Wild… just wild…

The thought of creating a black hole is overwhelming… just amazing really. I hope we make some breakthoughs… maybe better understand the universe… but more than likely it will take centuries to get to the bottom of those questions.

Very cool though… and if a black hole does appear and swallow the Earth, planets and our sun… well… what a grand way to go… and without a trace… other than maybe some satilite from the 70s that’s far enough out of the pull… there would be no evidence humans ever existed.

Or we pop out on the other side and find Elvis, Jimmy, Janice, Dean, etc… big party!

i’m just excited that this will further exclude god and religion from conversation.

I am excited about the LHC and the possible scientific breakthroughs that it could lead to. The possibility of a “doomsday” catastrophe that some people are worried about seems to be almost non-existent. The rewards definitely outway the risk.

everyone out there do you think that there will actually be a black hole the sucks us all in and also how long is this experiment going to last weeks, months, a year or years. please tell me so that i know exactally how long to worry. and when in this experiment is there the greatest chance of a black home forming please answer back.

- concerned teenager

Very cool indeed, if we find the particle that mass is associated with, then perhaps we are able to travel to other places in just years rather then hundreds of thousands of years. Since mass doubbles as you approach the speed of light, thus the need for more fuel, which will also doubble. A vicious circle that Einstein pointed out!
Since earth is doombed anyway in about 2-3 billion years when our suns starts to expand!
This is a search for technology to save humanity rather then sit back and hope some dude on a cloud somewhere is going to save us!
kudo’s

They better invent something cool from all of the time and investment made. I want a time machine or some button that I can press that will beam me from this crappy desk job to paradise on a beach. hehe

This article is poorly researched, and the author demonstrates ignorance of the material.

The safety of the LHC has been discussed publicly in easily Googled resources. Collisions at energies far exceeding the LHCs maximum occur with regularity in the atmosphere, and no apocalypse has occurred. This largely renders the arguments against activation toothless.

The high energy events feared by those opposed to the LHC will not happen for months.

Is this the best journalism has to offer?

It’s amazing that people attach such religious significance to these things that man has made. Ms. Landau’s comment for example: “More importantly, it will teach us new things about ourselves and our world. It alone can look deep inside us and find secrets we never knew existed.” Then, in other articles about this very cool machine, I’ve read comments about how this will re-create the Big Bang, etc. Interesting that many DESIGNERS are required to build these colliders, yet so many of the scientists will deny a Creator, preferring the falsehoods of random processes. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1). Let us continue to search out all the wisdom and power of God in this marvelous world, using all the technological know-how we can come up with! I hope they discover many more new particles. But, know that it is the Lord who looks deep inside us and knows all the secrets of our hearts, whether good or evil.

The cool thing about the LHC is that it is guaranteed to discover something new. Even if it just discovers the Higgs boson, that’s something new. If it doesn’t discover the Higgs boson, then the Standard Model of particle physics described in textbooks is wrong, so that’s new, too. And that would be even more exciting in my opinion.

Now given that the LHC will definitely discover something new, the possibilities of what it may find are spectacular, including mini-black holes and extra dimensions of space. And for just the cost of a couple of weeks of the war in Iraq but spread over many nations and many years, how could you not be a fan of the LHC?

It is truly sad and tragic that sooooo many thing could be improved and discovered with the dollars currently being wasted on George W’s war! And all simply to prove that he is more manly than his daddy!

I think the most exciting is if they can prove definitively there is a parrallel universe. But we’ll have to wait a year until it gets to full power and sending protons at roughly 10,000 mph less than the speed of light, or about 175,000 miles per second.

The LHC’s purpose is something that many people may not fully understand. I have read some things about it that boggle my mind. What caught my eye is its price, 10billion. Now imagine how much money the USA is spending each month on the war, something like 4 billion. Why are we still wasting all that money when we could be putting it towards way better ends?

A waste of time and money. Who cares what happened 1/1000th of a second after the big bang? I doubt they will find application for any results this device finds other than filling some hypothetical equation with additional variables. And Josh, you should be ashamed of yourself and have more sympothy for the unfortunates in Iraq who don’t have the USA benefits you have.

Oh, joy! It could cause our entire planet to cease to exist! What a fantastic result for science…

Oh, wait…

We don’t truly know enough about the risks to even calculate the risks of this undertaking. The theories surrounding black holes and the other horrendous possibilities are just that: theories. Ever changing and often contradictory to even recent thinking. The mere fact that it could wipe out each and every human, animal, plant and insect in one fall swoop is enough to garbage-can this entire operation.

It’s purely not ethical that these scientists can play games with our whole planet at stake – particularly without consultation, a choice or a vote.

Stop the collider, I want to get off.

Also, isn’t it ironic that Western powers, France in particular, won’t let Iran have a bomb that could destroy a city, yet they willingly green light a project that has a chance of incinerating the planet? Comedy…

question?how much..MVA does it take to run this puppy

to Think about it…

Isn’t it funny that Iran (and most middle eastern countries) are so unpredictabily violet that they would use the bomb INTENTIONALLY to destroy the city (and that it would 100% work), and that France and the western powers have decided to green light a project that could offer a huge leap to human understanding of the universe and the chance of anything bad actually happening is less than .0000001%.

Get behind the wheel of a car, you have a chance to die or kill in an accident, a MUCH MUCH greater chance than the earth being destroyed by science.

Seriously people, stop protecting terrorists.

I, along with millions, maybe even billions of people can hardly wait for the first full scale experiments to begin. What are we going to learn about the universe we live in with answers of our universes birth, its evolution to its present form, and ultimately the possibilities of our universes death. It could just be that this worthy application of forward thinking science giants will lift another layer of the opaque vail that shades the secrets of creation, replacing faith with facts.

As with the “splitting of the atom”, maybe this too will result in a bigger and better weapon to make “The Bomb” look like a firecracker! Oh, but, of course, no one would be THAT foolish would they?

I am happy that science can be advanced by research of this type. It is facinating, however; very few people see that this is an attempt to find evidence of the big bang theory so they can say it is fact and not theory. Of course any data collected will likely be interpreted with a big bang belief already in place so it will be colored by their preexisting assumptions which is not real science. Research and discoveries are very important and the benefits are yet unknown but it is a shame that there are not more real scientific minds around who would interpret new science without old assumptions such as the big bang and evolution.

I think Wally must have suffer some childhood calamity that has tied a knot in his reasoning skills….it’s okay Wally, you’ll still be able to drink your beer watching WWF & NASCAR. I don’t think you understood Josh’s comments because he makes perfect sense.

Wow, the only thing more amazing than the technological breakthroughs
that will surely come, are the naysayers who lambast science for having the courage to travel beyond the known and seek understanding.

Our entire world is an illusion — we think, we draw, we produce, we create — more of the illusion — everyday since before recorded time. Why should we not seek to understand the illusion?

“Think about it” – you should really do research on the subject at hand, before opening your mouth and making yourself out to be a fool.

@ Rick: Please keep your religion out of our science and we’ll promise not to think in your church.

Scott, don’t be so sure of yourself.

In the book of Rev. the Lord tells us the earth and all we know will pass away yet he will restore it .
Those who trust know Jesus will return to this earth as man’s efforts nearly destroy this planet. Before you condemend the believers you need to educated yourself in the faith world to validate your claim to disbelief. Are you aware that some have spoken so falsely of God that he no longers allow them to believe? For you sake, I hope you have a glimer of hope left.

Regarding the LHC…it is false to say there is no impact. You haven’t even given the real fire to this and have no idea what the true outcome is. It did concern me that the SAME day and only hours after firing of the beams one way that we suffered FOUR earthquakes in this world. Is it conincidence? How do we know? Or even the unexpected strength and width of the storm Ike..any correlation? How do we know?

No one will not disprove the existence of God because God IS..
Yes, a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and truth. John4:23,24.

Last century, US did not have the finances to build the super collider.
Could only affort part of an advertising billboard, space station in the sky.

The Collider in Europe, also international, only part US involvement.
An attractor of scientists, ebb of science progress, back to Europe.

Japanese will figure out from this, how to make even better cars.
US will try to build the first Black Hole Bomb.

All you doomsday nuts need to stop pretending that everything you read on CNN is right and do some research. There is virtually no possibility of the LHC damaging anything, much less destroying the earth. As was said previously, cosmic rays colliding with the Earth’s atmospheric boundary produce much higher energies and much more peculiar reactions all day and night. We’re just recreating this on earth so that we can directly study it’s effects with extreme control and precision. There is no danger in this, and the benefits are massive compared to the immensely small risk. If we can discover the properties of the Higgs boson, that’s one step toward engineering something that exploits those properties (anti-gravity?). Just wait and see and stop whining and waiting for Jesus. Jesus didn’t build the LHC, the French did.

I also read in another science article that the study of clouds and matter and how it related to climate would be carried out. So they are hoping to see some applications in climate change, climate observation, global warming, etc. Obviously this would have an enormous impact on humanity and climate change. I imagine the same people that think the earth is going to become a fireball in 10 years because of SUVs probably are the same ones who think we are going to be swept in a black hole next year. And for those who can’t let go of Iraq or Bush, don’t worry about the past and what you CAN’T do anything about. Think positive about the future and what you CAN do something about.

In the early 19th century, scientists discovered a fantastic new particle they called the “electron”. It was thought to be nice science, but no practical application…. forward a half century; lo and behold, the lowly little electron makes Radio, Radar, then television,etc. possible. None of us would be reading this article on a computer without the scientific exploration that took place in the past. The same science that religious fanatics like to deny, makes nearly everything they do in daily life possible. The same scientific theories that make TV possible, make carbon dating of fossils also possible. Think about it.

S Callahan, how do YOU know that the earthquakes are not God’s retribution for YOUR errant understanding and practice of HIS teachings? How do we know?

This is going to sound ludicrous, but why can’t the LHC be considered a Godsend if it reveals something that helps us save and rebuild the planet? Are all of God’s miracles required to be non-man made? Couldn’t the inspiration to build such a device have come from God?

PD pass the word through CNN we have the heros of weather, Storm chaser/filmers Mark Suddth and Mike Watkins in our prayers. There work will be very interesting to see. I hope your site shares some of what they offer.

I think that colliding protons that are “visible” to us, you can only create things that are in the same realm. It is absurd to believe that they will find something different. We have dark matter very close to earth, and they still don´t know what it is o how is it formed.
By the way… Yes, they can create a black hole, and maybe it will be small and unstable, but since they DON¨T know when does a black hole decide to start eating, they can´t predict that nothing will happend. It will not have enough energy they say, but with all the energy they put in those protons and all the mass they acquire…. if they are not powerful enough, they will be, when the black hole starts sucking everything around it.

I fail to understand why everyone sees people of faith as being anti-science. A creationist believes in real science just not the particles to people evolution that is spouted as fact without any real evidence. Creationists and evolutionists have the same exact evidence, they just examine it with different worldviews; Creationists through God’s word and evolutionists through the views of man. Same science, different views. Where you end up depends upon where you start in the first place!

I hope this super collider does bring about better understanding of our universe. But i’m sure that evolutionists will see it through their “man-made glasses” while the Creationists will see another side of God’s glorious creation.

SO! this thing is going to bring the ned of the world… stuiped scientists…. God will punish us just for assuming the BIG BANG is true..and TRYING to prove it…wich is stuiped!!!!

Science ftw! I say we fire her up full speed as soon as possible. Honestly, the worst feasable danger is the proton beam is misalinged slightly and drills a minute hole in the detector, causing them to have to replace some of the more sensitive components. That beam has enough energy to go straight through a person, but I doubt even the most sensitive of us could feel a hole with the diameter of a single proton.

personally, know matter how much you downplay this event it is the cause of ‘the iraq war’ ….. hmmm pipeline goes thru turkey/GEORGIA, our newest fight… hadron was placed in france/swiss border …..france is on the other side of germany…..missiles went into Poland????? russia on other side of poland a minor country in the sceme of things seems to just have won the big prize.. But very communist/jewish….via the english channel….hmmm fire there????
new underground tunnels built to connect france and britian….
and now our friend russia is up in arms…. would you want a radiation tank built in your back yard?????? this is a deliberate falsifying of TRUTH and blaming russia for it…when it’s CHENEY all the way!!!! if it smells like a fish it is a fish……’
stop lying to the people….this is why USA has lost all claim of respectability from other nations…. we are being lead by the nose of capitalism and destruction…. oh, and it wasn’t too bright to blow up a comet as USA did….they must be run by a bunch of young rednecks….

Hilarious (and a bit sad)… none of you know a thing about this project or it’s potential benefits or hazards. Like a bunch of little kids, you are, talking about an overheard conversation between Mommy and Daddy. Each of you imposing your own very limited understanding.

The gorilla’s are attacking! Quick, somebody get some bananas!

Ha!

That was helpful, Charlie, thanks for setting us all straight. PD

teenager: 100% certain this will not collapse or explode, ending US.
Reason: these and larger similar events, since time began, nothing gone.
Into unknown, but safe territory, look at the dance floor, safe but unknown.

scott: S Callahan is right — Deuteronomy 28:53-58 — ” if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God,” — Next time you are low in cash, cannot supersize to kill your hunger, order just a Baby Burger. Bible Prophecy, Baby Eater, are you, as God ordered.

I love seeing how people are freaking out about the possibility of creating a black hole with the LHC, although the possibility of it happening is on the the order of 10^-12 or possibly once every TRILLION collisions, not to mention that the maximum power of the machine is approximately 10 GeV in each beam so the amount of energy that would go to the black hole would be so small that it would have no affect on the world. People don’t seem to understand that we cannot spontaneously create energy, we can create matter from energy or energy from matter, but we cannot spontaneously create either.
And for the person who asked, I believe it’s expected to draw around 15 Mega-Watts of power at full capacity.

There has been a lot of discussion about the cost of the LHC.
It is an expensive project and the cost is therefore a relevant topic.

The LHC was built without increasing the CERN budget which is about $900 million year. This sum of money is paid for by the taxpayers in 20 european countries and so the cost per taxpayer is the equivalent of a packet of peanuts per year. For this the European taxpayers get the most advanced physics laboratory in the world and the largest and most advanced scientific machine in the world.

All the people that write to this forum and complain about the cost should also know that they could not do that without CERN. While many people pay hundreds of dollars per year to connect to the internet they pay nothing to use the world wibe web which was invented by CERN and given for free to humanity. Do you think you would use the web for free if it had been invented and patented by Microsoft ?

Other comparisons:

What the US and UK taxpayers pay for the Iraq war during a couple of days would pay for the running of CERN during one year.

The International Space Station which contribute very, very little to science will cost $50-100 billion depending on if one counts the shuttle flights (which each cost $1billion).

The investment bank Lehman Brothers paid its traders $6 billion in bonuses in 2007 when these rocket scientists made bets that have now made the bank bankrupt i.e. what one investment bank pays in bonuses during one year would pay for the running of CERN during 6 years and pay for the building of a LHC.

Mac you articulated what most of us in faith think. Thank You.

You can’t pick and choose your science Mac, as so many creationists are wont to do. Creationism has a nasty habit of taking the hard work and rigorous experimentation of scientists, and applying bits and pieces to its silly mythologies.

The LHC has the potential to teach us so much about the evolution and inner workings of our universe. I can’t wait to see what happens!

you know, we all know what would happen a few months after this thing has been on. and Cern said that people fear it would cause a black hole, well it wouldnt and that ALL it would do was cause a microscopic black hole that would be too unstable to do anything and it would close up within a few seconds after the “big bang” . well, what we dont know is what would happen if they decided for some odd reason to turn it off. something ten times worse than a black hole could happen if they turned it off…see scientists only know what they study but they dont know everything. no body knows everything…well…we have just enough time to tuck our heads between our legs and kiss our asses goodbye because we dont know if well die or not…

Arrrrgh! Those that expound so-called “creation science” need to pull their heads out of their collective you-know-wheres. As soon as the supernatural is invoked in any way, it’s no longer science. End of discussion. The contortions you all go through to explain what science easily explains, in order to prop up archaic beliefs that were originally invented to keep the masses in line–ridiculous. The true heroes are doing their best to figure out what the universe is actually made of, while you’re building a stupid museum that has cavemen coexisting with dinosaurs and talk about a deity planting pre-aged bones in ancient rock layers just to fool those evil Darwinists into doing the devil’s work. And when those heathen scientists who have devoted their lives to the actual mysteries that define the universe finally do figure it all out (be it strings, quantum gravity, or puppy dog tails), I’m sure the creationists will once again do their darn best to bend the result to fit their archaic worldview.

Curiosity is human nature. LHC is curiosity at its best.. Nothing wrong with being curious. No chance of a black hole destroying the Earth. Over population is what will destroy the Earth. The population is growing exponentially. The Earth only has so many resources. Humans have become a virus to the Earth. I really can’t believe we keep cutting down forests, and replacing them with parking lots and buildings to support the ever growing mass of humans. How stupid can we be? How selfish can we be? Anyway, back on topic. The LHC will do nothing to prove or disprove religion. We are just trying to learn how ingenious God really is. Thats what science is all about. The Big Bang THEORY is not anti-religious. Who says God didn’t cause the Big Bang? After all, the Bible says God created the Universe. There are just so many things in this universe that are completely mind blowing. Space and all thats out there, the atom and all thats in there, time, light, sound, life in all its forms, civilization, etc…

We need Faith, belief in that not yet discovered,
Like Boy Scouts, prepare, discover, and make the tools for the job
In the Bible, just below God and the Angels are Humans, not Aliens.
Aliens might have contradictory sacred text, blasphemy, in the eyes of God.

To do God’s work, vengence against Alien blasphemy, send a microdot version of the Bible, on a speck of Iron dust at nearly light speed. If Aliens EcoFood the Humans first, Digested to Hell is Humanity

Have Faith, be Paranoid: Both Creatively and Evolutionary designed
Unity of Faith theory, and Science theory, Blast the Aliens to Eternity.

We will sleep better after succesful test of the Alien Blaster

I really just like seriously want them to cut this LHC machine off. Like seriously, this is scary. I mean come on now, if this thing can destroy the whole universe? WHY BUILD IT? WHY DO SOMETHING SO RIDICULOUS AND STUPID? WHY?. I seriously want them to cut the LHC off, please. I dont know what the purpose of the machine is, I dont know what the purpose of building this machine was. I dont know why the scientist would even think about building something like this. Please,..turn it off..scientists…..

While I believe this is a cool idea, I think a lot of people don’t see that with that money, we could’ve found a cure for cancer, helped the poor and victims of these hurricanes, etc. We could’ve waited a little longer to find out more about the universe.

To all you who are spouting alarmist ****:

All your concerns have been addressed by people who, unlike you, me, or anybody else here, actually know what they they are talking about. They were all found to be entirely without merit. Next time maybe you could do some reading before parroting the garbage spewed by people who live on clicks from the low-information demographic.

This has been a public service announcement from the Department of Not Being Damn Stupid.

As a graduate student who has actually been working on this experiment, I find these articles to be hilarious. All this talk of dooms day and black holes is just a way for the media to get your attention. You have about as much of a chance of creating a black hole by throwing 2 rocks together. Despite all the genius and hard work of 1000’s of physicists, the energy levels inside the collider will be a fraction of that of cosmic rays that hit the earth every day. A few weeks ago, before the beam even came online, I was looking at data being collected from the LHC detectors from these cosmic rays. The reason for the beam is to get a steady stream of reliable data, at a much greater rate than nature gives us. At the mass scale of the protons being collided, the gravitational force is so incredibly weak in comparison to the other forces, that when we study the events at the LHC, we don’t even need to include it in our calculations. The electromagnetic force is roughly 10^40 times as strong. When you stick a magnet on your fridge, are you worried it’s going to suck in the earth?

I’m excited with this physics and scientific stuff, that man can figure some of this out. As he digs deeper and deeper into inner space (which really is about as expansive as the universe), so many truths start to unfold. I just marvel at the creations of God. We are very blessed to be living in these times.

Your website sucks. I posted a clean, intellegent comment yesterday, and its still not showing up. What do you do, pick and choose the comments that make you look best? Filter out the bad ones? Filter out the ones that contradict your article? Dictatorship at its best. I’m sick of CNN’s left-wing propaganda.

Mike — If we somehow missed it, my apologies. If you did indeed post something clean, intelligent and free of personal insult, there’s no reason we wouldn’t publish it. Come to think of it, the “intelligent” part isn’t even a requirement (but I don’t doubt your word that your last one was intelligent).

Please feel free to re-send, and it if it fits these very basic rules, you’ll see it. You have my word as a gentleman and a Dictator. PD

I honestly don’t think anything its going to happened but I am having fun watching people loosing there mind over something that no body knows exactly what it is or what will it do, one thing for sure with all the attention it’s getting around the world they could generate some income if it cost them 10 billion us dollars with some advertisement by now they would probably have had some profit in return why don’t they called it the COCACOLA LHC, or the WALMART LHC just like sanity else these days. I am just crossing my fingers so they can discover some type of antigravity device so they can start making those hooverboards we saw on back to the future movie I cant wait for one of those.

Curiosity killed the cat.

they very reason for the ‘experiment’ is that they DO NOT KNOW what will happen. It is to prove THEORIES.

It is patently RIDICULOUS for anyone to put definitive odds on anything to happen or not happen.

Oh, and yes these particles in nature have and do collide…however…no where in nature are the particles intentionally flung in opposite directions using massive electromagnets. Who’s answering questions regarding the influence on our planets magnetic field? Will the electromagnetic energies themselves create a vortex or other unknown phenomenon?

Einstein and his peers were able to postulate viable theories in their own head, without danger to the planet. These individuals had the capacity to understand the world around them without such questionable, ahem, ‘experiments’. How? Why? Well, simply because fact is fact and some people have a keener perceptions.

But, because all our young scientists lack the brain power and perceptions of an Einstein they see fit to mess with things they themselves cannot wrap their minds around.

There are no definitives in this ‘experiment’. Nothing may happen. But anyone who states the possibility of destruction does not exists is a fool.

WE ourselves could be an example of an extremely rare probability that has come to probable light.

You do understand that right?!?

I heard the test last week was a beam of protons circling in one direction and it didn’t collide with anything. The real test will be when two beams collide in the opposite direction. No crush, no black hole.

There is a reason they are calling the Higs the god particle. One they have tested and found this tillt structure, we are goin to have a new standard modle for the universe, Called the Grand conscious unified feild. We are all infinite, we are all one consious subjectively experimenting with our selves.

I do Stan, and I think there are many others that see things with your view. Thanks.

From a guy who sold big machines and loves science, this is a big-boy-toy and a colossal waste of good money in a world that can ill afford it. It may be the “biggest machine” of it’s kind, but in scale, you wont see it from space and if it caused a black hole that sucked the world into itself, the universe wouldn’t notice.

The money and effort should have been invested in the research of renewable energy. Einstein would have agreed that donating the money to the World Food Bank would have served humanity infinitely better.

Europe takes the lead in high energy physics. Other countries are rapidly taking the lead in space exploraton and it seems likely the space station will not have Americans on board in the near future except if the Russians take them. America needs to stop spending it’s resources on wars and the weapons of death and start spending them on advancing science and on the care and welfare of mankind.

“anyone who states the possibility of destruction does not exists is a fool.”
Nature, Moons the Panic Zombies Fools. Moon is still there, even after hit by Doom Fool theory stranglets, Bigger smaller stranger than any imagined Doom machine product, endlessly churning matter. Too many theories boggle the minds, the Puny Collider, just smashing smaller rocks in the quest for more theory. The MonkeyMan smashing rocks, with more than 14 mosquitoe energy, did not cause vortex to Hell, just theory of the supersized burger.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/arts/story.html?id=f8b84761-ef5a-45c0-ab3e-9b5ce6497088

“they very reason for the ‘experiment’ is that they DO NOT KNOW what will happen. It is to prove THEORIES.”

We do know that these processes already occur in nature and on the earth. As I already stated, we detect them. The only difference here is that this is a controlled experiment.

“no where in nature are the particles intentionally flung in opposite directions”

When black holes are created in nature, the forces and electromagnetic fields involved are far greater than what we are using here. And certainly, particles created in those processes do collide with the earth.

“Who’s answering questions regarding the influence on our planets magnetic field? Will the electromagnetic energies themselves create a vortex or other unknown phenomenon?”

The magnetic field produced by an MRI is roughly the same as what is used at the LHC. MRIs have saved many lives, but have yet to create a vortex.

“this is a big-boy-toy and a colossal waste of good money in a world that can ill afford it.”

So far, the internet, PET scans, and many medical scan related technologies have come from CERN in similar experiments. Were these wastes of money? Imagine if people had told those experimenting in electromagnetism that they were wasting money?

We absolutely ,100% need to know, how to build better weapons, not just tastier SuperBurgers. The Doom, our end, not in a flying mosquito vortex, but by an Alien designed super accelerator, more effective than any monkey smashing a rock on another monkey’s head.

The group fearing the LHC is isomorphic to the group who feared Y2K at the beginning of the century. These types of fearful groups multiply in exactly the same way…

Maybe it’s just me, but I fail to see the practical implications of recreating the moment the universe was created some 4 billions years ago, especially at the expense of 10 billion dollars. Forget the fact that gas and basic living costs are through the roof and most of us have spent the better part of the last nine months complaining about surging fuel prices, but what about people that seriously cannot make ends meet? If you are reading this, then you have access to the Internet and you’re probably not one of those people.

Does anyone else out there realize what the money spent on space exploration and other scientific garbage can do for humanity? Don’t get me wrong–I am a science enthusiast–I grew up being facinated by space and the oceans and I still am even as an adult, but seriously? As time goes on these projects just become more and more expensive. It costs billions of dollars to fire 7 people into orbit. Moving off of this planet WILL NEVER BE AN OPTION as long as economics are an issue.

Really though, part of me things that if this thing does create a black hole and humanity does get sucked into it, leaving not so much as a trace that we even existed, the universe would be better off.

DON’T BELIEVE THE NEWS PEOPLE!! The experiment was a disaster. After we flipped the switch, a unexpected Resonance Cascade ripped through the underground complex. 48 hours ago, a containment breach occurred at Sector C Test Labs. CERN is covering this up along with the U.S. Military. They’ve sent in the H.E.C.U. and have been systematically killing off any survivors that are trying to reach the surface. I’m a scientist still trapped underground. The Marines have pulled back but are now conducting air strikes. I’ve been trying to reach the Lambda Complex. From there, we hope to close the portals that we’ve created. I know. I was the one responsible.

Ignore what the previous poster has said about the experiment going awry. Everything is in order and CERN is taking full measures to accommodate all unforeseen consequences that might or might not happen at this complex. In the event of a failure of some type. Full countermeasures and Fail Safe protocols will be enacted. Do not be concerned. The citizens of the world are in safe hands.

Dr. Breen, the World owes both you and the previous poster, whose comments were not posted and available for you to read until after you responded to them, a tremendous debt.

US less than 10% contributor, but the thought of US scientists does count
“The U.S. contribution, a $531 million investment, consists of several key components of the particle accelerator and the ATLAS and CMS particle detectors”

“How much as Canada contributed? About $100 million.”

Besides the initial 128 million to get the project started — “Japan is the source of much of the basic material (steel and superconducting cable) for the LHC … The KEK national laboratory acts as a major coordinator for all of this work” http://lhc-machine-outreach.web.cern.ch/lhc-machine-outreach/components/lhc-manufacturing.htm

USA, loosing imported scientists fast, World champion, string theory blogger, Luboš Motl, back to where the real science is, far from the CretionistEcoGoofFaithLudditeZombies ? When he is paid in EuroEcoGreenies, Grass in USA was greener ? Only an even more energetic collider has the attractive stringy strange spagetty answer ?

@Aaron “So far, the internet, PET scans, and many medical scan related technologies have come from CERN in similar experiments. Were these wastes of money? Imagine if people had told those experimenting in electromagnetism that they were wasting money?”

Yes, $10 Billion plus maintenance and salaries is too much. People are starving and we are killing the environment; let’s get our priorities straight.

It is a shame that America did not build it in Texas ! !

I just read a novel by Douglas Preston called Blasphemy. The premise is exactly this only it was the SSC-not the LHC. The religious nutjobs ended up freaking out and blowing the thing up. Science didn’t replace religion. It BECAME the new religion.

Great read, if you get the chance.

Yawn.

I am sorry but I think the idea is horrifying and in no way do I think that the possible rewards may even be remotly worth the risk. I don’t think that it is fair that a few thousand scientist are aloud to make the decision for us as to whether we are or are not willing to take such a risk. I also think that such a creation should have been made known to us before it was put into action. The idea of dying just because some scientist wanted to figure out if the Big Bang theory was true or not is absolutely insane. I don’t understand as to why all these scientists aren’t spending more time on matters that concern civilizations Right Here Right Now issues, such as Global Warming, cancer, aids, all these new disease, or maybe even finding a solution for our serious gas problems. Concerned citizen.

Geeze, where to start. 1) The LHC has not been tested at black hole stage energies. That’ll come later during full power ramping with only proton collisions and then again using lead ion collisions, again during full power ramping. 2) No, this type of energy collision and release doesn’t occur everyday. Cosmic rays are not rays at all and don’t travel in straight lines. They have mass, are affected by gravity, and are currently not understood by any science, or physical law, currently known in a public forum. That cosmic rays exist is proven, where they come from and where the energy they contain comes from, is currently unknown. 3) The Higgs Boson may still exist and not be detected simply because the LHC is not powerful enough or, and most probably, the detectors within the LHC are not precise enough to capture evidence of such a particle at the energy levels available within the LHC. The Standard Model will not be invalidated simply because the LHC cannot detect a theoretical particle. 4) The author perhaps does not quite stress the nature and role of dark mass and energy in the reality to which we are accustomed. No competent scientist on this planet has any issues with disturbances and shortfalls in our forms of mathematics and proofs, as opposed to what is viewed as theory. The fact is, there is an enormous amount of missing mass and energy that is present in some form but quite undetectable using any embryonic device in existence today. The LHC may change more than our knowledge, it may change our reality itself. 5) There has never been a need to ‘worry’ about whether the LHC can create a black hole or not. Were a black hole created large enough to bridge atomic distances and begin spatial expansion, no one will feel a thing, it will simply occur. The magnetic shielding around the LHC particle tube array would serve to ‘fuel’ a black hole of this size, not contain it. Further, at least 2 of the experimental stations at the LHC are sufficient to detect anomalies in matter/energy ratios and would serve to show evidence of black hole generation while still small enough to simply let these micro-blackholes float freely away. The closest known object that might cause an entirely different reaction with a micro-blackhole created by the LHC would also require that thousands, if not tens of thousands, of such blackholes be created during a collider experiment. Were one of these micro-blackholes to retain around 20% of the angular energy momentum driving it in exactly the wrong (or right) direction, well, then, we have a fusion furnace and a region of space with a much lesser than usual normal atomic spacing, the sun itself. The maximum size of a micro-blackhole that humans need to worry about is much smaller in fusion space as opposed to normal atomic space. At 20% light speed and earth-sol distance, our dear planet would exist for less than one hour before being ripped apart by such close proximity to an expanding event horizon fueled by the sun itself. However, there’s no need to worry about that either since time, as a dimension, exhibits very different properties so close to the event horizon of a stellar size black hole. Again, it might happen, but no one would ever really see or feel it. Atheist, agnostic, or believer in whatever, it would appear, under all circumstances, that Einstein was correct, “God does not play dice.”

Wow Geo, I’m deep breathing…nicely said…..particulary that last statement.

“…we love what we fear”.
How about consulting a psychiatrist to check out the dark matter of your psyche?

“Gordon Freeman September 13th, 2008 2:49 pm ET

DON’T BELIEVE THE NEWS PEOPLE!! The experiment was a disaster. After we flipped the switch, a unexpected Resonance Cascade ripped through the underground complex. 48 hours ago, a containment breach occurred at Sector C Test Labs. CERN is covering this up along with the U.S. Military. They’ve sent in the H.E.C.U. and have been systematically killing off any survivors that are trying to reach the surface. I’m a scientist still trapped underground. The Marines have pulled back but are now conducting air strikes. I’ve been trying to reach the Lambda Complex. From there, we hope to close the portals that we’ve created. I know. I was the one responsible.”

LOL, winner.

if it creates a black hole it may stay stable and consume the planet im for that but others are scared if they know what theyre doing its fine with me but if not they should do it elsewhere like mars im just giving my 2 cents thank you

they will find nothng of value to the understanding of how the universe was made. Look for your answer in the bible.

Great! I just can’t wait to see what happens……if such a thing works EUROPE at the top and the rest of the world will have to learn thank you!

I see nothing about CERN and the Bible in conflict. God gave mankind brains to do all that we have done and will do.
The people that seem upset are like the people that said the same
thing when the first airplane was built. “If we were meant to fly
God would have given us wings.”
Since God knows the end from the beginning perhaps this is
because we do have to leave this planet and need to be able
to someday go faster than the speed of light.
All the one’s talking about this being bad because of the Bible
are just wrong. We would still be sitting in caves because with
every advance science makes the same old same people say the
same thing.

hi! Andy Young …america did not build in texas, because there no such science experience here …there is only …for war………

Okay everybody, take a deep breath and say it with me. “Matter is neither created nor destroyed”. Relativity not withstanding. If a microscopic black hole is created, it will have no more or less mass (hence gravity) than the particles that created it. It would not have a meaningful effect of the earth’s gravity, because its constituent particles would have come from the same general area.

1. There is no god.
2. Science is all we have to explain the things we don’t understand.

WOW! This is absolutely amazing!
for the past 3 months I have been following this story, and every new bit of it makes me wonder about this universe.
I would love this project to take place and be successful. This could make all the religion confusions go away, yet prove the actuality of our universe and how it came about.

I love this machine.

I think that the CERN project will create more questions than answers. The black holes , dark matter , dark energy , etc , etc , will give way to something smaller , something else . As far as bringing religion into the mix , religion is also something intangiable , not easily explained. Let science explain the physical and religions explain the personal.

At what Tev, percent light speed, time dilation, does an electron, proton, helium, lead, mosquito, golf ball, starship, turn into a black hole ?
Without any collisions, just electromagnetic acceleration ?

Black holes have charge and spin, how does size grow as more speed ?
Black hole proton, at black hole speed, forever, not Hawking radiated ?

This is an ultimate act of what it means to be human: Doing something without knowing the outcome, no matter how dire the consequences. Thank the cosmos for letting the LHC be.

Special law, miracle, nowhere else in the universes, just for Dogmatized Bible Happy HumanSheep on Earth. Combine the Bible mandated Pizza ingredients, power up the collider, insert inside the beam. witness are the faithful to the God Cooked Pizza Pie. Self duplicating, fulfilling all the starved, emotionlly God disconnected, new particles, God guaranteed to smell and taste good.

The real miracle of Pizza. Halleuyah
Repent, accept the Dogma of the Bible, or BabyBurgers are all you get.
,

where christians always this stoopid? or is it that we just hear more of their babble? i used to identify as christian when i was younger, in reality my concept of god has long since gone beyond chrsitianity but i used to be ok with being part of the predominant group but i don’t remember them being so orthodox/literal/fundamental/STOOPID drink the kool aid if you think it tastes good but meanwhile the rest of us are busy ADVANCING the species, finding cures, creating the technologies that make YOUR life better, GROWING. its gotten to the point where i no longer will let someone assume i’m christian because it has come to mean so many NEGATIVE things. the 1st step to getting on the path to god is throwing out all the man made (like christianity) constructs of god, oh well, ignorance is bliss and there seems to be a few very happy campers who love to comment on the tech articles. the LHC is great, lets put more of our money into stuff like this that moves us forward and less into wars that hold us back (and who would jesus bomb anyway?)

With so much money invested by advanced countries, I can’t help wondering if they expect new weapons research to emerge from this project.

Watch Alien Agenda & Deception on youtube: This machine is Satanic and that is why the CERN logo is 666 in a circle. This is Satan’s Stargate to unleash his turmoil and deception upon the earth and bring forth the anti-christ. What a surprise the “Galactic Federation of Light” ship is reported to be appearing Oct. 14 just as the collider is brought fully on-line. Remember the tower of Babel? Look at the European Union’s headquarters – the exact design of the tower of Babel found in ancient art. Wake up people. Watch out for Jesus imposter weilding great tricks. And accept Yeshuwah – as your lord and savior. Time is short. And for all you chump Satanists and his blind followers: do you really think you are going to win? How dumb and pathetic are you? You will be cast into the lake of fire. HAHAHA

Never has so much been written by so many that understand so little.

i totaly agreeeeeeeee

wtf

CHAPTER XXV:
DUAL SPACES
Dual Spaces are dynamics of space such that it maintains its symmetry, because there are 2 symmetries for 1 space, such confuse and conflict in space would be resolved through Dual Space Dynamics as the pictures below would describe:
X Y
This is a coordinator X and Y of Space in 45°with the coordinator H and V of Space in Vertical V and Horizontal H.
These coordinators are the same in Limits of Space in the Universe; however, to be one they must act to remain as one.
They would move back and forth and swing between themselves to switch on and off on each other and then remain as one.
1) This Logic will change the ways that Physics has based on for long time.
2) This discovery will lead to a new Vi Tế Luận (New Macro Logics) in Science.
3) This knowledge will reveal a center of the Universe for a very, very first time in Human history of 2000 years or even 5000 years! A very first time in History of Human Civilization
4) This understanding will lead to Zero or no time Space.
5) This logic will lead to the application of Transverse between Dual Spaces.
6) This reality of Space will lead to better understanding of Energy.
7) This real space will lead to the missing link between two opposite Limits – a) A tiniest Spaces of particles and b) A vast Spaces of the Universe.
This true space will lead to the way that to makes the moves to skip Space and Time. . . . . . . . .
9) Dual Spaces would contribute better understanding of dimensions in Geometry, in Nature, and science in these combinations below, for examples:
a) (X, Y, Z, Xd, Yd, Zd). It is carrying 6 Dimensions.
b) (X, Y, Z, Xd, Yd, Zd, O(x,y,z)). It is carrying 7 Dimensions.
c) (X, Y, Z, Xd,Yd, Zd, O(xd,yd,zd)). It is another 7 Dimensions
These are just few combinations of Dimensions, for examples only!
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
10) Dual Spaces would lead to unlimited resource field of Energy.
11) Dual Spaces might help in Stem cells colonies with communication to lead developments; unfortunately, I am not a biologist! I am just suggesting from Dual Spaces’ point of view, or from Dual Spaces’ Logics, or from Dual Spaces’ Physics, or from Dual Spaces’ Applications, and abilities of Dual Spaces might lead to. . .
12) Dual spaces Dynamics would make life as living feature; without Dual spaces Dynamics, life is just an image! And the Mind of the life as living feature is beyond the DUAL SPACES DYNAMICS and out of abilities of Science! ! !
13) If you have learned about STRING THEORY, Dual Spaces Dynamics would explain better than String Theory! And then clarify a lot of things that String Theory cannot. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
14) This Logic of Dual Spaces Dynamics will set along the LIMITS in the Universe; even though, we might never know the FINAL LIMIT of the Universe! However, we will always know the center of the Universe either relatively or absolutely, depend on how accurate that we are in touch with the center of the Universe at the moments of contract and expand.
15) What will be at the center of the Universe?
16) Can we, as Human, travel to the Center of the Universe?
This description of DUAL SPACES will clear the way for Physics to have better answers that Physics cannot answer before. However, it is still a long way to go from now and then, from here to there, but the way has been found.
It is just simple like that for DUAL SPACES; however, the reality is not exactly as I said above for DUAL SPACES, because I have simplified for easier to understand! For example, the O of X and Y coordinate and the O of V and H coordinate are not necessary as the same, it might have some distance between! The 45° would be flexible in its own ranges and in its own conditions! And then Universe is more than Dual Spaces. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
I have used 2 Dimensions to describe the DUAL SPACES; actually, it should be in FOUR DIMENSIONS IN LIMITS rather than 2 Dimensions, but it is easier to understand in 2 Dimensions than in 4 Dimensions in Limits!
Please do not think I am talking about coordinators of reference in X and Y or V for Vertical and H for Horizontal. This is not at all about Coordinators of Reference; however, I acknowledge that I have used the Coordinators of Reference to describe about DUAL SPACES.
Tho Huynh
I might show you the DUAL SPACES in 4 DIMENSIONS in LIMITS; however, you have to pay for it if you want to see DUAL SPACES in 4 Dimensions in Limits!
My email: thhnfl@aol.com
Or: khongly@hotmail.com
If you can understand, then it is up to you to use it for development of new tech that is advance in technology, you might even apply to control NE or FE or EF. . . . . . . .
If I go further than what I have told you here, in this Article, then the Dual Spaces will become almost opposite to what was described here; in other words, DUAL SPACES will become Very Primitive Particles, VPP, in Units of Limits relatively and interactively . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Finally, with this discovery, I start to understand how Life has begun in the Universe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . almost, but it is still further to go!
The Dual Spaces and VPP would prove the Universe has been developed slowly (very slowly in term of the Universe itself) in every corners of the Universe where the VPP and the DUAL SPACES will flash repulsively in harmonies or symphony or orchestral with the flash from the center of the Universe (please do not think I am talking about Uniform Universe, because I did not have exact words to describe; thus I have used HARMONIES, SYMPHONY, and ORCHESTRAL to try to take care the meaning of it); the Universe is not a place for Big Bang Theory, there is no such thing as Big Bang in the Universe. If the Big Bang say that the Universe has been initiated in days, then the Dual Spaces have revealed otherwise “the Universe would be initiated in billions of years simultaneously and spontaneously and repulsively from beginning till the significant of the Universe” , it would be long days of working in Mathematics for calculations . . . ! ! !
This is something for both Mathematics and Physics in particularly and Science in generally.
Scientific news –Please put it through as News, just for the fun of it!
Thanks
Note:
BIG BANG THEORY might have trouble with problems list below:
1) Time cannot go back ward such a far!
2) Space Limit does not exist in limit of the Big Bang.
3) Undefined center of the Universe and its center point cannot happen coincidently! ! !
4) Push Gravity is disappeared on Pull Gravity against the Law of Force and opposite force.
5) The Mechanical Logics or Mechanical Designs are not there or even fail mechanically! If we put Universe thru perspective of Mechanism after 7,000,000,000.00 years or 3,000,000,000.00 years after extreme explosion!
6) If we say focus of 395 laser beams onto a point likes throwing a quarter, 25 cents, US money, to a gap from 40.00 miles away, then the possibility to focus of the Universe onto a Big Bang is very slim to none, or it is possibility of
0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001= =

FUN FACT:
Start from this Article, mark its date, I would predict American might be the first to succeed with Dual Space Dynamics Applications, it is a good news, and then the bad news is the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans will no longer protect American from the oversea enemies, because the troops can be sent through the thin air physically neither with Time nor Spaces (Relatively Speaking); however, it might not happen in my life time, perhaps! Depend on how long I can live the rest of my life???
Please do not think this article is writing about Parallel Universe! It is not at all about Parallel Universe; it is about Universe that we are living in everyday; however, due to DUAL SPACES DYNAMICS the Universe is no longer the same for every moment of Dual Spaces Dynamics; it is include the Atoms’ behaviors, or what ever smallest particles that is still belong to Spaces Dynamics! ! !
It is a reason why I can say the LHP (Large Hadron Collider,” or LHC, the device is 27 kilometers (16.7 miles) long and resides in a tunnel approximately 100 meters beneath the Franco-Swiss border, just outside of Geneva)would discover many different Bosons (or what ever particle that you called), because the changes of Spaces due to Dual Spaces Dynamics will lead to different forms of Bosons, then there are too many of Bosons you wish to discover, then the question is “which Boson do you want?”- I have fun to wait for results from LHC in July, and then I will say “I told you so!”; even though, I know they are wasting time and money for something is not there, even if they are going to make LHC with 59 miles (or even with 100 miles or even 10,000 miles) like the one American has given it up in Texas decades ago, the result will be the same, and nothing will happen as they expected-80 countries, cost more than 3,000,000,000.00USD, but results are trivial, so much money involved, the results are not much, and so many particles, then no result will be the answer-the larger you build the more trivial will become because of Space Alteration Dynamics.
LHC might become the biggest fool and (or) con in history of science or history of mankind
Besides, Quantum Time got to be there; without the Quantum Time, the LHC is just another false of Technologies!-Explanation:
1) If you cut bread into slices, then the slices of the bread will have different Quantum time to the bread as a loath, now try it with smaller and smaller to the level of Particles. . .This example would give some visions of differences between Regular Time (24 Hours Time) and Quantum Time functions.
2) Just like Dual Space Dynamics, Quantum Time play an important role in the process of Physical Matter; especially at the levels of Particles-it is why a photon get through slits could imprint 2 dots on the screen. . .
3) It is even worse to LHC that they cannot even understand Quantum time yet! What they are doing now with LHC it is just like they put the cart before the Horse, and yet they did not even know TIME DOES NOT EXIST! It is even more difficult to understand such a Time at the end- that might put particle too fast for Human Equipment to catch it at the end or at beginning!
4) LHC cannot replay the BIG BANG event of the Universe; it is impossible for LHC reinvent the Big Bang, because the Dynamics of the two are totally difference! ! !
Unfortunately, there is no Big Bang in the Universe!
5) Phenomenal Time exists, but Real Time does not exist!
Can we skip over Phenomenal Time to be in touch with REAL TIME DOES NOT EXISTED?!
6) Real Space exists, but Phenomenal Space does not exist!
The last 2 phrases have described very much problems for LHC to find out before they expect the system works the way they want! ? ! ? ! ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. They are the big problems and challenges for Scientific Communities also!
Let take a look deeper in details of Space and Time.
Let PhT = Phenomenal Time exists.
ReT = Real Time does not exist.
ReS = Real Space exists.
PhS = Phenomenal Space does not exist.
With PhT, ReT, ReS, PhS, we might have up to 24 combinations and more for whatever particles that you are looking for from LHC. Now, you can see just a little of problems I am talking above! However, I would not go further in details. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

NOTE:
1) DUAL SPACES DYNAMICS are not a system of symmetry; it is a Logical Theory of Dynamical Systems! Symmetry is as a relative result (a part) of DUAL SPACES DYNAMICS.
2) “What is REAL?” and “What is PHENOMENON?”
Perhaps, I have to write a thousand pages of book to explain about REAL and PHENOMENON; thus, I would use some examples to simplify the way to explain about REAL and PHENOMENON relatively; otherwise, many books of BUDDHISM have some very well explanations about REAL and PHENOMENON:
*First example should be WATER and WAVES. Waves are phenomena of Water, and Water is reality of Waves. And then Water is phenomenon of Hydrogen and Oxygen relatively, and then Hydrogen and Oxygen are realities of Water, and then Hydrogen and Oxygen are Phenomena of Atoms and Particles, and so on . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
**Second example should be WIND and AIR. Air is reality of wind, and wind is phenomenon of Air. . . . . . .
***Third example should be LIGHT and WAVES and PARTICLES. Waves and Particles are Reality of Light, and Light is Phenomenon of Waves and Particles. . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
****Fourth example should be HUMAN BODY, HUMAN MIND, and MIND. Human body is Phenomena of Human Mind and Mind (Controversial Thinking to the West…). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Think about them for yourselves!
Tho Huynh
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I just hope the LHC won’t be used as a “tiger trap” in that anything it creates will magically “become” a Higgs boson, no matter what its characteristics because that’s what the LHC seems intended to find. That happened with neutrino traps that caught things that weren’t what neutrinos were theorized to be at all, but they called them neutrinos anyway.

I can’t wait to purchase my very own black hole at The Sharper Image!!!

I’m excited to see the train wreck unchecked science is driving us towards. I know how remote the possibilities of a blackhole or rampant quark-gluon reaction but that doesn’t change a reasonable person’s concern. The decent chance of moderate scientific and financial gain DOES NOT compare to even the remotest chance of utter annihilation. Its a Pascalian wager. We can compare it to a the development of atomic power. We have narrowly avoided complete destruction at the by atomic weapons and suffered multiple catastrophic meltdowns for what (albeit great) discoveries the technology has brought us. Now we’re making a similar gamble on a higher order. And don’t kid yourself, just like atomic power, the LHC’s potential discoveries hold vast military applications.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m all for banging particles together for the sake of human prosperity, but can we at least have the sense enough to wait until we can do it in space or on another planetary body!? I haven’t done the math on a mission to Mars, but I’m pretty sure $10 billion would go a long way. I was under the impression that putting all of one’s eggs in a single basket was rudimentary foolishness.

I think the LHC is a machine. It’s a machine with a vague mission that will hopefully yield some answers about the universe. I think it’s a mistake to personify the LHC as anything other than a machine– but its celebrity status will certainly increase if extra universes are uncovered.

I realized years ago that every time we measure something we learn something. So I expect great things from the LHC.
But I have wondered for many years why a cyclotron like the LHC couldn’t be used to create fusion reactions that could be used to generate power?

hey nyonben are you serious
or are you just kidding i am very scared and do not want to be eaten up by a black hole please tell me the truth about this and please tell me if this really hapened or you were just trying to scare ppl??? please tell me truth i would like to know.

I am extremely excited about the LHC and the experiments! Think about it, Higgs boson, antimatter, different dimensions! How much better does it get!!!!
And scott…. I am too excited that it will exclude god and religion

Please people, don’t bore us with this foolish religious talk.

to the uneducated,
(I will try to as simple as I can)
I’m sad you are satisfied with ignorance.
It also saddens me that humanity limits their intellect. The fact that YOU don’t understand something doesn’t mean it cannot be proven by someone with a tad more education, or that in the future, when science advances it will be proven. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, with the LHC and all, how science advances day by day. Why is it that these religions are stuck in the past?

The Danger is that our science and technology is advancing faster then our spirituality and morality, we have to increase our positive spirituality and then science can be great.

Do not Black Hole or Strangelet Spagetty worry
The universe, our home , just a big black hole.
The microwaves in the background, garburator recycling.
The souls of the nonbeliewers, beyond our event horizon.

What practical use? Hmm … well basic research has lead to most of whatever you are using in your house and work today. Maybe we will get flying cars after we learn more about what controls gravity. A few electrically charged black holes would solve the energy and waste disposal issues at the same time.

Those on the far right don’t like the thing because they get all there answers from the book, the far left has problems because the don’t know any more about science and are afraid we are going to get sucked down a black hole. Cosmic Rays is the Earth with at least 10,000 times more power then the LHC can come up with…so that isn’t an issue.

What if Flemming had thrown his mold away? Talk about a good return on some basic research! Smaller versions of this device are used to kill Cancer. Medical Proton Therapy are a spinoff of this sort of stuff.

Your hard drive that can hold billions of pages and still fit in a lap top is a result of fundamental physics research.

Heck the web was invented by CERN (home of the LHC).

No weapons at CERN … take the tour and see for yourself!

People are very concerned with LHC (CERN?)….
Noybeam are you one of the hackers to the LHC? How would you know that information to be true? I think our greater concern is for October. We will see. It’s a shame so many Scientist disregard the implications of this and other things going on without much public insight.

Scriputres tells us the earth will pass away and a new one will be established.. All his words are true and you will see that for yourself over the next few years. It just amazes me so many people just disregard God’s word, or make nasty comments, because someone cares enough for your soul. May you find your peace with God and know you are in his care.

“There is always the chance that, after billions and billions of particle collisions, nothing turns up.”

wrong

at the energies that this collider will operate at – something is bound to ‘turn up.’

Science and Religion do not mix at all due to the fact that every time we make a leap foward in science, it crushes some facet of a religious belief. Eventually science will advance to the point where it can explain away the need for a supreme creator, which will drive religious zealots nuts. It will force them to face the fact that mankind is responsible for its own actions, and that scares the hell out of them.

I think this project is awe inspiring and will reveal some amazing discoveries and some new questions arise, my only concern is that someone will think of a way to turn some aspect of this into some type of weapon. such as when we first learned in the early 20th century that atoms could actually be split, now we have nuclear bombs with radioactive fallout, what next? portable black holes?

Those who wonder why some of us don’t think creationists theories should be given any credence do not understand the difference between science and mythology. If you look for proof of your theory and reject everything that doesn’t confirm you theory it is not science. Science is always willing (ultimately) to change the theory if the evidence does not support the original theory.

The LHC is one of the biggest experiments mankind ever made. The article is written in a way which just makes me angry, as a scientist and as someone who can actually think a little bit. The US spends 500 billion per year on weapons and military…so I ask myself…how stupid is that…of course…the US has to protect itself from all the terrorist and evil people in the world who are just jealous about the “freedom” of greatest country of all.
If the rest of the people in the US and in the world would be as reasonable as those scientist who spend there life on making the world a better place, we would be much better off. And the author of that article should write about “tea time” and “how to make pancakes”, but please don’t let her write about science ever again!!!!

Thanks Sebastian!! Spoken in the open-minded spirit of science!! (Note: This is sarcasm….)

oh and for you S Callahan:

looooooooooooooooooooool….are you really believing this…thats just sad.

oh boy .

I am neither an ignoramus nor a Luddite, but I believe the LHC is largely a waste of money. I suspect that what it will accomplish is to raise more questions that cannot be answered in a kind of infinite regress. It is easy to say that at the time of discovery, most scientific advances were of little recognized practical importance, but particle physics has reached such a rarified state that it often seems more like a kind of bad metaphysics than true science. To be sure, we shold continue to pursue these questions, but should society be footing the bill for an endless metaphysical pursuit when other pressing concerns call for our attention.

The outcome of the CERN LHC will be that a larger collider will have to built. Onward, large science.

ROFLMAO @ religion!!!!

How safe is the LHC that it was already hacked?

If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it — Albert Einstein
So many theories. but need to see, how the costumes actually fit the clown.
Debate the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin, endlessly,
Better is to look with a microscope, than quote ancient text, hope the best

Theoreticians disagreeing, wondering off, need the referee of reality
Better sooner, than the reality of the blast, from an Alien Hyper Collider.

I agree that the LHC is an exciting scientific venture, even more so if it happens to uncover some of the mystery of the universe. About the creating black holes and the end of the world… I do believe several scientists have stated the natural conditions on the Earth have already done what the LHC intends to do, the only difference being that the LHC collisions will be controlled, observable, and therefore informative. However, equating this whole project to some romantic interlude seems rather odd, especially when you are throwing the possibility of the end of the world in the mix. Sure, the overall goal has a romantic appeal I suppose. The scientists involved in making this happen, I have no doubt, are completely devoted and in love with this project. You’d have to be to commit so much time and effort to something that only has a chance of revealing something new. This experiment is about one thing, trying to find more answers, whether through predicted outcomes or lack of verifiable evidence. That passion is for the pursuit of one thing, the truth. This is not Shakespeare. This is art of another kind, and it’s just as beautiful as any other form. Romantic or not, the pursuit of the truth will continue…

LHC, is a waste of money., We humans need more money, then a company smashing it atoms. Even if they do find something, 95 percent of the population, doesnt care.

About the dooms day issue…..Nothing was going to happen anyway, when they turned it on….If anything, smashing atoms, when they start will cause unfound effects….. Just like doctors, they bury their mistakes….The scientists dont care, if they are wrong about doomsday issues. If something does happen to the earth, nobody will be around to have them stand trail for their crime of murdering over billion people.

Man made God more than God made man.

And everything in this world, we have made. The trees, the food we eat… very little actually still exists that is “natural.”

This is our chance to bring the world back to its natural state, when we were all ourselves part of a cosmic rubble…

waste of time 100% sure they wont find anything that other projects like this have already found out and a huge waste of money.

Anyone feel like taking a bet that in 20 years this thing will have done nothing to change how our every day lifes work?

“Never posit plurality without necessity” Now that we have a machine that might give us a chance to look at the stuff of Gods maybe we can find out if it, the stuff, is of Gods or not. Though I really don’t think it will make a difference to the believers. That’s unfortunate.

To: Eric in SD

“Before God we are all equally wise – and equally foolish.” –Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

Religion and science are not mutually exclusive. A believer who rejects science and a scientist who rejects belief are both closed minded.

Religion is superstition. Reality is merely an agreement.

If man wasn’t meant to question, explore, and attempt to understand then our ‘intelligence’ is surely wasted.

Knowledge and truth are only possible if we are open minded to all possibilities and are willing to do the hard work that is necessary to uncover those truths (no matter how controversial they may be).

The LHC is worth the monetary cost. Just like the moon mission in the 60’s, the value returned in knowledge and technological innovations far exceeded the cost.

Rock on and full speed ahead LHC team.

‘I don’t know much about biology…’ but I love all that is going on with research & right now the LDC. I enjoy all the info re it. You’ll watch the youtube video? If only I was young AND the ‘BIG GUY’ had endowed my gray matter I’d be studying physics right now.

I guess that when science education is as poor as it is in this country, some of this uneducated drivel are the kind of comments one might expect to hear. To actually think that this experiment is a waste of money ignores that scientific advancement is what drives technological advancement. To think this is a bad thing is a naive and ignorant point of view. And concerning disasters, I would be more concerned about real dangers such as hurricanes, which often tend to be quite a bit more expensive than the LHC.

kltx, well put!! Not to mention that the ultimate end of scientific endeavor could in all probability be the salvation of humankind. If the mighty herd would only listen to the voices of reason. Alas, our deviant culture has been deafened by porcine consumerism.

I find this very interesting and exciting. I do wonder for those who do believe in the end times if this could be the perfect explanation for the rapture of the church. Just an observation.

The scientists were spinning the gears between their ears for over 20 years.
Traction to reality is needed, otherwise, more not proven, like the Bible.
You have to smash the coconuts to kill the knowledge hunger.

There is no question in my mind that these scientists will make some amazing disvoveries. The scientists of the past and present have an eerie ability to see deeply into the unseeable. I’m not an academic but these fields have always fascinated me. Eight billion dollars is a big expenditure but I believe it wiil prove to be worth every cent.

It is a reason why I can say the LHP (Large Hadron Collider,” or LHC, the device is 27 kilometers (16.7 miles) long and resides in a tunnel approximately 100 meters beneath the Franco-Swiss border, just outside of Geneva)would discover many different Bosons (or what ever particle that you called), because the changes of Spaces due to Dual Spaces Dynamics will lead to different forms of Bosons, then there are too many of Bosons you wish to discover, then the question is “which Boson do you want?”- I have fun to wait for results from LHC in July, and then I will say “I have said so!”; even though, I know they are wasting time and money for something is not there, even if they are going to make LHC with 59 miles (or even with 100 miles or even 10,000 miles) like the one American has given it up in Texas decades ago, the result will be the same, and nothing will happen as they expected-80 countries, cost more than 6,000,000,000.00USD, but results are trivial, so much money involved, the results are not much, and so many particles, then no result will be the answer-the larger you build the more trivial will become because of Space Alteration Dynamics.
LHC might become the biggest fool and (or) con in history of science or history of mankind.
It likes “the Earth is flat” that millions of people believed before, then many centuries later they realize it is not the Truth of the Earth; it is a classic example of wrong thing that millions of people believe in it is a still a wrong thing.
Remember American Scientists have tried with their own Super Collider 59 miles circumstance in Texas, but American Scientists cannot be sure about the energy they can generate to make it through, because the energy might be up to 100,000,000,000,000.00 watts to make the collide should happen the way they expect . . . then the LHC expect to happen with 16.7 miles with a lot of less energy. . . ; obviously, the answer is NO. If LHC expect to succeed with 16.7 miles, then Fermi Lab would have been done with 7 miles already, but it is not the case!!! Therefore, I can tell the LHC has wishful thinking!
Besides, Quantum Time got to be there; without the Quantum Time, the LHC is just another false of Technologies!-Explanation:
1) If you cut bread into slices, then the slices of the bread will have different Quantum time to the bread as a loath, now try it with smaller and smaller to the level of Particles. . .This example would give some visions of differences between Regular Time (24 Hours Time) and Quantum Time functions.
2) Just like Dual Space Dynamics, Quantum Time play an important role in the process of Physical Matter; especially at the levels of Particles-it is why a photon get through slits could imprint 2 dots on the screen. . .
3) It is even worse to LHC that they cannot even understand Quantum time yet! What they are doing now with LHC it is just like they put the cart before the Horse, and yet they did not even know TIME DOES NOT EXIST! It is even more difficult to understand such a Time at the end- that might put particle too fast for Human Equipment to catch it at the end or at beginning!
4) In addition, the laws of Space Limits have been unknown to our world yet! Unfortunately, it will playing a big role in LHC experiments
5) LHC cannot replay the BIG BANG event of the Universe; it is impossible for LHC reinvent the Big Bang, because the Dynamics of the two are totally difference! ! !

Everyone has theory. Universe is self consistent (God only miracles laws locally to protect the faithful). Not yet in theory described accurately. If we can find the right one, no more Nobel Prizes. Steve Hawkins, the Black Hole theorist might get one, guessed 1% chance Black Hole found at LHC energy level. Not betting he will get the Nobel Prize, but placed $100 bet, God particle will not be found !

If God not found, we need bigger extra hyper refined theories and colliders.
God hounds, yelping, newer able corner, chase God up an Olive tree ?

Holy Toledo they’re coming out of the woodwork. Why can’t the moderators screen the ravings of screwballs. The consumation of all science is located at LHC. So much hard work by generations of so many brilliant minds totally ignored by idiots. THE LHC IS THE NEXT STEP in human understanding of what is beyond the wall of the big bang. Not that the answer what, will give us the answer for why. I doubt we will ever know why. Our puny human minds cannot comprehend the magnitude of the why.

“understanding of what is beyond the wall of the big bang”
We might be living inside a Little Bang, other Bangs beyond horizon, somehow, to us connected ? Dark energy, dark matter, very slightly, but importantly, influencing ?

The “why” doesnt matter Iguess. We are who we are! Excerpt from movie “BREACH”

Self evident is, God is Dead. Could not save His Son, Christ, because God is Dead. Christ, the offspring Half-God is Dead. Greek Gods are Dead. Shiva the Destroyer God, missing in action, added. And the list goes on and on. In the Universe of dead Gods we are. Recyclers of Gods, in a field pushing magic God Daisies. That is the Purpose, Faith in Our existance.

Advertising for the LHC hyper-drive-exaggerated, succesful, God funded.

The best thing the LHC could discover is the confirmation of the absence of a god or any gods – then we wouldn’t have to hear the nonsense from all these religious wackos.

This is from a blog I posted in my local paper. Don’t be a bunch of rubes…

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

Even that website says we’re all still here! Hmm, it’s on the internets, so it must be true, right? Okay, here is my attempted layman’s explanation for why we are still here, and why we will continue to be here, no matter what they do at LHC.

FIRST OF ALL, no particles collided in this test. All the protons that were injected into the LHC were all going the same way. This is just a test. Had it been the end of the world, the above website would have let you know.

Now, assuming that particles are smashed together, which will happen in the future, I bet the above website will continue to display “Nope” for a long time coming. Why? Well, there are three (well really two, but snoopygirl mentioned one that was just too hilarious to ignore) primary concerns, and I hope to address them.

Black Holes: Black holes are naturally formed by gargantuan stellar masses collapsing in on themselves and overcoming all nuclear forces through gravity. In the case of the LHC, there is math that gives the possibility of subatomic particles colliding with enough ENERGY to create subatomic particle sized black holes. HOWEVER, given the amount of mass involved, these black holes would be so small that Hawking Radiation would cause them to nearly instantaneously evaporate. The neat trick here is that the math that predicts the possibility of their appearance, is the same math that assures their evaporation. Kinda neat that! Furthermore, these black holes are sooooo small, that they have only an infinitesimal chance to even react with anything! As I once said, an atom is 99.999999999999999% empty space. So even IF said black hole encountered a particle, gobbled it up, and somehow grew, it would still be so small that Hawking Radiation would have it evaporate nearly instantaneously anyway. (But wait, it just gained mass and is near an atom! It’s going to get more particles! Actually no, the resulting surrounding charge would drive the black hole away from the source of said matter, driving it towards another area of the atom, thus giving it time to evaporate.)

Strangelets: Okay, these are a bit more tricky. There are theories on the fringe of particle physics that thinks that if enough “strange” quarks are bound together, it creates a state of matter that is highly energetic and unstable. Now, the problem here is that anything with a strange quark decays rather quickly (in particle physics scales) via weak interaction. In order for them to be stable, some rather fantastic events need to occur. Delving into the math of all this, the energies from the LHC AND Cosmic rays are relatively equal. So, if the LHC is about to create strangelets, then cosmic rays can also create strangelets. Well, since the planet has been around for billions of years, the safe bet is to say that these energy levels have no chance to produce strangelets, and we’ll continue to be around. Just to be sure, check the website!

I do find it funny that you’ll accept a strangelet, which has no empirical evidence, but evolution, with mountains of evidence is continually denied… Just a curiosity!

Other Dimensions: Okay, this one cracked me up. What particle physicists are talking about here are higher order dimensions. Not alternate planes of existence. According to theory (which we’re trying to empirically test), these dimensions are small. So frightfully small that they are unobservable without the LHC. If anything were “living” in those dimensions, they would most likely be killed by the nearest passing electron (comedy if you can get it). Since these dimensions are already here (according to theory) all around us, seeing evidence of them should have no effect what so ever on them after we know they are there as opposed to before when we didn’t know they were there.

If you are actually interested in REAL science, I am always available to talk about it. If you want to read up more about things, I suggest the Bad Astronomy blog. Dr Phil Plait is a funny and engaging writer.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/

The LHC experiment will upgrade our current understanding of science and the universe. It will fathom the fundamental laws of the universe or even the multiverse.

If and only if the experiment is successful,scientists might discover how to manipulate the subatomic particles for the benefit of mankind. Physicists might be able to find out what happened to antimatter since matter and anti matter were in equal amount during the big bang. Scientist might be able to figure out why dark matter and dark energy constitute 96% of the universe.

We might be able to discover immortality. We might be able to travel throughout the galaxies.

Even if the experiment fails,it might leads to some significant serendipitous discoveries.

True, prudence is the mother of safety but sometimes prudence hampers progress. Even with an educated guess, it is not easy to predict the future or the probable outcome of events .

We should also anticipate the worst case scenario since scientists are tampering with natural forces that they don’t understand. We are risking the annihilation of the planet. This might be the case of the sorcerer’s apprentice.

This is a recent letter I sent to a scientist at one of Toronto’s top Univeristies:

Dr. Wendy Taylor
Physics Department
York University, Toronto
Ontario, Canada

Dear Dr. Taylor,

It is my understanding that you will be invloved in the study and manufacture of redout electronics for the Large Hadron Collider at CERN for future, even more powerful proton collision experiments. I have written many letters to different Government officials asking about Canada’s involvement in this experimentation.

I am a deeply concerned citizen. My concern is in the great potential risks involved in particle collider experimentation, especially those relating to the Large Hadron Collider at CERN. This could be potentially catastrophic research. I have done an extreme amount of research myself on the subject and have some science background, although I do not claim to completely understand quantum or molecular physics. The scientists involved seem to be slpit on the potential hazards according to their theories and even Einstein’s theories show that there are risks.

Even if the risks are extremely low, is it not our obligation to study this further to be sure it is absolutely safe for mankind? The unknowns are great and even the scientists involved don’t know for sure what could happen once these protons collide.

Can you shed some light on this for me? Time is running out. They are soon planning to collide these proton particles. Two beams of protons travelling at opposite directions, each travelling at near the speed of light and gaining huge mass as they reach these speeds. Thousands of protons if I’m not mistaken? The scientists say this happens in our upper atmosphere, but to me it sounds like they are creating the perfect conditions for this to occur in the LHC. Nature is not perfect and I find it hard to believe that these exact conditions occur around us already with naturaly occuring protons travelling at these speeds. Let alone so close to the population.

From what I’ve reasearched and what the scientist are saying at this point in time, I am fully opposed to this experimentation until we know much, much more. Experiments go wrong. You would know that as a scientist. Can we afford such a catastrophic experiment to go wrong? You as a scientist of physics and others like you need to do more study on this before colliding the building blocks of matter. Just think of the job security!

Respecfully Yours,
An extremely concerned citizen and father of six,
Mr. Frank Dusome
Victoria Harbour, Ontario

I found this interesting website on the subject, http://www.LHCdefense.org
Are we going too far?

This experiement is possible one of the most importabt experiements in our history…..it could uncover so many things that woujld explain the most important of questions: “Who are we and what is the meaning of all this.”

Ted, Aaron, physics student, chai, Chris, Ryan, Invader Zim, Erik in Sd, Adam Sheherdson, David, Matt and the ATLAS physicist – you give me hope for a further evolved humanity….people who post these ignorant comments without doing their own research and taking the word of the media are foolish and close minded. Maybe those people should do a little research before they make themselves looks like morons.

Thinkaboutit, Wally, S. Callahan and Donna Borelli – I dont even have to comment on your ignorance and lunacy…..you speak for yourself.

Next time you eat a supersized event, be afraid, hyper afraid.
Newer happened, exactly the same, in our event horizon.
Coupled to other event horizons, via hidden secret dimensions,
God particles, to be let loose, in the trap door, under your floor.

God will change the processes in the Universe, to protect God’s new pet.
The next supersized sound, not a burp, but the sound of an mplosion,
Thunder of a dunderhead, sucked into a special Black Mini Cow Hole.

Once this fear passes, it will be on to Nibiru approaching around 2012. There is always some disaster waiting to happen that brings out those who are afraid of everything. Some of these people make me nervous in the fact that they can reproduce. I’m sorry, but lighten up people.

Of course, there are some of these that are just trolls. They’re will always be them.

No one knows how to blow up Nibiru. Not ewen in theory.
After new particles found, will a theory provide a design to end Nibiru ?

Let’s kill all scientists and climb back to tree. If we never would have climbed down from tree everything would be perfect and there would be bananas for all.

According to the MWI interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, if we’re still around after the LHC starts up, then we should al mourn the loss of our doubles on the parallel Earth. (Apologies to Everett & DeWitt.)

“Quantum Mechanics was born out of a series of experiments whose results even today have no satisfactory explanation”

More results needed, not just multitude universes, that exist in theory only.
There has to be interaction, outside, not just inside the imagination.
Collisions to probe what is outside normal, predictable obserwables.
Black matter, dark energy, just cosmological fudge factors ?
Black Holes, suspected, not directly prowed, or obserwed
A tiny Quantum window to the cosmology, universe of our existance ?

with all the religiousness on here, i find it funny how all these christians and religious zealots are bashing this thing as it may bring about the book of revelations….why i find it funny is they should be excited, they get to go ‘home’ right? I mean my understanding of their religion is they get raptured before the end anyway, so what is there to fear really? This is a science experiment, nothing more nothing less. No need to fear, and there’s so much to learn from something like this. If we do find the answers, we’ll have fewer questions. I personally like the fact I wasn’t consulted in firing the LHC up because I know very little about it but based on what I’ve been reading, I genuinely feel there’s no threat to us.

“I genuinely feel there’s no threat to us.”

Standing still is the danger, as stampede of events stomp us to death.
The collider promotion is prompting reason to look at the hidden fears.
Seweral years at 14 TeV then a race to build a 100 TeV ?

What if this is how every black hole in the universe was created?

“”What if this is how every black hole in the universe was created?”

Black holes are only theory predicted, unknown inside, predicted to evaporate, not observation confirmed (something small, extreme gravity calculated from observation). Concept is the event horizon.
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/end.html

We know for shure ,100% not the end, if laws are universe consistent.
No one can prove, if God observing, sees 2 headed pink elephant stomping on blue mouse, miracle zaps only the blaspheming color planet to hole black heaven or hell. We are safe if we kill all blue mice ?

I have one question for all of the religious nutters posting on this story. If god is all powerful and all that jazz, then why take opposition to ANYTHING that happens in this world? Be it evolution, the LHC destroying the universe, abortion, porn, or bad hair days?

I mean, if god let it happen, then surely isnt the hapening obviously part of ‘his plan’?

Should have bought a new aircraft carrier with the money and attacked some random country.

Thanks Darth Bush — the newest US carrier cost only $4.5 billion, and it’s got the same last name as you: The USS George HW Bush. PD

OH NO!

We have been caught building a doomsday machine.

It will start a black hole and suck up all the Creationists.

Those that are left can get back to making war as God intended!

Only God particle can creatively, FaithArtistically, MiracleLocally.
Those without Faith, will just have to do with the regular universal laws.

Stargate to Niburu, is the real purpose of the Large Hadron Collider.
Satan, antiChrist, Nepharin, HellGate, you thought Pandora’s Box was bad ?

People ask what is the point of these giants machines. Well we got the INTERNET from them, MRI machines, PET scanners (PET scaners use ANTI-MATTER that is cool). The US should have built the SSC back in the 90’s that would have been a mammoth 100km ring, nearly 4 times the size of the LHC. If we know how the universe works than we know how to manipulate it or control it. Imagine FTL travel, or wormholes to other galaxies. WOW

isn’t there something more important to discuss than a machine built like a black hole

“i’m just excited that this will further exclude god and religion from conversation.”

haha. typically narrowminded atheism at its best.

pull your head out of your arse scott. it may answer those questions with even more questions, you ever think of that?

Rember the 1st law of themodynamics “mater (or energy) can nethier be created of destroy only transfered from one form to another”