IT DOESN'T HOLD A FOUNDATION OR PROOF THAT ONE SINGLE BIG BANG DID REALLY EXISTED – PERHAPS – MULTIPLE BANGS FROM ONE TIME TO ANOTHER. TRUTH IS NO ONE KNOWS A DAMN THING UNLESS THEY WERE THERE TO WITNESS SUCH EVENT. TIME WILL TELL WHEN THE MOST EXPENSIVE PARTICLE COLLIDER WILL SOME DAY BE DISMANTLED ONCE WE'VE LEARNED ALL THAT WAS NOTHING BUT A PIGMENT OF SOME BALDHEADED MEN'S IMAGINATION.


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