Comments on: Keeping them honest: How bad was Ike? http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/keeping-them-honest-how-bad-was-ike/ Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:16:01 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: c http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/keeping-them-honest-how-bad-was-ike/#comment-9663 c Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:51:55 +0000 http://cnnscitech.wordpress.com/?p=1231#comment-9663 And the people that are defending this by saying other people live in bad areas..YES they do.. But there is no government help for these people. NO insurance they can buy cheap. They pay for that risk. People that live on the coast in a area prone to hurricanes, buy cheap insurance from the government that assures they can and do re build right back in the same spot. If it cost as much as it should, or if people had to rebuild at their own expense, I bet there would be very few homes built in areas like this. I bet very few people would think it was such a "OK" thing to do if they had to keep paying for it themselves. All of you that defend this, need to think in terms of common sense. If this were not picked up by the tax payer and fixed, who in their right minds would sink it all into a home built in an area like this?? Only the super rich who could afford a throw away home. And you know, not many rich people are so willing to toss a home in the ocean either. But with the insurance they can buy the fun of living there is worth the risk. And the people that are defending this by saying other people live in bad areas..YES they do..
But there is no government help for these people. NO insurance they can buy cheap.
They pay for that risk.
People that live on the coast in a area prone to hurricanes, buy cheap insurance from the government that assures they can and do re build right back in the same spot.
If it cost as much as it should, or if people had to rebuild at their own expense, I bet there would be very few homes built in areas like this.
I bet very few people would think it was such a "OK" thing to do if they had to keep paying for it themselves.
All of you that defend this, need to think in terms of common sense.
If this were not picked up by the tax payer and fixed, who in their right minds would sink it all into a home built in an area like this??
Only the super rich who could afford a throw away home.
And you know, not many rich people are so willing to toss a home in the ocean either.
But with the insurance they can buy the fun of living there is worth the risk.

]]> By: c http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/keeping-them-honest-how-bad-was-ike/#comment-9662 c Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:34:06 +0000 http://cnnscitech.wordpress.com/?p=1231#comment-9662 I am sorry these people lost their homes. But it is inevitable, you can't expect to build in an area like this and not be wiped out at some point. Yet the government sells them insurance that is cheap and allows them to do this over and over again. It is ridiculous..They have the advantage and luxury of living on the beach and the tax payers build them a new home after it is wiped out. New roads, elec. water.. It is all paid for... Each and every time it happens.. Thats not right. I am sorry these people lost their homes. But it is inevitable, you can't expect to build in an area like this and not be wiped out at some point. Yet the government sells them insurance that is cheap and allows them to do this over and over again.
It is ridiculous..They have the advantage and luxury of living on the beach and the tax payers build them a new home after it is wiped out.
New roads, elec. water.. It is all paid for...
Each and every time it happens..
Thats not right.

]]> By: Franko http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/keeping-them-honest-how-bad-was-ike/#comment-9394 Franko Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:09:53 +0000 http://cnnscitech.wordpress.com/?p=1231#comment-9394 Competition is needed. NASA can predict the climate decades ahead Cuban military, can do better with their laptops ? Another case of "Totally Wrong" ? Competition is needed. NASA can predict the climate decades ahead
Cuban military, can do better with their laptops ?
Another case of "Totally Wrong" ?

]]> By: S. Cotton http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/keeping-them-honest-how-bad-was-ike/#comment-9392 S. Cotton Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:13:48 +0000 http://cnnscitech.wordpress.com/?p=1231#comment-9392 People living in areas (like Bolivar) have two ways to get out, Hwy 87 and the Bolivar Ferry. They were told a mandatory evacuation order would go into effect at 7:00 am Thursday Sept 11th, and the ferry would discontinue running no later than 11:00 pm that night. Good planning provides a 72 hour window to evacuate people. These people were effectively given 16 hours to evacuate. Due to the size of this storm, it did not take long for water to begin going over Hwy 87. Taking this into consideration, I have to wonder if there were people that would have evacuated but couldn't due to the short window of time given. Yes, I realize that 16 hours seems like a huge amount of time to someone who has never prepared their house for a hurricane and then evacuated on to a road or ferry with 100's (in the case of some areas, this would be thousands/millions) of other people. However, 16 hours is a drop in the bucket. In reality, they should have been given 72 hours. Unfortunately, weather forecasters have not reached a point where they can tell us "exactly" where a storm will land, so people are not always given 72 hours to evacuate. People living in areas (like Bolivar) have two ways to get out, Hwy 87 and the Bolivar Ferry. They were told a mandatory evacuation order would go into effect at 7:00 am Thursday Sept 11th, and the ferry would discontinue running no later than 11:00 pm that night. Good planning provides a 72 hour window to evacuate people. These people were effectively given 16 hours to evacuate. Due to the size of this storm, it did not take long for water to begin going over Hwy 87. Taking this into consideration, I have to wonder if there were people that would have evacuated but couldn't due to the short window of time given. Yes, I realize that 16 hours seems like a huge amount of time to someone who has never prepared their house for a hurricane and then evacuated on to a road or ferry with 100's (in the case of some areas, this would be thousands/millions) of other people. However, 16 hours is a drop in the bucket. In reality, they should have been given 72 hours. Unfortunately, weather forecasters have not reached a point where they can tell us "exactly" where a storm will land, so people are not always given 72 hours to evacuate.

]]> By: Franko http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/keeping-them-honest-how-bad-was-ike/#comment-9390 Franko Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:19:42 +0000 http://cnnscitech.wordpress.com/?p=1231#comment-9390 "events like this keep stupid under control" Stupid is not dumb. Knows the truth, but has faith, does the wrong. Highway speed deaths, another result Accurate predicting is the issue. NOAA into all kinds of things Mission creep, cooking advise, how to crack an egg, next ? Nose to the hurricane grindstone, just super gaming on the computer ? "events like this keep stupid under control"
Stupid is not dumb. Knows the truth, but has faith, does the wrong.
Highway speed deaths, another result

Accurate predicting is the issue. NOAA into all kinds of things
Mission creep, cooking advise, how to crack an egg, next ?
Nose to the hurricane grindstone, just super gaming on the computer ?

]]> By: Patrick http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/keeping-them-honest-how-bad-was-ike/#comment-9387 Patrick Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:51:26 +0000 http://cnnscitech.wordpress.com/?p=1231#comment-9387 OK so the storm was less than expected ... yet 67 still died and I think 300 people are still missing. Why? Because they didn't evacuate... I don't know how many times I heard 'expect certain death' from officials yet people still didn't evacuate. I hate to be cruel... but stupid is as stupid does... at least events like this keep stupid under control. OK so the storm was less than expected ... yet 67 still died and I think 300 people are still missing.

Why? Because they didn't evacuate... I don't know how many times I heard 'expect certain death' from officials yet people still didn't evacuate.

I hate to be cruel... but stupid is as stupid does... at least events like this keep stupid under control.

]]> By: Larry http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/keeping-them-honest-how-bad-was-ike/#comment-9386 Larry Thu, 02 Oct 2008 15:38:52 +0000 http://cnnscitech.wordpress.com/?p=1231#comment-9386 Woodie shouldn't be stupid about living in Georgia where there is no water and no gas. But just for the record, the article mentions not being able to survive in Bolivar if you were in the house and it got wiped out. Well two men did survive. The storm surge pushed them all the way across the bay, about 5 to 10 miles, where they were left stuck in the debris from the storm. One was able to walk away, the other was discovered over 36 hours later and is still in the hospital. Woodie shouldn't be stupid about living in Georgia where there is no water and no gas.

But just for the record, the article mentions not being able to survive in Bolivar if you were in the house and it got wiped out. Well two men did survive. The storm surge pushed them all the way across the bay, about 5 to 10 miles, where they were left stuck in the debris from the storm. One was able to walk away, the other was discovered over 36 hours later and is still in the hospital.

]]> By: Woodie, ATL, GA http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/keeping-them-honest-how-bad-was-ike/#comment-9385 Woodie, ATL, GA Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:26:41 +0000 http://cnnscitech.wordpress.com/?p=1231#comment-9385 People shouldn't build houses on the shore like this. If they do, they need to consider them disposable and they should leave immediately when a hurricane is discovered. You can't be stupid about this. People shouldn't build houses on the shore like this. If they do, they need to consider them disposable and they should leave immediately when a hurricane is discovered. You can't be stupid about this.

]]> By: S. Cotton http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/keeping-them-honest-how-bad-was-ike/#comment-9384 S. Cotton Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:29:07 +0000 http://cnnscitech.wordpress.com/?p=1231#comment-9384 Andrew Maloof needs to go talk to the people that lost everything along the Texas Gulf Coast. I have lived in this are for over 40 years, and this is the worst storm I have encountered here. I have friends that have lost their entire house due to storm surge, while others sustained major damage due to the wind. I'm tired of the national media and our political leaders downplaying what Ike did to many counties. I guess it's easier for the press to report on a small location like New Orleans, especially when there isn't much going on news wise (unfortunately Ike hit during an election year and our economy is tanking), verses a large area of many counties. Perhaps if the media and our leaders hadn't downplayed the situation, there would be more professionals looking for missing people. Instead, areas hardest hit are left with only a handful of people looking, and the "promise" of more help to come. Andrew Maloof needs to go talk to the people that lost everything along the Texas Gulf Coast. I have lived in this are for over 40 years, and this is the worst storm I have encountered here. I have friends that have lost their entire house due to storm surge, while others sustained major damage due to the wind. I'm tired of the national media and our political leaders downplaying what Ike did to many counties. I guess it's easier for the press to report on a small location like New Orleans, especially when there isn't much going on news wise (unfortunately Ike hit during an election year and our economy is tanking), verses a large area of many counties. Perhaps if the media and our leaders hadn't downplayed the situation, there would be more professionals looking for missing people. Instead, areas hardest hit are left with only a handful of people looking, and the "promise" of more help to come.

]]> By: RobinA in Houston http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/keeping-them-honest-how-bad-was-ike/#comment-9377 RobinA in Houston Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:57:18 +0000 http://cnnscitech.wordpress.com/?p=1231#comment-9377 Ray G. you are right on the money. The storm surge on Ike was the scariest thing I've ever seen recorded on tv and I've been in several hurricanes (Carla, Beulah, Celia, Allison, Gustav & now Ike). I'm not sure that the Texas coast has had a storm surge like that since the 1900 Galveston hurricane. People just didn't realize how bad it was going to be. They said in the paper that altho it was a Cat 2, Ike acted like a Cat 4. My heart really goes out to all those people on the islands - my prayers are with them. Ray G. you are right on the money. The storm surge on Ike was the scariest thing I've ever seen recorded on tv and I've been in several hurricanes (Carla, Beulah, Celia, Allison, Gustav & now Ike). I'm not sure that the Texas coast has had a storm surge like that since the 1900 Galveston hurricane. People just didn't realize how bad it was going to be. They said in the paper that altho it was a Cat 2, Ike acted like a Cat 4. My heart really goes out to all those people on the islands – my prayers are with them.

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