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October 22, 2008

Nuclear power: seeing less political fission these days

Posted: 11:30 AM ET

From the Society of Environmental Journalists' annual conference in Roanoke, Virginia:

Is nuclear power making a comeback?

After being battered by its own missteps, near-calamities, strong opposition and financial overruns, the nuclear power industry is showing increased signs of emerging from a three-decade coma in the U.S.

Many are giving a second look to the U.S.. nuke industry, including longtime skeptics on the lookout for alternatives to fossil fuels.  Here at SEJ's annual conference, there's a livelier-than-usual discussion about nuclear power as a part of the solution to America's energy woes.  One of the most prominent voices here calling for a nuclear power revival was R.K. Pachauri, who as Chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change shared the Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore last year.

Right now, the U.S. gets just under 20% of its electricity from nukes, and about half from coal.  Natural gas is good for nearly another 20% of energy generation, with oil, hydro, wind, and solar contributing most of the last 10%.  To listen to the rosy projections a half century ago, nuclear would have provided power "too cheap to meter" from over 400 reactors by the year 2000.

We topped out at just beyond 100 reactors total when Wall Street got cold feet from the risk, the opposition, and the above-average costs of boiling water by splitting atoms.  The 1979 near-meltdown at Three Mile Island, Pennsylvania put the chill on the industry, and the disaster at the Soviet reactor in Chernobyl, Ukraine seven years later brought on the deep freeze.  Nuclear advocates didn't help their cause by acting like the shark-denying mayor of Amity Island in the movie "Jaws."  No new reactor orders were placed in the U.S. for three decades.

But the permit requests are trickling in, and in this election season, the candidates are hopping aboard the nukewagon:   Obamas cautiously supports new licensing (his home state of Illinois hosts eleven reactors, more than any other state).  McCain gets more specific, targeting 45 new reactors by the year 2030 - a goal many say is unrealistic.   With the industry in cold shutdown and steel manufacturing pulling up stakes in the U.S., we don't make reactors any more, and would have to wait in a long, long line to order reactor vessels from the steelworks in Japan.

The nuke industry's arguments are piling up: Thirty years of relatively safe operation with no major incidents; improving technology; and a measure of liberation from fossil fuels, imports, and greenhouse-gas emissions.  Its public front is now a lot more polished than back in the Mayor-from-"Jaws" days, and they're much better positioned to argue against nuclear opponents, some of whom are falling back on hidebound, reactionary, dubious arguments. 

But the questions haven't gone away:

The industry still has no answers to ensure safe storage of nuclear waste, potentially dangerous for thousands of years.  Britain and France reprocess spent fuel and re-use the recoverable material, but the reprocessing facilities at Sellafield, UK and La Hague, France have left a messy environmental legacy.  For the U.S., the designated site is Yucca Mountain, Nevada.   Overruns at the Yucca Mountain site are measured in the billions, and the delays are into the decades, with commercial nukes continuing to store their own waste on site across the country.   And the desert site north of Las Vegas has a powerful home-state foe in Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, so there's little chance of action there soon.

The world is a more dangerous place than it was 30 years ago.  Spreading nuclear fuel always leaves the risk of spreading nuclear weapons to those who would be eager to use them.

Also, many nuclear arguments overlook the continuing, shameful legacy of uranium mining.  Los Angeles Times reporter Judy Pasternak did a remarkable series of stories last year on the widespread damage to human health and the environment in the US Southwest last year.

So what's your take?   Is it a fair trade to swap the risks for a weapon against global warming and an increase in electrical capacity?  Or are nukes still too hot and costly to revive?

–Peter Dykstra Executive Producer, CNN Science, Tech, & Weather

Filed under: Energy • Environment


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Franko   October 22nd, 2008 11:45 am ET

CO2, plant food, a pollutant; Dangerous greenhouse gas..
People are made mostly of H2O.
Even greater danger of a greenhouse gas, than CO2

Critical mass. Posiive water vapor feedback,
Triggered by the Nuclear Power water towers
Stick with the cheapest, burn Coal .

David l Gibson   October 22nd, 2008 12:05 pm ET

As a person who was employed by a large A/E firm in the area of start-up and testing of new nuclear power plants I am glad to see a renewed intrest in the construction of new plants. Before seeking employment in this field I did extensive reseach into the safety of these plants . I never worried about contamination or accidents while working in the field. The only concern I had is the one that has still not been solved, what to do with the waste from these plants. I do believe that this problem can be solved and that we need to start building new plants. They are safe and they do not contribute to the greenhouse gas problem and if we adopt the "standard plant" costs can be brought way down.
D.L (Hoot) Gibson

RoadKill   October 22nd, 2008 12:10 pm ET

We need clean power. In the last few decades, the nuclear power industry has made great strides. Yes, it is high-tech, expensive, and just a stepping stone to even cleaner energy, but we need it. Like many industries, we have allowed ourselves to falter in, America must get back in to the lead on nuclear power.

Ted   October 22nd, 2008 12:10 pm ET

Those of us who have ever worked in the Navy's nuclear power program have known for decades that nuclear power is safe, and Asian and European countries have showed the rest of the world that nuclear power can be cheaper, and don't nesessarily fueled with Uranium.

Another point: the statement about the U.S. not building reactor vessels any longer isn't completely accurate; every reactor vessel on every nuclear powered submarine, aircraft carrier, and cruiser was built, and is being built right here in the United States.

Let's get those new designs on the drawing board and get to building- coal, natural gas, and oil aren't going to last forever, and there are plenty of fissile materials that can be mined and utilized to power the U.S. into a more green future.

Steve- Connecticut   October 22nd, 2008 12:12 pm ET

Positive Water Vapor Feedback? As a Nuclear Operator with over 38 years of experience, I haven't heard that before. More Coal Plants have Cooling Towers than Nuclear plants. The Plant I work at in CT doesn't have Cooling Towers. What cost is worth Air Pollution? People are always shown pictures of cooling towers and associate it with Nuclear Power. They are used by many plants where supplies of cooling water are low. They just recycle the water as much as possible.

Arthur   October 22nd, 2008 12:13 pm ET

The development of nuclear power, compared to the abortion of fossile power, still, even with Chernobyl and TMI combined, has resulted in less death and environmental destruction worldwide, than the bastardization of death and destruction reeked upon only one country by oil production. Now keep in mind, that's comparing the ENTIRE nuclear world POWER history to merely the OIL PRODUCTION! The choice is obvious to even the most casual observer as to which is safer: nuclear is safer. Which is cleaner...even without long term (hundreds of years) storage completed, nuclear utilities have identified more than adequate nuke waste storage capabilities; which lead to even cleaner environmental results than ever. I am looking out of my window today comparing the six smokestacks of "dirtburners" (fossile fuel power plants) and at the containment buildings of two of the oldest nuclear power plants in the United States. Guess which is producing less emissions than that automobile of yours? The nuclear plant is emitting ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except over 1400 Megawatts of pure clean electricity. One refueling every 18 months, on the average, versus the massive tanks of fuel being sucked down by the fossile burners.

It is irresponsible and immorale to not push nuclear power in the United States.

Art   October 22nd, 2008 12:18 pm ET

Coal burning produces CO, CO2, black particulates, and wasted heat. Coal mining has killed more people due to mine collapse than the entire nuclear power industry ever has.

Nuclear saves lives, the environment, and therefore money.

shiftyjim   October 22nd, 2008 12:32 pm ET

With regards to unwanted people getting their hands on waste for nuclear weapons: If we reprocess our own spent fuel isn't it unlikely that anything usable can be obtained by the final waste?

With regards to coal: The mining process is very disruptive to the local environment. In addition what can be said about the refining process or the afore mentioned mining processes of coal? What kind of waste and disruption to the environment do we see from this activity? Strip mining is not a pretty sight.

I think we should ernestly move forward with respects to increasing our use of nuclear power.
1.) cleaner emissions.
2.) less dependence on fossil fuels
3.) the increased use will spark newer technologies that will make the process more efficient and possibly lead to new technology all together
4.) building, running, and maintaining new plants will create lots of new jobs.
5.) while the up front cost to build the plant is significantly higher, the actual cost to produce the electricity is much, much less. While it will be unlikely that we will see lower costs for electricity up front, I believe nuclear power will keep utility costs down especially as fossil fuel sources dwindle. This may not be seen in our lifetime, or our childrens lifetime, but certainly in times to come.

Ben   October 22nd, 2008 12:32 pm ET

The U.S. Navy has operated hundreds of nuclear reactors very safely for half a century. I live in Norfolk where nuclear powered Navy submarines and aircraft carriers come and go into and out port every day. There is no doubt nuclear power can be provided safely. The Navy has proven that.

Consider how many people are killed in coal mine accidents as well as the environmental impact of emissions from coal plants. Clearly coal is not the long term solution to growing energy demands. Solar and wind power seem very attractive due to no raw material cost and benign environmental impact, but those sources can not provide baseline energy needs. Natural gas has some advantages, but no more petro-chemical fuels are being made and extraction costs for remaining supplies of those fuels are going up.

The best long term solution is not nuclear energy by splitting atoms (fission), but orders of magnitude more energy by combining hydrogen, the most abundant element on the earth (fussion). We do not have the technology yet to make fussion a practical energy alternative, but we need to aggressively pursue that technology now. The future of our children deserve our best efforts, not short sighted crisis management of energy supplies.

Mike   October 22nd, 2008 12:59 pm ET

Nuclear power is and always has been the best producer of electric power. There is no comparison when you look at the total volume of waste left after running a nuclear power plant for 30 years vs running the same sized coal plant for the same number of years. The pile of hazardous fly ash would be huge. We, as a country need to start reprocessing our spent nuclear fuel and embrace new technologies that take the spent fuel, reburn it in a different reaction, and turn it into something that will be safe in hundreds of years instead of thousands of years. No more burning dirt for power.

Bart   October 22nd, 2008 12:59 pm ET

Solar panels on every business roof top and small wind turnbines on businesses and homes. This would supply a great deal of energy with little enviroment effect. Franko doesn't take into account the great amount of energy produced by Nuclear compared to Coal. I believe we need to take every step we can to minimize our use of Coal and Nuclear. Why not build a new industry by putting money into solar and wind and we should see vast improvements in the technology as we did with computers. Instead of sending our money to Japan for nuclear reactors to be built, keep the money here and invest in solar and wind to lead the world in this technology.

Tom   October 22nd, 2008 1:01 pm ET

Nuclear is the way to go as a priority. The technology is proven, and designs are ready. Electricity can be produced 24/7. Building and running reactors creates jobs that must be in the US, and could stimulate dying construction related industries. The next energy shortage after gas for vehicles will be electricity. If the US is to lead, it must be an electricity exporter as well as consumer.

All fossil fuels are in long-term limited abundance. New solar techniques are coming along, and will be important/useful in the Sunbelt. Biofuels have questionable returns (land for food vs biofuel) in the long run. Therefore, we need to increase the use of nuclear energy while moving forward on other technologies and improving resourcing of oil.

Unrelenting Truth   October 22nd, 2008 1:01 pm ET

Please, look at the "new" technology (developed in the 1960's) of Pebble Bed nuclear reactors and write a meaningful piece on nuclear technology as it is TODAY; cheap, clean, and safe. Compare that to the millions of tons of mercury, uranium, and *gasp*, carbon dioxide released each year by burning coal, and the superiority of PBNR energy should be evident.

Frederick Nelson   October 22nd, 2008 1:03 pm ET

Nuclear power generation is technologically flawed. The large scale (1 million) mega watt reactors produce neutron flux too great for for the stainless steel to withstand and hence consequently pipes leak. This is because the constituents of the steel absorb neutrons and become other elements and weaken the steel. The lower level reactors were upscaled without looking at the neutron flux problem and the nuclear processing of spent fuel.

The efficiency of the generation of electricity is much lower than traditional NON RADIOACTIVE instilling energy production. The costs are above traditional electricity generation when you calculate storage of radioactive used fuel elements, their processing which increases plutonium stores, the coast of retirement of old reactors and containment building, and the potential for a melt down increases with each increase in reactors.

Let us first increase efficiency of the non nuclear electrical generation,
increase CO2 entrapment and decrease burning of carbon based fuels before going to nuclear power electrical generation which is only good for 20-30 years for each plant.

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Phil   October 22nd, 2008 1:04 pm ET

Nuclear power is great, but we have to get back to reprocessing spent fuel rods like the French do. Jimmy Carter conceded this during the SALT talks almost 30 years ago. I think it's time to revisit this. After reprocessing and reuse of the repocessed fuel you're left with a low level radioactive residue with a half life of maybe 100 years. The French design is also safe and effecient.

Brian   October 22nd, 2008 1:09 pm ET

Do more research before writing!

First off, Three Mile Island was an incident that needed addressing, but it was not a near meltdown by any means.

Secondly, the reason why no new nuclear power plants have been built recently was the governmental procedures required for doing so. These procedures have only recently been revamped. Before the change about two years ago, the power plant investors had to get the permits to build, build the power plant, and not until after it was built could they apply for a permit to operate the power plant. In other words, millions of dollars could be spent to design and build a power plant, but then there was a risk that it could not be used. Power plants that can't be run are not very practical. These power plants take longer to plan and build than an adminstration is in office, so no one with half a brain was going to take that financial risk.

S Callahan   October 22nd, 2008 1:10 pm ET

would that be 'clean coal'?
Seriously, I agree we shouldn't go that route....we really need to go with natural forces (wind power, solar)..with all the scientific knowledge out there I'm sure new things are being created to harvest from nature (wind sun) cost effectively. I know my state now has wind farms..though the sound, I've heard, is what agitates others..so that would be an issue to work on....

Pigeon   October 22nd, 2008 1:10 pm ET

Franko, less drinking more thinking, OK!

I think that some of your arguments against nuclear hold little to no weight. The spent fuel that is being stored at all the stations around the US is not of the proper enrichment to be used as a weapon! It is simply very radioactive material. In addition like you say it is all being kept on the site of each station. Think about that! These plant have been operating for 30 to 40 years and all of their waist can be stored at each site. Hardly very much waist wouldn’t you say? I wonder how much space would be needed to contain all the dirty exhaust from coal fire plants for 30 years. Oh wait we do store it, right next to our O-Zone holes.

Listen, water is a natural shield for radiation. At each nuclear site you will find a deep pool about the size of your community pool. All the spent fuel is kept in this pool with about 35 ft of water between the surface and the tops of the rods. It is perfectly safe to go in and look down at the fuel as it rests there from its labor, not too mention is has a neat blue glow. So though Yucca Mnt would have been a good place to store it, it is all perfectly safe were it is.

Oh and we don't really want to talk about mining do we? I won't even go into the comparison between the little amount of Uranium Mining and the ridicules amounts of Coal Mining. Trust me, more have died going after the black stuff by far!

Barring any amazing new break through in power generation, I will place my support to Nuclear. Not to mention that it takes over 800 employees to operate a nuclear plant (JOBS JOBS JOBS) and around 30 for the alternative facilities, did I mention that Nuclear is cheaper per Kilo Watt!

frank m   October 22nd, 2008 1:12 pm ET

Nukes are not the answer. Besides the normal rhetoric they use over 1 billion gallons of water each year which is also a growing problem in the U.S. The amount of money to build and operate these plants if put into our current energy infrastructure and Wind Turbines would be much less expensive and a whole lot quicker answer to the question.
With a high voltage D.C. backbone across the U.S. where as we can balance loads of electric based on peak demand time zones and wind generation load leveling would be much cheaper and quiicker.
Follow the money is a good addage in all of thiAsk for and receive real estimates of cost and timing from Nuclear advocates and non advocates and balance out . Jobs are a big issue coming up. The U.S. has no nuclear building industry so we have to go to France or japan for our plants as stated. Wind turbines and infrastructure can all be built here and the jobs will be here.

From Philly   October 22nd, 2008 1:19 pm ET

I think the environmental factors of both fission power and fossil fuel need to be compared side-by side. If the health hazards of one outweigh that of the other, then we should cautiously proceed with the better product. I’m guessing that’s going to be fission power. The radiation can be isolated, though there needs to be more regulation in uranium mining, waste storage and enforcement of new technology.

Also, the world is very close to producing fusion power, witch creates practically no radiation, creates water as the byproduct of the reaction and produces much more energy than that of a fission reactor. Projects like ITER and similar projects in the UK, US and China should be accelerated. Just think what the world would accomplish if it were able to form the same kinds of coalitions and contribute the same amount of funds for energy research and development as it does for war. The same thing can be said for all of our global problems.

Dan   October 22nd, 2008 1:24 pm ET

Nuclear Power is a good but not great alternative to bridge the gap between the technology we have available today and what we need for a sustainable future. We all understand the many problems with fossil fuels from their retrieval to their perceived and actual impact on the environment and health. Those who really understand the full picture know that solar, wind and other renewable are good in situations, but even the most liberal politicians like Kennedy and Kerry are outspoken advocates of the "not in my backyard" approach where they promote the technology but then fight its application anywhere near their homes. Nuclear, including solutions for reprocessing and long term disposal needs to be teamed up with renewable to create a comprehensive bridge to the future.

Once we have that we need to put more concerted efforts behind newer technologies. The media can and should be part of this. Instead of focussing so much effort on telling us how bad each choice is, how about talking more about projects like ITER where scientists are working to create the worlds most advanced nuclear fusion reactor. Imagine a technology where you feed water in, get oxygen and helium out oh, and as a byproduct you get enough energy to power our ever growing appetites. The problem is that technologies like this are optimistically 30 years off so in the meantime what is more dangerous to the Earth and its people, burning coal or splitting atoms?

Bob Darlington   October 22nd, 2008 1:27 pm ET

Get your facts straight. There was no near melt down at the Three Mile Island site. There was a very minor release of slightly radioactive gas from TMI. It was a safety incident so insignificant that it is hardly worth talking about.

T Ellis   October 22nd, 2008 1:28 pm ET

Nuclear energy currently represents 70% of the carbon dioxide free electricity generation in this country and if we are serious about reducing carbon dioxide emissions then we must expand nuclear energy for baseload generation. The other currently existing sources can help supplement but they cannot provide baseload electricity due to their intermittent nature (i.e. wind does not blow all the time nor does the sun shine all the time).

Brian Bundridge   October 22nd, 2008 1:32 pm ET

I would have to say that I wouldn't mind no more than 5 new Nuclear power plants but a stronger investment in Wind, Solar, Tidal, and Hydro energy should be done first and foremost.

The coastal lands of Washington, Oregon, and California would be prime for Wind power, inlets, like the Straight of Juan de Fuca‎ could be an excellent source for tidal power.

Until we can get near the Sim City age and build a Fusion power plant, these are really our only true alternatives. Off shore drilling will only help in the short term.

Another thing that would help dramatically – build an electrified network of rail corridors. Railroads and the trucking industry use the most fuel in the United States next to the Automobile.

Wisdom   October 22nd, 2008 1:34 pm ET

I just don't know if wind, solar can create enough to offset oil/coal...

Man... we burn a lot of fuel in this country...

rick   October 22nd, 2008 1:38 pm ET

And where do they propose to get fuel for all of these nuclear reactors? Uranium mines are showing lower outputs every year–hey, we're running out of this stuff too. Just like oil.

Bill McHale   October 22nd, 2008 1:40 pm ET

At least at the current time, there is no such thing as completely clean power. Even wind and solar have ecological footprints that are not particularly well understood at the current time (lets recall that a lot of exotic materials are used in solar cells that might have unknown effects on people and the environment). At the very least, to replace our current energy demands, let alone meet our future energy demands will demand that very large portions of our country will have to be filled with Solar and wind farms.

Coal, while plentiful and cheap has serious long term implications. Yes, CO2 is plant food, and if there were enough plants to use it all, then we would be fine, but there are not. further, coal often has plenty of contaminents in it that make it far more damaging to the global environment than all the nuclear power used in the last 50 years (including the dropping of A-bombs). Certainly, if we omit the use of Nuclear weapons on cities, nuclear power has killed far fewer in the last 60 years than coal power has.

Now, I am not saying we should simply start building nuclear power, but to dismiss it without serious consideration would be a big mistake. Particularly since there are some types in development that would be virtually impossible to melt down, and produce shorter lived waste products (look up Thorium Energy Pumps).


Bill

Daniel   October 22nd, 2008 1:47 pm ET

As a life-long anti-nuke.... I think we should consider the benefits but only if we can resolve the problems first. 1) Disposal.... Until that is really solved, we have no business creating more waste. 2) Safety/Security: We need to locate Nuke plants as fas as possible AWAY from population areas. So far (and due to the cost of transmission) the nuke plants are mostly near major population centers. Someday a major accident will contaminate millions of people. Granted, it may not be in the US, but it's bound to happen.

Note: Nukes are not low-cost generators. If you add the un-accounted for costs of waste and disaster potential, they are not even close to being cost-effective at this time.

None   October 22nd, 2008 1:48 pm ET

Comeon people, get with the program. stop the kick back at Yucca Mountain and bring back teh steel industry. wait for Japan, yeah right, build it at home. anything we need to build these reactors we should build at home, including the labor force to do it. Nukes are cheap to operate and provide much more electricity than we could ever get from the sun or wind. I'd rather live next to a nuke plant than a bunch of windwills, and here in Central IL i live next to both. I go skiing on clionton lake, used to cool the plant and have to stare at flashing lights from those ugly windmills. i say we build 100 nukes by 2012, and hire as many blue collar red blooded americans as it takes to get the job done.

Ken   October 22nd, 2008 1:51 pm ET

The problem is wind and even solar is not a fuel. We can't get it whenever we want it, wherever we want it. Nuclear can be located near every population center regardless of available wind or sun. We've wasted valuable time over the last 30 years. If we were using 80% nuclear, then despite our increased oil use, we would have been net negative on carbon emissions in the U.S. Yucca Mountain is a fine storage proposal that is well researched by respected scientists. It's not perfect, but far better than the other available solutions: local storage on site or reprocessing. We need to be rational humans and not be scared by complex processes - one coal mine has probabl killed more people directly and indirectly than all the nuclear reactors in the world

Brian Hall   October 22nd, 2008 1:54 pm ET

Build more nuclear plants. Solve nuclear "waste" problem without reprocessing by using deep burn technologies. Nuclear power is the greenest way to boost baseload capacity.

Interim solution:
Fuel rods from existing nuclear plants can be used again in Canadian-style CANDU reactors, without chemical or heat reprocessing. Ship them to Canada as fuel or build CANDU plants onsite at existing nuclear sites to burn the used fuel (DUPIC process).
http://www.niof.org/campaigns/dupic.htm

Long-term solution:
Develop and build molten salt thorium reactors (LFTRs). These reactors basically burn their own waste, leaving no long-lived nuclear byproducts. In addition, they generate industrial-grade process heat that can replace many uses of natural gas, and also can efficiently generate hydrogen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LFTR

W. Murphy   October 22nd, 2008 1:59 pm ET

First, thanks to CNN for posting a relatively balanced entry on nuclear.

I don't think it's political fever that's making lawmakers jump on any proverbial bandwagon. Instead, our leaders are following the public's increasing acknowledgement of nuclear power as a safe, secure, and reliable way of producing mass quantities of electricity with low carbon emissions. Note I didn't say zero; of course some carbon is emitted by mining uranium, building plants, etc., but those "net lifecycle" emissions are far lower than most any other power generation method out there.

Renewables are great, but they're not a silver bullet. The best renewables out there only work around 20% of the time (a phenomenon known as "capacity factor"). Nuclear isn't a silver bullet, either. Nuclear plants are highly capital-intensive projects and take many years to construct. However, only by wielding all practical methods of generation will we arrive at the best method of maintaining our way of life and reducing our carbon footprint at the same time. We owe no less an effort to our progeny.

William Stewart   October 22nd, 2008 2:03 pm ET

Currently there are some 442 nuclear reactors in the world with at least another 12 under construction in Asian countries, Brazil and Finland.
So what are advantages of nuclear energy?
Fissile atoms contain vast amounts of energy
No greenhouse gases are released by nuclear power plants.
Uranium is obtained from open-cut mines and is not expensive to mine. World reserves are estimated to last anywhere between 6 to 150 years.
There has not been any other incidents since Chernobyl. I would consider Nuclear power to be Relatively safe. All our submarines and aircraft carriers use nuclear power.

mark   October 22nd, 2008 2:19 pm ET

Just like they say drill, drill, drill. I also say nuke, nuke, nuke. They have always been a good way to go. Yes, some issues need to be worked out, but I think they are just below the radar now and with better technology, can easily be solved if they come to the forefront with new reactors. It will take a while to build and lot more and by that time many issues can be worked out. So I say drill, drill, drill and build, build, build. Nuclear can be controlled and understood with more research and experience.

Greg   October 22nd, 2008 2:24 pm ET

Does anyone know what is going on with nuclear fusion research? It was being touted as the future of power production but now you don't even hear about it.

Brad   October 22nd, 2008 2:33 pm ET

Liquid metal cooled fast breeder reactors with a closed fuel cycle are available today. With breeder technology the fuel supply is virtually inexhaustible . Fuel supply issue gone, waste issue gone, C02 issue gone. You just have to get over your Plutoniumphobia.

Mike   October 22nd, 2008 2:35 pm ET

If we would reprocess our spent fuel rods the way practically every other nuclear power producing country does, where to find fuel becomes much less of a problem. I agree, if we continue to not reprocess our spent fuel there is not enough uranium in the world to support a long-term U.S. nuclear power program, but if we reprocessed there is enough for centuries. Any serious U.S. nuclear program MUST include provisions for repealing the reprocessing ban currently in place.

Paul   October 22nd, 2008 2:37 pm ET

Nuclear power does not emit CO2, NOX, SOX gasses that cause acid rain and ozone deterioration. Unfortunately, President Carter's policy towards nuclear power has left the US high and dry. France is powered by 80% nuclear power. The current policy of a single pass use of uranium fuel rods (use and throw away) has allowed the US to stockpile more uranium in the cooling pools. ONLY 3% of the fissionable U235 is used up when the rods are removed from the core, that means 97% is still available for use. It is estimated the is currently enough uranium without additional mining to power the US for another 300 years. The word "recycling" comes to mind as other countries (France, England, Japan) are already doing this, but Carter's policy put us behind in the energy game.

Granted nuclear power is not the only answer, but it could definitely be a major substitute until solar (<8%) and wind are online. Unfortunately, the power output from these methods is not efficient enough yet to power city. We would have cover the state of oklahoma to generate enough electricity, but does not take into account redistribution across the US.

The bottom line is we need to develop our power grid and change our transportation methods by actually developing a national system of trains, trams and buses that run electricity rather than oil. We have to change our habits to conserve energy and quit wasting it away.

Interestingly to note that in addition to green house gases, the burning of coal release far more radioactive materials (Uranium, thorium, decay products) in the air and surrounding soils, which have been sited to cause higher rates of cancer, especially in children.

Pete   October 22nd, 2008 2:47 pm ET

Fuel a problem for a reactor?

Last time I checked, breeder reactors put out the same abount of heat (usable for power generation) as the non-breeder reactors currently used for power generation. Build one, then let IT make the fuel for the others.....

Little additional new fuel is needed (AFAIK).

jeremy   October 22nd, 2008 2:48 pm ET

Rick- where to get fuel? How about australia?

Yucca Mountain – could it have overrun its budget because the design criteria were dictated by politicians?

Seriously – this is a no-brainer. Nukes are the only answer to fossil fuel dependance in the forseeable future.
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Its much easier to police our own country than the whole world, so I think the waste argument is valid but not a deal-breaker.

Gary   October 22nd, 2008 2:50 pm ET

Did you know that the US is the only country in the world that tries to bury it's nuclear waste? You know why that is? Because it is a stupid idea! Nuclear fuel can be recycled and used 100 times!!!! After 50 years the remains are less dangerous to the environment then when the Uranium was dug up out of the ground! That's why every other country recycles it's nuclear fuel. (I heard the US doesn't be cause we thought if we don't no one else will and we don't want them to recycle fuel and potentially reclaim plutonium in the process. But everyone else recycles anyway because burying it is a waste and stupid.)

When the US grows up and stops trying to bury its nuclear waste the US will be able to have a real nuclear energy program.

colin   October 22nd, 2008 2:56 pm ET

nuclear fusion is a more likely candidate, although not ready to be implemented. it is based on the same principles as the reactions in the sun. a fusion of hydrogen isotopes produce helium. if more research and funding was placed into projects like ITER and DEMO, then the worldwide results would be profound. a near inexhaustible supply with little nuclear waste (50 years for the equipment only) and little potential for any dangerous accidents. please research it fully before you write it off. its power output and eventual cost of construction alone are reason enough to consider it. factor in its safety and this is the most logical next step.

Justin   October 22nd, 2008 3:14 pm ET

Yes nuclear energy is safe and effective, but with the exorbitant cost of the steel and concrete needed to build new plants as well as the huge environmental toll, I just don't see how it will be feasible. Expanding wind and solar farms, investing heavily in discovering and developing new technologies like clean coal, and encouraging energy efficient improvements through tax incentives and a cap and trade system is really the only solution.

Sensible   October 22nd, 2008 3:17 pm ET

"And where do they propose to get fuel for all of these nuclear reactors?"

Nuclear waste can easily be recycled into new fuel. There is fuel enough for thousands of years if we recycle.

Pat   October 22nd, 2008 3:24 pm ET

S Callahan, you have to realize that wind and solar are not adequate sources of base energy. There are no nuclear proponents who are against solar, wind, geothermal, hydro, etc..., but at this point and the foreseeable future, those renewables are not capable of replacing the energy coal and nuclear provide. If we are serious about the fight against global warming, nuclear has to be a part of the solution.

u say nucular   October 22nd, 2008 3:31 pm ET

We need to start building thermal or fast breeder reactors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_breeder_reactor). With these reactors more fissile material is produced than consumed. Once you have them up and running all they need is natural (non-radioactive) uranium or thorium (more abundant than uranium) to continue. They can use nearly all of their initial fissionable material (with on-site re-processing), resulting in less radioactive waste. Any waste that is produced has a significantly shorter half-life than what comes out of our current pressurized water reactors. The U.S. had a project that was canned in the 90s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_Fast_Reactor) which was a type of breeder reactor. This is the newer, safer generation of nuclear reactors which could replace all coal and natural gas power plants that are spewing out harmful amounts of gases and heavy metals.

chris   October 22nd, 2008 3:39 pm ET

1- Most of the problems with spent fuel storage are politically created, not science based.
2- There is a large supply of uraium, if the market is there to spur supply.
3- Nuclear fission energy is probably not a "forever solution" , but it could be a very good "100 year" solution to energy cost and indepenedence
4- The US invented and developed nuclear power. We should be able to return to the "top of the heap" if we choose to.
5 – The West, indeed the entire US, was won by people who had the gumption to "git'er done". Have we lost it?

Peggy - California   October 22nd, 2008 3:49 pm ET

The time has come to revive nuclear energy. We have learned a lot since Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. At that time, we did not have the technology to handle many of the problems involved. France, Sweden and Belgium now produce 50% or more of their electricity from nuclear power. The French produce a whopping 77% making them the leader in safety and energy self-sufficiency. We need to learn from what they have accomplished in the last 30 years, as well as many EU countries, Japan and Canada that have used nuclear power well. If we ever want to break the dependency on oil bearing countries that "hate us", wind and sun will never supply enough power. Did you know that wind powered turbines kill bats and birds at an alarming rate? A bat can eat 600 mosquitoes in one hour, so the loss of a few can have devistating consequences. We need to use our best long term option to solve our energy problems.

gordon   October 22nd, 2008 3:58 pm ET

What will Martin Sheen chain himself to, now that nuclear is OK with liberals?

steven   October 22nd, 2008 4:00 pm ET

We are not running out of uranium. Studies have show that we have enough uranium to last thousands of years even at the highest rates of usage. Even then, the Japanese have come up with ways to extract the trace amounts of uranium found in seawater and refine that. And when we have TONS of nuclear "waste" that can be reprocessed and used again, we are a long, LONG, way from running out of uranium fuel.

As far as the whole water vapor feed back, there are new reactor designs which are safe and do not use pressurized water in the reactor (i.e. Sodium reactors). Therefore the risk of another Chernobyl is eliminated altogether.

The only reason we have tons of nuclear waste is because we don't reprocess it. If we had reprocessing plants like those in Europe, we wouldn't have to be storing this stuff in a mountain. As far as the "Environmental legacy" the one in France has left behind, those plants have been around for awhile with the newest ones opening almost 20 years ago. We have cleaner ways of reprocessing nuclear fuel now days.

John   October 22nd, 2008 4:01 pm ET

No, we're running out because we won't reprocess the fuel. France does and gets most of its electricity from oil. If we reprocessed the used fuel rods there would be enough Uranium for thousands of years of power.

Mike   October 22nd, 2008 4:05 pm ET

Lower uranium mining output can be linked to the price and demand for uranium. At this point it is not as profitable to mine. With new reactors coming online the out put of uranium would increase. The USA has a large supply of uranium in several western states (Wyoming, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas).

I don't even know what Franko is talking about. Looks like bullet points. Burning coal produces more radioactive elements in the atmosphere than nuclear generation does. Uranium and other radioactive elements are found in coal. Solar, wind, and other alternatives are great ideas and will be beneficial in the future. The problem is that is in the future. Solar also puts out long lived dangerous chemicals just like nuclear. Nuclear energy provides the best technology to bridge the gap between current alternative technologies to future alternative base load production.

H   October 22nd, 2008 4:06 pm ET

Very interesting...I'm glad they've finally given up on how dangerous nuclear power plants are.

My father-in-law is a maintenance engineer at a nuclear power plant in Illinois. He had to have one of those medical tests done where they inject radiation into you to measure the uptake - he set off every alarm within 30 yards of the plant entrance for 2 weeks! What the medical community considers "safe" radiation is hundreds of times what the nuclear industry allows to enter or leave its facilities.

I'd personally like to see more discussion and attention be given to the idea to determine its viability in today's economy - I'd recommend moving forward on it, mainly to keep an eye on Russia and Venezuela nuclear partnerships.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080929/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_russia_nuclear_power_1

Shawn   October 22nd, 2008 4:07 pm ET

Solar cells are becoming more and more efficient, and one day, could be our energy solution, which would be fantastic. The only question is, is that day 10 years away, or 30? All the nuclear waste created in America since the 1950's would fit in a high school gym. Dingy Harry Reid needs to shut up and let Yucca proceed. It seems he believes Nevada's desert is priveledged over other deserts, despite the fact that much of the infrastructure is already in place. If reprocessing has become viable, let's do that too. We need to to throw the kitchen sink at our energy problems, doing what we can to meet needs, and address climate change by putting dirty coal power plants on the endangered species list. Nuclear is a ready bridge to the future of clean energy.

bob   October 22nd, 2008 4:09 pm ET

The article does a kinda half encouragement half dissuade type of presentation. It does not discuss the facts about all the nuclear power plants that have run for years with little or no problems. It does not discuss the difficulties in making weapons grade nuclear material out of regular old U-235. It also does not address the gains in management and operations learned from years of problem free operations on the Navy ships that have used nuclear power for decades. True the U.K. and France have problems with disposal of used fuel, however, they started early and made choices on the knowledge and beliefs of the time and have not been able to totally shut down and start over. Any disposal in today's world would have a headstart by building and learning from their early mistakes.

Kevin   October 22nd, 2008 4:11 pm ET

Wind is a viable technology as well as solar, especially for large cities with sky scrapers. To elaborate, there are many sites around the U.S. today that utilize several different functions, i.e. a water tower that doubles as a cell tower. Why not take this idea a little further by combining skyscrapers, wind turbines and solar panels. Place the wind turbine on top of the skyscraper (where winds are at the highest velocities) and have the glass panels be solar panels? Sure, you might not have that wonderful view from the office, but your company would definitely be able to afford your salary by completely cutting their energy expenses. Maybe that building would be able to produce enough electricity to contribute to the grid of the city around it. This way we don't have to deal with the non-renewable resources of coal, uranium or natural gas (which is sort of renewable when accounting for the growing landfills). Just an idea...just throwing it out there.

Ken in Dallas   October 22nd, 2008 4:23 pm ET

Reprocessing has been feasible for about forty years. The breeder reactor idea died because the result of reprocessing spent uranium fuel is plutonium, and plutonium is weapons-grade fissile material. It's not a technology issue, it's a proliferation issue.

We can do about half of what we need through application of more conservative technologies. The internal combustion engine is pitifully inefficient, for instance; by solving the power storage problem and moving personal transportation with electric vehicles, we reduce emissions even if the electricity comes from coal, because steam turbines, transmission lines, and electric motors, taken together, are still more efficient than a gasoline engine. Similar opportunities exist for building climate control systems: Earth-exchange heat pumps require less than half the power conventional air-exchange systems need.

By becoming more conservative in our use of power, we can become energy-independent at much lower cost than we can by just finding more sources of energy to squander.

After we harvest the obvious low-hanging fruit, nuclear power's a good option, but I'd like to see the US take up the fusion power challenge again. If we depend on fission reactors, we will eventually run out, but we'll never run out of hydrogen.

Robert   October 22nd, 2008 4:32 pm ET

We're seeing now that even if we start using less oil, OPEC is going to cut production to keep the price of oil high. They got a taste of $100 per barrel oil and they liked it!

We should use ALL available sources we have at our disposal to stop importing oil.

I personally think fusion is the long term answer and am glad to see international cooperation for the ITER fusion project. (google ITER)
It is long overdue.

In the mean time, any and all power producing methods should be employed to cut the flow of oil into the US, including nuclear power.
As a side effect of building a bunch of Nuclear plants maybe our steel industry would be revived.

greylock   October 22nd, 2008 4:34 pm ET

So you can understand where I am coming from – I have degrees in physics and nuclear engineering – I worked in the nuclear industry for about 12 years (out of about 35 years). Nuclear power, if you look at the larger picture (and don't cherry pick one segment of the industry) is the safest way to generate the amounts of power that need to be generated in the places it needs to be generated. NOTE: There are technical limits to how far the power generated in one place can be transmitted. There is a concept called power density, which relates to how much land it takes to generate how much energy. We cannot meet all of our demand off of the so called renewable energy sources. It takes vast areas to produce enough power from the windmills to replace ONE conventional power plant. And the windmills are deadly on migrating birds, so we can't locate them in the migratory "flyway" areas. And they drive peoplenuts if you locate the things close to inhabited areas. They do OK in West Texas, but dang near no one lives there. I have no grudge against renewable power, but anyone who tells you we need to replace conventional power with the renewables is talking through his hat. We need ALL of the available options – including nuclear – and we need them to come on line fairly soon. The "waste disposal problem" is solved – it has been for at least 20 years. If anyone tells you different they are either ignorant or lying. The only problem is political.

Henrietta   October 22nd, 2008 4:37 pm ET

There are 2 problems with nuclear energy, only one of which gets any attention, and very little at that.

Of primary concern is the waste involved. Until we can get a functional repository in place, by storing the nuclear waste on-site at each plant we're just urinating and defecating in 5 gallon buckets that we store in the back closet in our own homes, and those buckets are continuously deteriorating.

Of secondary concern is the plant design. Right now, every single nuclear plant in the U.S. is uniquely designed, costing as much in engineering as it does to actually construct the plants.

What we need is a single, functional plant design that can be replicated anywhere a nuclear power plant is needed. This will allow us to have a parts repository and operational doctrine that will work for all plants.

Until we can establish a standardized plant template, we're wasting endless money and resources.

Brian   October 22nd, 2008 4:40 pm ET

Yes, we should use more nuclear power and will have to if we seriously want to confront climate change. While there are still issues, these are minute compared to the true costs of climate change. Consider that if you got all your electricity from nuclear power over your entire life, the waste you would generate would fit into a soda can - this is without recycling, which could reduce that by a factor of 20.

With regards to fuel supply, there is plenty, over 100 year's worth without any recycling. Rick, I don't know where you got information that uranium mines are running out, but I can assure you that there is plenty left. Of course, if we recycle, we can extend this resource dramatically to last thousands of years. The issue, in the past has been isolating plutonium, but new chemical separation cycles avoid this issue. Today, the issue is raw economics. There is simply too much cheap uranium around to make it useful.

Alex Koby   October 22nd, 2008 4:43 pm ET

I agree with the idea of restarting the fusion program. With all of the advancements in quantum science the solution to our energy issue seems right in front of us, the sun. The sun uses fusion to create its energy and currently we ARE able to control a fusion reaction in labs. This country must invest more time and money into this technology because if we solve the fusion problem we will not only fix the energy crisis but we will also solidify our position as the world's leader.

Ed   October 22nd, 2008 4:46 pm ET

We can all thank the Carter Administration for putting a stop to nuclear reprocessing, and throwing us back to the stone ages. Breeder reactors produce electricty and continuosly make more of the uranium fissable. Only about 5% of the nuclear fuel used in the US nuclear reactors actually is converted to energy. That means almost 95% is tied up ,wasted, because we won't reprocess. Using the *waste* nuclear fuel we have already produced would be sufficient to keep the current set of reactors going for several hundred years. It would also get rid of the thread of terrorists stealing plutonium. Nuclear is the way of the future. No currently available energy source can produce as much electricty without the side effects (greenhouse gases).

Eric   October 22nd, 2008 4:54 pm ET

The time for Luddites is over. Nuclear power is safe, secure and reliable. BUT ... we must close the fuel cycle. The fuel must be reprocessed and the usable uranium and plutonium extracted for further use in power plants. To continue to dump over 90% of the usable uranium into waste piles because we are "afraid of proliferation" is wasteful and foolish. Jane, Tom, all you Holly-weirdo's - go make movies and leave us alone. We must get nuclear power on line now!!!!

Dave in Charleston, SC   October 22nd, 2008 4:56 pm ET

I for one, believe in the bridge concept for the use of nuclear power plants. I also believe we should leave no stone unturned in our quest to become not just energy independant (short sited view) but develope an energy source that can be used on a global level. I've lived closer to nuclear reactors than most people, USN sub service, I believe that they can be operated safely.

JimHopf   October 22nd, 2008 5:07 pm ET

The nuclear industry has ALWAYS had a technical solution to its "waste problem". In fact, it's the only major energy source/industry that ever has. Nuclear waste is generated in tiny volumes, has always been completely contained, and had never had any measurable impact on public health or the environment. This, in stark contrast to fossil fuels, whose wastes (that are freely released into the environment) cause 25,000 deaths per year in the US alone and cause global warming.

As for the longer term solutions for nuclear waste, the "messy environmental legacy" of European reprocessing plants has not ever killed anyone. Even conservative analyses (just submitted to NRC) show that Yucca Mtn. will never have any significant environmental impact, with no possibility of exposing anyone to radiation levels outside the range of natural background (levels for which no health effects have ever been observed).

As for nuclear weapons proliferation, increasing the number of nuclear plants in the US will have absolutely no impact, period. Even the expansion of nuclear into developing countries will have no significant impact, since it is no easier to extract weapons material from spent fuel than it is to simply mine uranium from the ground. The only thing that needs to be controlled is the building of fuel cycle facilities (enrichment or reprocessing centers) in developing countries.

Finally, while there are some environmental impacts associated with uranium mining, any such impacts are much smaller than that of coal mines, per amount of electricity produced. This has to do with the fact that you get almost a million times as much energy from a pound of uranium than you do from a pound of coal. It should also be noted that any modern uranium mine will have a much smaller impact than those built in the bad old (pre-environmental) days of the '50s and '60s. Even renewable sources like solar and wind have a measurable environmental impact, since those sources require covering an enormous amount of land area with machinery in order to produce any significant amount of power. This issue is starting to rear its head, causing divisions between environmentalists.

Mitsurati   October 22nd, 2008 5:07 pm ET

Anyone who believes that radioactive waste disposal is only a problem for nuke plants is either ignorant or delusional. Fossil fuel plants create many, many times the radioactive waste that nuclear plants do (even on a curies/watt basis) but it is in the exhaust (smoke) rather than being captive in spent fuel cells. So instead of being put into barrels and buried, it gets pumped into the sky where we've been breathing it for the last century.

While wind, solar and other renewable sources are on the horizon, nuclear power can meet and exceed our capacity NOW and for a very low environmental cost. We need to shift to nuclear now, even if it is thirty years late.

Kevin   October 22nd, 2008 5:42 pm ET

It's about time. No source is safe and to the best of my knowledge no one in this country has died from a nuclear plant related accident. Of course there are risks, but the rewards are greater. Nothing comes for free in real life.

as far as the critical mass comment – uh, you need to read up a little on your reactor design material and what critical mass truly means. Nuclear bombs are a little more complicated than putting the requisite amount of Uranium (or other) together.

Wisdom   October 22nd, 2008 5:59 pm ET

Ken in Dallas

Agree... well said...

The most expensive part of burning hydrogen is seperating it from water... however I saw an interesting thing in the news about a guy who burns saltwater.... simple salt water... he puts it in radio waves that release the hydrogen which is what is actually burning... at like 1400 C..... pretty cool... look up "Salt Water Burns" on You Tube.

We have a lot of options... just need to look... especially if it can be more economical that many other avenues... etc...

Not a green nut... just like the idea of anything better! and if it helps the Earth in the process.... win, win

John Cork   October 22nd, 2008 6:14 pm ET

Where to start.....

All power plants require cooling towers or a large body of water to reject the heat into. Those TMI cooling tower symbols are also seent at coal plants.

This blog contains the usual fallacies about nuclear power, closing with the most offensive: implying that commercial nuclear plants in the U.S. provide a risk for weapons proliferation. Mr. Dykstra, you cannot produce weapons from any of the spent fuel that is stored at a U.S. nuclear power plant, nor with any of the NEW fuel destined for U.S. nuclear power plants. If you want to debate about reprocessing facilities in other countries, then do it in a separate piece.

Notice that this piece pretty much ignores the ravaging of the land due to the coal mining industry...and the much larger health problem burning coal poses than the rather pitifully small (by comparison) problem of mining uranium (and we've made some progress in that department, by the way).

Take a drive through any major city in the U.S. and think of the electrical loads there. Think of all the PCs in all the offices you see, the heating and cooling loads out there. Now look around at your own house and notice how many electrical appliances you have. We have a huge need for large base load power plants in the U.S. and while it's great that wind power and solar power are improving and new generation methods are being developed, there will still be that need for large power plants. And nuclear power technology is here now. It's a proven technology whether you want to admit it or not.

True, earth exchange heat pumps are more efficient, but who's going to make everyone replace their hvac units with one? Who's going to pay for it? Retrofitting a city with these things would be a more monstrous task than Boston's Big Dig.

If you're looking for a cause, then champion the snuffing out of fossil burning plants, not the nuclear ones. I've worked at both and I much prefer nuclear power.

If you really have the need to fear something, then look at the railroads running through your town. Look at the oil refineries and the chemical plants there. Remember Bhopal? You'll see a more clear and present danger there, than nuclear power anyway, if you'll just look.

John Cork   October 22nd, 2008 6:19 pm ET

Oh yeah, almost forgot, if you want to bring other countries into this discussion, look no further than China at the environmental and human toll of the use of coal for producing electricity vs. nuclear fission.

grendol   October 22nd, 2008 6:45 pm ET

Hi, I encourage you all to take a read at the http://www.inl.gov about generation 4 nuclear research. There are reactor concepts that will get more power per pound of fuel, and concepts that will co generate Hydrogen Gas for the Hydrogen economy.

I also encourage you to review what you can about nuclear fuel cycles and 'Experimental Breeder Reactor 2'.

I strongly believe that there are and have been technical solutions to technical problems. I think Yucca Mountain is the wrong thing, and reprocessing and recycling is the correct thing. Unfortunately, political will seems lacking, as does a general public knowledge of what really is technically possible.

Also, from a physics and engineering perspective, you cannot expect to completely decouple effective Fusion research from current Fission work. The people and agencies that oversee these fields are very similar if not the very same, aside from the practical aspects of performing meaningful Fusion growth, which will probably be given boon by additional general nuclear interest.

Clark Cully   October 22nd, 2008 6:57 pm ET

You do not produce energy by burning seawater. Water is H20, so you have to add enough energy to chemically seperate into H2 and O2 molecules. Burning the hydrogen simply returns that chemical energy back and reproduces the water. That's why hydrogen is like a battery, not an energy source (it would be if H2 occured naturally, avoiding the energy intesive chemical seperation).

Fusion is another story altogether, as you get more energy out of the resulting nuclear reaction than you put in during chemical seperation.

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JHolmes   October 22nd, 2008 7:54 pm ET

Radioactive nuclear wastes remain dangerous for millenia. For example, a recent spill of less than 1 gram of plutonium in a lab in Boulder, Colorado created widespread concern and Congressional investigation, bacuse even this small amount can poision and kill hundreds. Yet, spent nuclear fuel and especially recycled fuel would contains miilions times more material that remains toxic, with a half-life of 25,000 years. Nuclear power can provide a fraction of our energy for a few decades. Is it fair to endanger for this thousands of future generations? Instead of spending hundreds of billions for these reactors, we should invest in safe and clean solar power that will remain abundant virtually forever.

MIKE H   October 22nd, 2008 7:58 pm ET

The nuclear industry will never have my support until they come clean and take responsibility for all of the people they have killed already (Read KILLING OUR OWN :The Disaster of America's Experience
with Atomic Radiation by Harvey Wasserman & Norman Solomon at
http://www.ratical.org/radiation/KillingOurOwn/). Once they have done that, they can make their economic and environmental case and I might listen. Bear in mind that no nuclear plant has survived without taxpayer subsidies, government guarantees and/or money stolen from captive ratepayers.

Scott   October 22nd, 2008 8:29 pm ET

Nuclear power is the way to go. Fusion is a nice idea, and hopefully can be achieved one day. Fission we have right now, and through the use of breeder reactors, there is enough cheap uranium available to provide for the worlds energy needs for the next 100-200 years.

Obviously that would involve the creation of plutonium, which could be used in a bomb. So can ammonium nitrate, and yet we aren't holding back the farming sector for fear of fertilizer bombs. Honestly, the latter is far more likely than the former, considering the technology that is required to actually make plutonium "go boom". As far as the fear of proliferation it is a moot point. Nations, even small nations, have massive resources available to them. A nation intent on developing a bomb will eventually do so. North Korea is one of the poorest, most isolated countries on earth, and they managed. Our only real hope of avoiding the issues of nuclear proliferation is with voluntary compliance to existing treaties through diplomacy. A country who wants a nuke will get one no matter what. A country who doesn't want a nuke won't build one even if they are swimming in weapons grade plutonium.

Nuke ETCS   October 22nd, 2008 8:34 pm ET

I have operated nuclear reactors for over 20 years safely and without incident in the Navy. The biggest issue nuclear power faces is the general populations lack of knowledge. I do not glow in the dark, I still have most of my hair, and my two children are "normal". Our nuclear power knowledge comes from watching movies where they use terms like "critical reactor" (thats good by the way) or scram and do not know what these terms mean. The other wonderful source of info is the media and usually, they have no clue either. Our industry maintains very high standards compared to nuclear programs in other countries. Nuclear power is a very viable source of power for our future. Cuss nuclear power all you want, but while you are typing your reply, remember, it would be a lot harder to see in the dark.

Michael   October 22nd, 2008 8:39 pm ET

USA is Advanced Country , why not Nuclear Power Plants
Government should support the Uranium mining Companies

France's 60% Electricity is from Nuclear

INDIA AND CHINA ARE GETTING READY TO BUILD Nuclear POWER PLANTS

WHY NOT USA , WE ARE TELLING OTHERS TO CONTROL POLLUTION FROM COAL WHAT ABOUT US

I STONGLY RECOMEND Nuclear POWER PLANTS

Joe   October 22nd, 2008 8:46 pm ET

Nuclear power is a good option to meet the needs of the large commercial and heavy industrial sectors of our economy. As the French have shown, it can be used safely and efficiently to produce a large percentage of the countries energy needs. And, of course, it has the added advantage of NOT being a fossil fuel, which means it is NOT a finite resource.

HOWEVER, I believe that a combination of solar and wind energy is better suited to power the residential and small commercial sectors of our economy. Through the use of solar panels, residential scale wind turbines, passive solar heating & cooling, rain water collection, grey water recycling, etc; there is no reason that every house in America can not be energy self sufficient.

Domestic supplies of unlimited energy is the key to both our national and economic security. A key factor in security is risk management; and, a key factor in risk management, is spread of risk. And, what better way to spread the risk, than to make every home and small business energy self sufficient. We have had the knowledge and technology to do this for over 50 years; why hasn't it been done? Answer – GREED & CORRUPTION!!! The fossil fuel industry and it's "employees" in Washington and every State capitol, have done everything in their power to maintain the status quo, and prevent energy independence for every American. Personally, I would love not to have to pay a monthly bill to power my home, heat my home, cool my home, and supply my home with water. But, because of GREED & CORRUPTION, this option has been surpressed or outright eliminated from the market place. Hell, in Kansas back in the 1980s, a utiltiy company bribed (oops, influenced) a member of the state legislature to introduce a bill that would have outlawed home generation of electricity. Gee, and I thought the GOP was in favor of smaller less intrusive government??? But, in all fairness, there have been plenty of Democrats that have been bribed (oops, influenced) also. Living in Kansas, I got to see this first hand this year with the "battle" over the new coal power plant in Western Kansas. Some people are still willing to risk our security for the sake of $$$. Even when they know coal is a finite, and dirty resource, they continue to keep us dependent on it. Some might call this an act of treason. Do you???

Doug Houseman   October 22nd, 2008 8:49 pm ET

If we built about 500 windmills a day and installed them we could in 10 years have enough wind mills to power the US. That is every day, not just week days and each wind mill would be about 300 feet tall and make about 1.5 MW of power when the wind blew not too slow and not too fast. In 2007 the world turned out enough wind mills to provide the first 18 days of installations. If we turn all the chip factories that make computers, cell phones and other silicon chips into making solar cells we could build enough solar cells in about 50 years to provide our power needs. Remember that building wind mills and solar cells are not clean processes and they have environmental impacts.

People do not realize the scope of the issue we are dealing with. If we want to us Plug in Hybrids to reduce the consumption of gasoline enough to reduce imports of oil by 50% in ten years – we would need to convert all factors to produce PHEV's by the 1st of February 2009 and sell only hybrids in the future – this assumes all the hybrids get 50 mpg. And we need to sell at least 15 million each year for the next decade. To power the PHEV's we would need to raise the windmill count to 600 per day.

In short the issue of energy is complex and no one solution will work. There are no simple fixes – we need to use everything we can think of to fix this problem – conservation, efficiency, peak shaving, solar, wind, PHEV, nuclear, batteries when they are good enough, high pressure compressed air storage, and turn loose every person with an idea on North America – some one will have an idea that will make things better.

What we can not do is pick one technology and say it is the silver bullet and run with it.

The Pickens plan would cost more than 6 trillion dollars to put into full effect. To make enough ethanol to replace 50% of gasoline would take 2/3 of the total farm land in the US if we do it with Corn....

We need to all start now and work to many solutions and meet in the middle.

john   October 22nd, 2008 8:52 pm ET

its either nuclear power, or wear an environmental suit to go outside in 50 years to throw the ball with the kids.
solar will be a solution WITH 30 YEARS OF R&D and wind will always be too costly and unreliable. hydropower – very limited new availability, geothermal – very limited geographically.
we need to reprocess and build breeder reactors to deal with the waste. its the only real option folks, "clean coal" technology hasn't even been shown to work outside a laboratory, much less being implemented on a large scale.

Chris   October 22nd, 2008 9:02 pm ET

Thank goodness for a nuclear artical. Within the next few years the first new reactor will be started in Tennessee and hopefully then more and more nuclear plants will be built. The country, the world needs this amazing source of clean, cheap power!

Reggie   October 22nd, 2008 9:22 pm ET

Just build the nuclear plants. Our energy needs never drop and if we wish to keep our standard of living, it shouldn't!

Nuclear is safe, pollutes MUCH less than the fossil fuels and is technologically feasable NOW, not many years in the future such as beaming energy from space, fusion or even solar power technologies.

"Clean Coal".. don't even get me started on how crazy that is!

Build one in my backyard and drop my rates. I think people will welcome them with open arms.

Objectivist   October 22nd, 2008 10:04 pm ET

The case for increased use of nuclear power has been with us for 20 years. We continue to poison the environment and give money to terrorist supporting dictators as a result of irrational fears.

The Navy has been operating nuclear power plants safely for a LONG time.

Nevada pushed extremely hard to get the Yucca Mtn project and all the jobs and money that went into the site and now they don't want the rest of the country to use it. Shame on them.

Stefan   October 22nd, 2008 10:12 pm ET

This article doesn't even begin to address important issues in the pro-nuke argument, such as new designs for melt-down free reactors, and other safety improvements that could be built into newer reactors that don't retrofit into old ones. As for opening up the door to weapons distribution, I find it hard to believe that we can track a person's exact position through their cell phone, but can't keep our eye on a truck full of stuff – pure bs.

Grant   October 22nd, 2008 10:42 pm ET

More nuclear power plants would have been great...thirty years ago. It takes about 10 years and $8 billion to build one plant now (if you can get it approved). Solar or wind power plants could be built in about 2 years and cost considerably less.

It's clear that we need to throw everything we have at renewable energy sources that do not pollute (like coal) or have dangerous byproducts (like nuclear). These include solar photovoltaic panels, solar thermal, wind (including high altitude), tidal, geothermal, and so on. The technology is here right now to do all of these and the prices will come down significantly once production scales up (like any new technology or industry). There is no excuse, really.

Chad   October 22nd, 2008 11:18 pm ET

I think nuclear power is an excellent choice, no green house gasses, reliable, and we have the raw materials (in this case urainium) on hand in our own country.
The nuclear fuel is also extreamly efficent an American aircraft carrier can run more than 10 years on a couple pounds of uranium with out refueling.

Mark R   October 22nd, 2008 11:34 pm ET

Nuclear energy has already shown that it's efficient and safe. Three mile island that everybody cites as an example of nuclear problems it's actually just the opposite. Everything that could go wrong did and yet no one was injured by the events that followed. France, Great Britain and Japan all generate a large portion of their energy with nuclear reactors and you don't hear of them having problems. Also electricity can be used to generate hydrogen from water providing a clean energy source for transportation needs.

The saddest part of the story is that the United States no longer has a large enough steel industry to produce nuclear reactors! This is truly a sad acknowledgment of all the state of American industry. We used to be and still should be the premier manufacturing country in the world but instead we've allowed politicians, environmentalists and our own complacency delegate us to something no better than a third world country in the field of manufacturing. We've been displaced by a country that our manufacturing ability defeated during World War II!

Bob   October 22nd, 2008 11:34 pm ET

Thank you Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and the enviro groups who are saying that safe nuclear power is OK and necessary.

SIMPLE FACT – Not cost effective in the least.

Generations beyond generation will have to pay for the safe storage and security of the waste. We will have paid little direct cost for the electricity we used because the safe storage and security will be subsidized with our tax dollars and those of our children, and their children, and their children's children.......

Republican or not – it is not fiscally responsible or ethical.
Even if you could guarantee the safe operation of nuclear and then the safe storage from environmental catastrophe and terrorism.

I would rather see Energy companies receive huge tax breaks from government to move to renewables and away from fossil fuels and nuclear power. This would give these companies huge returns while keeping them in the energy business their shareholders want them to stay in. Who wants shares in company that has liabilities on the back end. Renewables will give energy companies infinite resources with the only cost of maintaining the renewable EQ. Profits could go into better technology and before you know it – no need for costly underground exploration for resources, environmental studies, law suits, cleanup and storage.

BTW these nuclear storage and security costs would be hidden as new taxes preventing for true market reform- not a business minded conservative plan in my mind. True renewable energy focus towards energy independence is what the USA and the market needs now! If shareholders really thought about this they would be lobbying everyone in DC.

New technologies would be developed here and exports to developing countries would go up.

There is not one upside to safe nuclear or even clean coal because they don't exist yet. As far as renewables – the can be built faster then the other non-existent clean or safe coal/nuclear options. They will infuse our economy with jobs and innovation.

And yes – when you produce electricity with nuclear and coal you need lot and lots of water!!! The water would evaporate and add to the largest greenhouse gas problem we have!!! Yes water vapor is the largest contributor. Besides we need the water for other more pressing things like drinking and agriculture, etc.

I also like T. Boone Pickens plan if he wasn't "anything(nuclear/coal) as a bridge. Natural gas can be the only bridge and renewables are the final destination.

Franko   October 23rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

S Callahan; "would that be ‘clean coal’?"

Particulates cause "Global Dimming" (see µTube)
Stomp your foot, caused a print, raised dust, changed rainfall in Africa.

If coal plants emit only CO2 and H2O, so what ?
Buckeyballs, soot, throat irritating, cancer causing, not very smart.

Nuclear is high cost, high technology, makes me uneasy.
Would not want to live downwind; no matter the safety record.

R.K. Pachauri is just EcoNuts
Seeing danger in CO2, overriding Nuclear cost and real danger.

We Don't Need Nuclear   October 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

The assumption that we need nuclear energy to reduce global warming is inherently wrong.

First, nuclear fuel acquisition is highly energy intensive, requiring us to "move" a huge amount of soil/rock. This is only done using fossil fuels. Also, we simply don't have a way of containing the spent radioactive fuel we already have. I know there are currently attempts to "redefine the problem away" by changing what is considered to be highly radioactive, but this is absurdity. Another important thing to consider is that the UK has determined that it will cost more to decommission their reactors than the value of the electricity that came out of them in their lifetime. This is why they are not going to build any more of them. Finally, It will take several thousand reactors to cover all of our current energy usage.

Besides, the facts show that in 2003 the US used 3.2 Trillion kWh of electricity. If we were to cover every house in the US with an approximately 25' x 25' solar array, we could produce enough power to fill our need. Don't forget that somewhere between 1/3 and 2/3 of the electricity we create is wasted/lost in the lines during transit (DOE gave this number). So if we have at-the-point-of-use energy production, we can significantly reduce how much we need to create. This would take about $2.5 Trillion to do this, which is about 1/2 as much as our national debt has INCREASED under the Bush Reich. So instead of crushing our economy, almost eliminating our middle class, and starting a war for no reason, we could have had enough renewable energy to eliminate our need for coal, nuclear, damns, and all the other ridiculously dirty energy sources (NG is relatively clean and good enough to hold us over until we can get other clean sources like wind and ocean swell (not wave) online.

Not to mention the security benefits of a distributed energy system, and the absense of the obvious targets of nuclear power plants and more dangerously the trucks/trains that attempt to transfer the spent fuel from the reactor to the imaginary repository (we only have the Yucca Mountain site and that can't hold what we already have created.)

There are of course very significant health benefits from using newables for humans, wildlife, and the economy (via less people-hours lost to medical incidents like athsma, bronchitis, many types of cancer, ...) but most people are not aware enough to understand these concepts.

Of course, the idiots will now attack me personally, not responding to any of the facts I've presented and they will delude themselves into thinking "they sure told me".

Finally, the biggest problem is that our government will not support any plan that does not have a legion of, as I call them, "cherished dependent consumers" to make companies rich.

As a country, we almost deserve what we are going to get, but I don't.

By the way, I drive an electric vehicle (Ford Ranger EV) that is charged off solar energy along with my house. It costs me less than the status quo and is very fun to drive. It also feels great to not have "visited" a gas station for about a year now. For those very few times that I need to drive more than 60 miles in a single trip, I plan to make it a serial-plug-in-hybrid by adding a generator that can run off Natural Gas, or Propane, or gasoline though I will rarely use gasoline because Propane is readily available at many gas stations.

Adam   October 23rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

This article is interesting, but makes one crucial error. We DO build reactors in the US, and have been since the 50s. They are all used by the Navy's nuclear power program. Every active US Navy submarine except the USS Dolphin, and every active aircraft carrier except the USS Kitty Hawk are nuclear powered. In fact the carriers all have at least two. The program has its own flaws, like being a terrible place to work and serve because of all the micromanagement, but that micromanagement is what has prevented major problems. (Yes, there have definitely been plenty of minor ones, as any navy nuke veteran knows.)

Spent fuel storage is not a solved problem. Reprocessing would minimize but not eliminate the need to store radioactive waste safely for long periods of time. Uranium mining may cause health and environmental problems, but if you are choosing between mining uranium and coal, realize that it takes incredibly less uranium to produce the same amount of energy as coal. Is coal mining any better for a miner's health? Is coal mining less damaging to the environment? In the case of "mountaintop removal" mining, coal mining ERASES the environment.

Finally, as bizarre as it may sound, coal power releases far more radioactive material to the atmosphere. Trace amounts of naturally-occurring radioactive material present in coal go up and out the stacks of coal power plants because release of this material is not federally regulated. Because of the sheer volume of coal burned, these "trace amounts" are better measured in the thousands of metric tons of uranium and thorium released to the atmosphere – by burning coal.

http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html

Net result: nuclear fission is not perfect. Nuclear fusion is still a pipe dream. But the phrase "clean coal" (that keeps popping up in the ads on the CNN website) is bull$#&%.

clifford   October 23rd, 2008 12:34 am ET

wouldn't want to live downwind hmmmm...

but don't move and increase your commute 25 miles you'd increase your risk of dying in a car accident more than living next door to a nuke plant.
"Health Hazards of not going Nuclear" by Petr Beckham (sp?) read it more than 30 years ago seems others are finally beginning to listen.

Nucworker   October 23rd, 2008 1:16 am ET

As a current member of the nuclear power generation workforce, I see an attitude toward continued improvements in safety and conservative decision-making.
The new power plant designs are based on "passive" safe shutdown systems. That means that limited power is required to actuate the core-cooling systems in an emergency.
That said, I think we need to take a larger view of the repercussions of other energy sources.
First, the diversion of corn and other bio-fuel sources traditionally used for animal feed, creates higher food prices. As more bio-sources are needed, more fertilizer, more fuel, and more pasture lands are needed. This adds to higher food costs.
Second, wind-power. If the energy is removed from the moving air, will climate change occur from the lack of air currents to move moisture-laden air to other areas.
Third, solar-power. To me this is the most earth-safe. The sun's rays heat the earth anyway.
In summary, we must look at all alternatives and the global affect of those alternatives.

Mark   October 23rd, 2008 1:54 am ET

Kevin –

Actually the first accident in US history the army reactor SL-1 killed three people. In fact one was pinned to ceiling.

However, the nuclear power program has a great record in recent times. Also the US Navy has set the model program running just as many reactors or more than the Civilian sector without a major incident. Oh yeah and all but two of the navy's currently operational 102 reactors are mobile. Perhaps we could use them as a model.

Nuclear Engineering Student   October 23rd, 2008 2:12 am ET

Nuclear power should play a better role in the future of our energy supply. There is such a great amount of money and knowledge put into splitting the atom, or even fusing small isotopes (look up ITER) to create fusion reactors (this powers our sun). We have several new and improved designs such as pebble bed reactors.

Nuclear is actually very safe. The reason Chernobyl occurred was because of a poor outdated design and the fact they were conducting experiments to try an squeeze every last bit of power out of the reactor with less than qualified technicians.

Eric   October 23rd, 2008 3:28 am ET

Nuclear power is incredibly safe compared to its early days. I work in the training department at a Nuclear plant training the control room operators and I can tell you that we send them through a ridiculous ammount of training.

It takes about 2 years to get your license and previous to that most control operators, and supervisors, have anywhere from 10 to 20 years of Nuclear Navy experience. The U.S. Navy has been cruising around the world on Nuclear Power for the last 50 years with ZERO Nuclear incidents.

It is time for this country to wake up from its ignorance to Nuclear Power. New technology, knowlegable operators, and sound designs make them even safer now than the current models in operation (Which are EXTREMELY safe to begin with).

Most modern European countries soley use Nuclear to power their grids. Come on America, educate yourself about Nuclear Power and support it.

To the person who said "I don't want to live downwind..." you obviously don't understand the design of a Nuclear Reactor plant and recommend you read up on it. If you did you would understand that the modern containment building is designed to withstand a worse case scenario reactor accident and prevent the release of fission products to the environment. Not too mention the New Reactors will be built with even greater safety margins. Plus, if you live near a plant you get silly huge tax breaks. I believe in my area they pay ZERO property tax.

Alan   October 23rd, 2008 3:59 am ET

Wisdom– separating the hydrogen is more than just "the expensive part." The energy input required to hydrolyze water is EQUIVALENT to the energy released when burning it. In other words, even novel ideas such as using radio waves to "burn seawater" won't offer us a new energy SOURCE. The difference from this and oil is that nature (via solar energy input) has already arranged the hydrocarbons in a form that requires less energy for processing ("refinement") than what is released when they are burned. Unfortunately, nothing in nature has left us with vast quantities of un-bound hydrogen ready and waiting for use as a fuel.

There are no free lunches in physics.

Alan   October 23rd, 2008 4:01 am ET

Wisdom– separating the hydrogen is more than just "the expensive part." The energy input required to hydrolyze water is EQUIVALENT to the energy released when burning it. In other words, even novel ideas such as using radio waves to "burn seawater" won't offer us a new energy SOURCE. (There isn't–and can never be– a net gain with such a method.) The difference between hydrogen and oil is that nature (via solar energy input) has already arranged the hydrocarbons in a form that requires less energy for processing ("refinement") than what is released when they are burned. Unfortunately, nothing in nature has left us with vast quantities of un-bound hydrogen ready and waiting for use as a fuel.

There are no free lunches in physics.

Andrew   October 23rd, 2008 5:42 am ET

Why does John McCain think that nuclear power can replace oil? How are we going to run our cars on nuclear power?

whareagle   October 23rd, 2008 6:06 am ET

NO one has mentioned Pebble Bed Reactors. They are safe, they are mondo-efficient, and they are incredibly durable. They also can be built to scale. And as for the story on mining uranium, that's a canard. The pits are closing due to lack of demand, not lack of supply. What is it – one pellet is worth something like 80 barrels of oil, with no Co2 emissions? Talk about Build Here, Build Now. We need this stuff if we're going to be competitive.

Lupin   October 23rd, 2008 6:44 am ET

Nuclear, hydro and wind I feel are the best choices for american electricity.

While Nuclear does have its dangers, mainly it's waste, it still provides a huge amount of clean cheap electricity. The tech is there to make it safe, but I'm still parinoid over the waste more then the plant itself.

Hydro is something that always proved useful when the enviroment is taken into proper consideration but has the limits of needing to be where there is a large enough river and for someplaces that isn't much of an option.

Wind is my Safe pick. Its one of the few structures that i've seen that is not only functional but has an elecence to it along the country side. And while solar tech my be getting better the fact stands that it is still one of the most expensive energy sources (hardware wise) and had natural limitations such as night and cloud cover. Wind is superior and takes up little space in comparison.

http://www.fosterandpartners.com/content/projects/0735/9705.jpg

to me it isn't a far step to seeing them being put anywhere across the nation with enough wind to act first as a suppliment source of power until either the nuclear plant issues are better met with or until something more practical for america is figured out. With enough planning counties could supply thier own green power.

russ   October 23rd, 2008 7:30 am ET

In the debate of nuclear vs 'other' ... do we know how many people have died in mining accidents and in the transportation of the coal from the mines to the power plants. More or less than those involved with the mining and processing of uranium and the nuclear accidents associated with the nuclear power industry? Probably should include those who have died from 'Black lung' too. Should we include those who died in the landslides in coal country??

Maybe a chart showing the distribution of the number who died supporting each industry could be done for the period of time from 1950 to present. Might help to better understand the actual risk rather than succumb to the fears associated with nuclear vs CO2.

I like the idea of solar and wind. Maybe solar and wind could be co-located so they offset each others shortcomings. Might not need to have natural gas or diesel generators to back-up either solar/wind when they need to go off line due to lack of wind, nighttime and other more subtle reasons that work against solar and wind generation.

Ultimately, we will drive electric cars, use electricity to heat our homes. It is the only reasonable way to distribute energy to multiple locations. Natural gas can be easily distributed by pipeline but is not universally available throughout the North America as is electricity.

I recall visiting my uncle's home when they used kerosene lamps with wicks to light their farm home. They then moved to mantle lanterns with white gas, which was a significant improvement (you could actually see to read a book, play checkers/chess in the evening). Electric lighting arriving through the REA program changed their lives for the better.

I don't think anyone wants to go back to that way of life... I presume the rest of the world would like to have electric power available so they too don't have to go to bed when the sun goes down at night!

How do we solve that problem?? Continue to call each other names??? That is productive!

RicknATL   October 23rd, 2008 7:40 am ET

Nuclear power makes (and has made) perfect sense. Once fuel, a reactor can operate for 18 months making litte more waste (volume) than an average size room. A coal fired plant, which releases more radioactivity to the environment in one day than a nuke plant does all year, uses 240 railroad box cars of coal PER DAY.

Add in all the other emissions and greenhouse gases, it amazes we that we are not more dependent on nuclear power. Especially with the new generation of reactors that are 30 to 100 times safer than the ones in operation today. As for Yucca mountain, we should make it a monitored, retrievable storage facility instead of a bury it and forget it facility. After all, who can predict what will happen a 100 years from now, much less 10,000 years?

mitakeet   October 23rd, 2008 8:15 am ET

How about 'getting rid' of the 'waste' by making electricity out of it? It blows my mind that the US has already paid for the research and development of a far and away better method of nuclear energy: molten salt reactor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor

It can use cheaper fuel (thorium instead of enriched uranium), the plants are cheaper to build (no need for a 30 foot thick concrete containment vessel), is already melted, so there is no 'China Syndrome' to worry about, the 'waste' decays to be less radioactive than the source ore in 300 years and can be as much as 40% more efficient at converting heat to electricity.

Rather than using solid fuel pellets, the fuel is mixed in such a way that it is molten as it flows through the reactor. Because the fuel is a fluid at ambient pressure (it actually is slightly more efficient at less than ambient pressure) there is no need for the massive containment vessel so integral to the current paradigm. Since the reactor is designed to deal with the molten fuel, it naturally is capable of dealing with that level of heat. In the unlikely event that it did overheat (by its nature, the nuclear reactions actually decrease as the temperature increases), the reactor is designed so that the fuel melts out the bottom of the reactor into a containment vessel. Due to the fluid nature of the fuel it is straightforward to reprocess the fuel constantly and remove the portions that would negatively impact the reactor efficiency. Conventional solid core reactors have to make many tradeoffs in efficiency to maximize the intervals between taking the reactor down to rebuild the core. That is eliminated in the molten salt core reactor as the fuel is constantly cycling in and out of the core. As such, most of the stuff that the US taxpayer is being asked to spend billions sticking in a Nevada mountain can be used as the perfectly acceptable fuel that it is instead. Thus, most of the fuel is 'burnt' including the waste, leaving material that rapidly (300 vs. 50,000 years) decays to the point it is less radioactive than the ore it came from. The dramatic increase in efficiency when engineers are typically hard pressed to improve by 1%? Because the core is hotter a different thermal cycle can be used which is known to be able to convert as much as 50% of the heat energy into electricity (recall that current plants work at around 35% efficiency).

Warren G.   October 23rd, 2008 8:16 am ET

Done correctly, nuclear power is both safe and clean. It isn't high technology either. New designs are relatively simple and fail safe. I agree with Kevin that it is about time.

Nuclear power may very well be our fastest, cheapest, and cleanest way to energy independence.

Pete   October 23rd, 2008 8:45 am ET

I worked at a nuclear power plant construction site, and have mixed feelings about them, but, generally, they are a good alternative to fossil fuel, at least for now. The plants could be built underground to minimize the chances of leaks into the atmosphere, and problems could be lessened by having it all buried to begin with. As far as getting rid of the waste, can it be a payloads onboard rockets launched toward the sun? The material and rocket would burn up before it got to the sun anyway, so why keep it on earth?

Brian Hall   October 23rd, 2008 8:48 am ET

Build more nuclear plants. Solve nuclear “waste” problem without reprocessing by using deep burn technologies. Nuclear power is the greenest way to boost baseload capacity.

Interim solution:
Fuel rods from existing nuclear plants can be used again in Canadian-style CANDU reactors, without chemical or heat reprocessing. Ship them to Canada as fuel or build CANDU plants onsite at existing nuclear sites to burn the used fuel (DUPIC process).

Long-term solution:
Develop and build molten salt thorium reactors (LFTRs). These reactors basically burn their own waste, leaving no long-lived nuclear byproducts. In addition, they generate industrial-grade process heat that can replace many uses of natural gas, and also can efficiently generate hydrogen.

tom.e   October 23rd, 2008 8:57 am ET

you guys dont realize that nuclear power has become extremely safe the problem at Chernobyl was for the most part a human error now we have safeguards against things like what happened at chernobyl the odds of something going wrong and us having another chernobyl are a billion to one and then odds are we could get it fixed before it became irreversible and if we were to use nuclear power we could get 90% of our power and we could get the rest from clean energy like solar wind etc.

r2ch   October 23rd, 2008 9:07 am ET

Pebble bed reactors

Steve   October 23rd, 2008 9:18 am ET

Do the words "Three Mile Island" and "Chernyobyl" mean nothing??!!

No, thanks. Not in MY back yard.

Jarrod   October 23rd, 2008 9:22 am ET

From Wikipedia: "Current economic uranium resources will last for over 100 years at current consumption rates, while it is expected there is twice that amount awaiting discovery. With reprocessing and recycling, the reserves are good for thousands of years."

It blows my mind that the environmental nuts shun nuclear energy. It should be their dream. Wind and solar will not be able to power this country. They are not BASE LOAD power sources. The wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine. We should use them as much as we can, but nuclear is what we need to replace our coal fired plants.

Brett Hollands   October 23rd, 2008 9:23 am ET

What this article should of expanded on is the new nuclear technology. We have the capabilities to create MUCH safer reactors, instead of using bare uranium rods there are designs that use carbon coated uranium pellets, safe enough to be handled by hand. There is secondary processing technology that further deteriorates the nuclear waste while at the same time adds to the efficiency of the reactor. The waste has a much shorter half-life and is not weapons grade (nor anywhere near)
I understand the fears we all have because of Old Nuclear legacy but we should open our ears and eyes to the New Nuclear options.

kenny   October 23rd, 2008 9:28 am ET

they should be putting money into researching nuclear fusion, rather than wasting so much of it on nuclear fission plants. even if they were able to convert the potentially existing fission plants into fusion plants later on, the money could be better utilized by spending it on research right now.

Frank   October 23rd, 2008 9:39 am ET

Nuclear power has advanced quite a bit since the 1950s, and many of the fears people havee against it are irrational and based on too many bad movies. Three Mile Island is regarded as the second worst nuclear accident in history, and it has zero casualties. Compare that saftey record with anyt other power generation.

One cubic meter of waste (regardless of how scary the weight numbers look) per megawatt per year is far better than coal or gas. Also, solar cell manufacturing isn't exactly the cleanest thing in the world. We should not have abandoned the technology.

Rob   October 23rd, 2008 9:48 am ET

Why do we never look north for technology? Canadian built Candu reactors run on very low grade uranium. They are still being built all over the world and our security relationship with Canada is excellent!

D. Coyle   October 23rd, 2008 9:59 am ET

With the ecological disaster that fossil fuels have produced, ie Global Warming/Pollution, and the current safety record of all US Nuclear Power Plants, as well as its Nuclear Powered Naval Vessels, Environmental Activists are left without a logical leg to stand on arguing against Nuclear Power.

Wind/Solar power are great for specific areas in the Midwest, but for raw reliable power output in an affordable compact package, that can be built anywhere, nothing beats Nuclear.

Chris   October 23rd, 2008 10:15 am ET

As an engineer who's studied alternative energies for a few years, heres my take:

Wind and Solar: Extreme potential, but the issues are they aren't viable everywhere, and to take full advantage would mean development in technology and huge increases manufacturing (not the absolute answer as of today, but we need to utilize all we can.)

Hydrogen: The problem with hydrogen is that it (H2) is not available. yes H20 is, but that's not the same. In order to get H2 from water, you need to raise the molecular energies to release the oxygen molecule either with electricity (electrolosis) or radiation (the burning saltwater that the ignorant media hyped). In order to get H2 you are still putting in energy in the form of electricity or radiation ( generated via electricity), and because newton's laws (energy balance) and energy losses to the environment, you are better off just putting that electricity into a battery in a electric car.

The problem is very fundamental... you can only create energy (from mass) via nuclear power, E=mc2. Everything else, is converting energy from one form to another (chemical: H2 & gas, Electical, Thermal, or radiation). And in converting energy from one form to another, you are going to have losses.

I don't like the problems with nuclear waste, but nuclear is the obvious choice that's available if you want to replace fossil fuels in the next 30 years. Hopefully in the next century, space travel will become reliable enough to dispose of the waste into the sun.

John   October 23rd, 2008 10:19 am ET

I'll have a nuclear power plant in my backyard. Better then an oil power plant or a coal power plant. Low risk of nuclear meltdown compared to coal soot everywhere? No contest. I'll also put a windmill in my backyard and solar panels on my roof. If I'm going to use electricity, I'm not going to whine about how its made. Don't like nuclear power? Go live in a tent in the woods. Electricity has a cost.

Job #1: Get off of oil. Foreign *and* domestic oil. The problem isn't the price, it's the pollution.
Job #2: Switch from fission to fusion, as stated above. Not gonna run out of hydrogen anytime ever.
Job #3: Find a better solution for nuclear waste than "put it in a hole in the ground and hope nothing bad happens". Maybe run it up a space elevator and shoot it into the sun?

We need to get off oil, and part of that is generating a whole lot of electricity. Movement requires power, whether its electric cars, maglev trains, electric buses, natural gas powered buses, etc. That electricity has to come from somewhere, and if it comes from coal-burning or oil-burning power plants, we're just robbing Peter to power Paul. Wind, solar, hydro, and geothermal power generation are all important and should be researched and developed and improved upon. Maybe someday we can move from nuclear to 100% sustainable energy. The problem is that we need nuclear as the step between the two.

Doug   October 23rd, 2008 10:28 am ET

I get SO tired of the hype coming from people like the reporter in LA. I have worked in the "nuke" industry for almost 30 years now. This includes working around waste processing. There is not enough room here for all the education I would like to give, so some high points. Those of us who work closest to it do not have higher occurrances of cancer than those in any other industry. Spend a little time looking at the number of people killed or injured in the mining, processing and shipping of urainium fuel and you will find it about the same as producing wind or solar energy. The waste produced from an normal power rector is of absolutely NO value to a terrorist. Yes, some waste has a long half life, but one of the waste products from ANY coal powered plant is sulfuric acid which has NO half life – it will be with us forever. Wind power has already been shown to have damaging effects on wildlife and is pollution of the skyline in its greatest form. You can go to solar, but the technology to produce enough energy to keep a small town in electricity does not exist yet and won't for decades. They are working on some wonderful and exciting possibilities for solar, but the cost triples what it costs to produce nuclear power. These numbers are what are required to meet the needs today and do not even come close to what will be needed if we begin to convert homes and vehicles away from oil as a power source. I wish there was more room and time to educate.

Energy producution – any energy production has dangers and anyone who says there is anything such as "safe" energy is a fool. Americans need to stop being afraid of the anti-nuke hype and become informed. Anti-nukes use alot of fuzzy logic to keep you afraid. Example: Women carry checkbooks – TRUE. Prostitutes carry checkbooks – TRUE. Most prostitutes are women – TRUE. Therefore all women are prostitutes – ????

Gary   October 23rd, 2008 10:49 am ET

Did you know that the US is the only country in the world that tries to bury it’s nuclear waste? Nuclear fuel can be recycled and used 100 times!!!! After 50 years the remains are less dangerous to the environment then when the uranium was dug up out of the ground! That’s why every other country recycles it’s nuclear fuel. (I heard the US doesn't be cause we thought if we don't no one else will and we don't want them to recycle fuel and potentially reclaim plutonium in the process. But everyone else recycles anyway because burying it is a waste.)

When the US grows up and stops trying to bury its nuclear waste the US will be able to have a real nuclear energy program.

Joda   October 23rd, 2008 10:50 am ET

Yes, incidents have occurred and people and the environment were destroyed. So what we all need is the facts around the technology and construction techniques that make nuclear power more safe than in the '60's. I believe it's possible- just look at all the other industrialized countries in the world. But just being fearful because of the word 'nuclear' is silly and naive. Let's all look at the problem as scientists and not as emotional cry babies.

Mace   October 23rd, 2008 10:54 am ET

_"Do the words “Three Mile Island” and “Chernyobyl” mean nothing??!!

No, thanks. Not in MY back yard."_

It is this sort of irrational fear and fearmongering that has prevented nuclear power plants from being built the last several decades – part of the reason we are still so dependent on oil from foreign countries.

I blame this attitude for many of the energy problems we've faced in the past year (if we had less demand of the oil/gas they never would have gotten away with the $4.00 gas and $120 barrel of oil – they'd have been forced to lower prices. Simple economics 101)

Chris   October 23rd, 2008 11:12 am ET

The bottom line to this (and you can check the facts yourself) is that nuclear power is cheap, plentiful, and could potentially be safe if the laws in the US were changed.

On the planet Earth, we have currently enough uranium to power the entire planet at current energy consumption rates for approximately the lifetime of the sun. This is true if, and only if, we make use of emerging fast breeder reactors (look it up) which have been proven to work in Russia.

But what about nuclear waste, you say? Nuclear waste is a major problem in the USA, and it will continue to be a major problem in the USA until we actually start reprocessing spent fuel on a mass scale. The fact is that it is physically possible to recover about 95 percent of spent nuclear fuel and reuse it if breeder reactors are used, but waste is still being stored in Nevada where it will continue to be radioactive for possibly thousands of years. With proper reprocessing, thousands of years could be reduced to be anywhere from 1 year to a couple hundred years (still a long time but vastly more manageable) .

Dave   October 23rd, 2008 11:22 am ET

Look up "pebble bed reactor" - interesting concept; uses helium gas as the coolant/heat transference medium ... helium by it's very nature can't become radioactive. In the event of a reactor breach, no radioactive steam escapes. The fissile material is teeny-tiny, covered in graphite ... acts as a moderator, keeps the fissile material from running amok. Neat stuff.

Lisa B   October 23rd, 2008 11:22 am ET

Until it can be proven that we can effectively deal with nuclear waste (which does not mean storing it in the ground somewhere) and that nuclear power is not a giant security risk, I give it an unequivocal thumbs down. There ARE other solutions to our energy problems that don't involve trading one environmental disaster for another - we just have to find them. I have no doubt that we can find these better solutions if the proper investment is made.

John   October 23rd, 2008 11:24 am ET

"With the industry in cold shutdown and steel manufacturing pulling up stakes in the U.S., we don’t make reactors any more, and would have to wait in a long, long line to order reactor vessels from the steelworks in Japan."

We all know what they were doing, back when the representatives were padding their pockets. Shut down the steel manufacturing in this country in favor of lowering tarrifs so other countries can bring it in cheaper for the profits of CEO's? You don't have to be a genious to figure out what they were playing at, and the rest of us pay.

rjr   October 23rd, 2008 11:28 am ET

Building nuclear power plants costs us too much for thousands of year due to the waste. If they could find a way to dispose of the waste in an enviromentally friendly manner then maybe. Do we really want the waste polluting the earth for our children and thier children?

Ken in Dallas   October 23rd, 2008 11:33 am ET

We already have enough power to nearly eliminate the need for oil, once we solve the power storage problem. Don't shortchange efficiency when you consider these topics.

Overall, we use about twice as much energy to run buildings as we use for transportation. We have the means at hand to cut building energy consumption by half, in the short term. If we adopt the best available conservation techniques for buildings, we free up more than sufficient power to support electric vehicles.

Adoption of renewable power generation technologies is important, but adoption of the best in power conservation techniques, combined with renewable power generation, will enable us to meet our power needs and retire some of our worst-polluting power generation facilities at the same time.

The internal combustion engine is between 25% and 35% efficient; electric motors are 85%-90% efficient. Even if we base power generation on coal, moving to electric transportation will reduce net CO2 emissions, simply due to the superior efficiency of electricity over the internal combustion engine.

The push to move to compressed natural gas as an internal combustion fuel is a baby step, but is also not to be dismissed as a step along the way. CNG produces only about half the CO2 emissions oil-based hydrocarbons generate. It fails to address the fundamental inefficiency of internal combustion, but it's a small improvement over the status quo.

Nancy in Colorado   October 23rd, 2008 11:33 am ET

I think nuclear should be a part of the whole energy mix. I think we can't eliminate any energy alternative at this point. Solar and wind will play a part, but it relies too much on the weather to be everything that we use. Coal is half of the energy mix now, mostly because it is cheap.

We are not running out of uranium. if we ever are, there is an easy solution – recycle. Take the spent fuel, reprocess it. This reduces the amount of new uranium to be mined, and gets rid of over 90% of the spent fuel. This isn't new technology. The French reprocess for all of Europe. They don't have a proliferation problem – they just put the plutonium back in the reactors. As Lindsey Graham said "Surely we can be as bold as the French."

paul brindza   October 23rd, 2008 11:34 am ET

Nuclear power has had an enviable safety and economic record here in the US. We have the best environmental safeguards and the best nuclear security safeguards in the world. Nuclear power is the only viable option for new baseload electric power this century. Nuclear power is the only viable electric power source that can simultaneously help free us from imported oil, significantly reduce greenhouse gas emmissions and provide baseload electric power for an expanding economy. Nuclear fuel reprocessing expands the supply of fuel from our wasteful once thru system now in use and reduces the waste storage problem (Yucca Mountain) by a factor of 20. Without fuel reprocessing we will need at least three waste repositories the size of Yucca Montain for the nuclear plants now in existence.The time to build new nuclear plants is now while we can still afford to do it. A strong and growing domestic nuclear power industry will provide 100s of thousnads of excellent American high paying jobs in plant construction, plant operation, high tech nuclear component manufacturing and nuclear fuel processing.
Nuclear here! Nuclear now!

Steve   October 23rd, 2008 11:36 am ET

How about this... we take the same money we would in nuclear and oil subsidies and invest in Wind, geothermal, solar and wave technology. It's that simple

robert jordan   October 23rd, 2008 11:44 am ET

This article is typical of those who rant against nuclear energy without knowing anything about it. The statement made in your article is the proof: "The world is a more dangerous place than it was 30 years ago. Spreading nuclear fuel always leaves the risk of spreading nuclear weapons to those who would be eager to use them." The implication is that someone just steals nuclear fuel from nuclear power plant and can use it directly for the purposes of an atomic weapon. This is completely false, The fuel coming from a nuclear powewr cannot be directly used to make a bomb. It has to be further processed by a nuclear facility that is designed to turn uranium into a weapons grade product.
It appears to be the same ole story. Use a little bit of real knowledge, mix well with paranoia, add a little deception and a lot of political hogwash, and you can "influence" the voters !
I think a lot more care should be given by the powers that be which allow you to write such stuff before it gets on the Internet and confuses people.

Brian   October 23rd, 2008 12:07 pm ET

No one has ever died from an accident at a nuclear power plant in the US.

In the last ten years, more than 10,000 miners (that is NOT a typo!) have died of coal worker's pneumoconiosis, or 'black lung'. See the July 2007 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report published by the CDC.

The waste should be sequestered at Yucca Mountain. Hey, we're still finding undistirubed Egyptian graves from 3000 years ago that were never well protected. Given the safeguards that Yucca will have, I'm not worried about it, nor are my in-laws in Las Vegas!

Bob   October 23rd, 2008 12:15 pm ET

Nuclear -

Not Cheap
Not Safe (while I agree it is safer now – it is not safe enough) And if it is safe enough why not household or neighborhood nuclear power plants like the ones John McCain refers to on Naval subs. Why not because it is not safe enough.

Not an energy solution – PERIOD.

Chris   October 23rd, 2008 1:57 pm ET

Kevin/Joe/Bob and others who advocate only renewable sources, look at the facts. the efficiency of those sources is far from what is needed in this country. Someone mentioned puting solar panels and windmills on skyscrapers, that is great to power the top floor or two...but how do you power the other 20,30 or more floors. Nuclear power is safe and efficient, the cost of building plants would come down quickly if we could build a standard design get it approved and then construct 50 or 100 of them across the country.

I have been to the southern california desert, seen the acres and acres of windmills, while not ugly , not exactly attractive either. Can you imagine central park , yellowstone or other land covered with thousands of windmills. The environmentalist would be outraged.

Support for Nuclear power has never been higher, let's make sure we hold both candidates to their promises of support also and all of our senators and congressman, let's get the politics out of it and lets build, build, build.

Bob   October 23rd, 2008 2:59 pm ET

There was very little if any debate on nuclear or coal during the primary. Done intentionally and most Dems seem to forget this.

So there isn't any support for nuclear. Only ignorance.

If efficiency is what Chris thinks is so important how do you expect that anyone would agree with you?

It is too costly for investors to go it alone. What is so efficient in storing and keeping secure radioactive waste? Well of course have your kids pay for it with any benefit to them. There are too many other things to mention.

We could conserve our way out of this mess and develop more efficient buildings and homes before we need to build more nuclear power plants. BTW USA produces the most nuclear energy than any other country. France is a socialist country that subsidizes nuclear power for its socialist citizens to use. And republians ant to be more like France. Come on it the next bailout for the Energy companies if we do go nuclear.

I for one want to stay independent when it comes to my energy use. If you like nuclear – move and live in France.
(Disclaimer – I do not have anything against Energy companies or French people. I do think we have a moral and ethical responsibilty to future generations. That is my motive.)

Fred Millar   October 23rd, 2008 2:59 pm ET

It's bad enough that, seven years after the 9/11 attacks,
we still have chlorine gas and other ultrahazardous cargoes by rail and truck going through all 60 US target cities. Perhaps nuclear proponents think that somehow US foreign and economic policy and actions will change decisively into benevolence towards the oil-rich nations we are fatally dependent on, so we can relax about terrorism ? If not, imagine how reckless it would be to have DOE's planned 30-to-50 year shipment program of nuclear waste casks lumbering very visibly across the US, moving "mostly by rail", the US Department of Energy says, on "a suite of routes" through the major heartland target cities. DOE has already done field tests showing that a shaped explosive can blow through the casks, and future terrorist are no doubt honing their skills on our military Humvees and other armored vehicles in Iraq and Afghanistan. As for an Eastern version of Yucca Mountain, the only suitable geology I vaguely recall from the earlier nationwide search was Vermont or Minnesota granite or Mississippi salt domes. Still would entail very long shipment routes... No nation has "solved" the nuclear waste problem, and good luck getting investors to take a chance on nuclear in the near future.

Unobtanium   October 23rd, 2008 3:09 pm ET

Two points that everyone does not consider in this debate. They are: One, all of us in the USA demand that electricity be at our finger tips whenever we ask for it. That requirement is called base load. Solar and wind cannot do that. Only coal, gas, oil, hydro, or nuclear can do the job.
Second, the largest danger from burning coal, oil or gas is that the released carbondioxide eventually will be taken up by the oceans. As the ocean takes up the carbondioxide, carbonic acid is formed. Carbonic acid will and is changing the ph of the oceans. As the ph changes to acid from base most of the organisms in the ocean will die. Is that what we want to leave to our kids?

Scott   October 23rd, 2008 4:07 pm ET

The anti-nuclear comments made here are all too typical – exaggerate the dangers of nuclear and minimize the issues with wind/solar/geothermal/wave.

The fact of the matter is that nuclear is safe, much more so than any other power source. The other fact here is that all of the alternative energy sources have very significant technological issues which must be solved before they can be anything other than a minor contributor.

Gabe Schulhoff   October 23rd, 2008 5:32 pm ET

Look at France. The only realistic solution to the clean energy requirement is nuclear. Because compared to the other so called alternative energy sources like wind or solar it has the necessary power density: Nuclear reactors can generate huge amounts of power in a relatively limited space. Just think how many wind turbines are needed to generate the same amount of power like a reactor. Not to speak that wind or solar is not a steady source. And regarding the storage of the spent fuel rods: Encased in steel concrete they can be stored safely for decades.
Gabe Sch.
Windsor, Canada.

Chad   October 23rd, 2008 10:17 pm ET

The article brought up two of the main arguements always brought up in Nuke debates but forgot the most important: OPEN VS. CLOSED NUCLEAR SYSTEMS

Upon the use of a nuclear rod only 10% is used, yet in the united states the whole rod is discarded, rather than simply the 10% used and reuse the remaining 90%.

I'm a huge proponent of nuclear energy for one main reason: No documented domestic deaths. Yes there was three mile island, however what happened? The reactor began to overheat and the plant did what it had documented and legally approved to do, it let off a legal amount of radioactive steam. Now what were the environmental ramifications? I personally do not know, however can coal boast that no person has died in a coal mine in the past 5 years? Recent news articles would say yes, deaths have occured.

I hope that our politicians will see coal as what it is, a reliable energy source that can and is safe, reliable, and cost effective.

sloughter   October 23rd, 2008 11:17 pm ET

In an effort to achieve energy independence, it is necessary to understand why we got here and where to go next. It is pretty clear that the single most important reason we do not have energy independence today is the hot fusion physicists at MIT. In three separate and distinct ways, they have prevented us from obtaining energy independence:

1)We have spent over $15 billion dollars on hot fusion, a process to duplicate conditions of the interior of the sun and extract energy in the process. This process has yet to generate even one kilowatt of electricity after research spanning 30 years. If the $15 billion starting 30 years ago, had been spent on improving wind, solar, and geothermal energy technology, more fuel efficient cars, conservation, green technology, an infrastructure to promote the use of natural gas, cellulosic biofuels and other new energy technologies, we would have energy independence today. Tritium, one of the two key fuels to run the reactors, costs as much as burning one carat diamond rings for fuel. There is even talk of strip mining the moon to get the fuel for hot fusion reactors!

2)Hot fusion physicists at MIT shut down any government sponsored research into cold fusion, now called Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR). The status of LENR technology today is that inventors get excess heat, reliably on demand, in a short period of time. They also get high energy alpha particles emited by their experimental apparatus i.e. not chemical.

There is vast scientific evidence in support of LENR, but MIT scientists shut down the patent office to American inventors, so they have to go overseas to get patents. It is possible to get patents for cold fusion inventions in France, Italy, Israel, South Korea and Japan, but until very recently, not in America, thanks to MIT physicists.

If, as MIT physicists maintained that LENR research aka cold fusion was indeed "pathological science", the worst that would have happened was that the patent office might have patented a few perpetual motion machines. If they are wrong about LENR research (and they clearly are), they may have cost America billions of dollars in lost patent revenues.

The third way that MIT scientists have worked against our energy independence is that they persuaded Senator John Kerry, Democrat from Massachusetts, to shut down the integral fast reactor program (IFR-See the last paragraph, Wikipedia, Integral Fast Reactor. It was Hazel O'leary and John Kerry who shut down the program in 1994 ostensibly because of its threat to nuclear non proliferation. This is a smoke screen. The real reason is that it would have put the MIT hot fusion program out of business).

The IFR technology competed directly with the hot fusion program at MIT. If the IFR program had proceeded, the hot fusion program at MIT would be superfluous, and the program would have been shut down. MIT scientists stood to lose billions of dollars in research grants.

Read the website by George S. Stanford on the IFR. The unseemly rush to shut down the program is evinced by the fact, according to Stanford, that completing the research cost no more than shutting the program down. Physicists at MIT gave the technology to the French who are pursuing the IFR design and calling it one version of their Generation 4 reactors. They hope to have their Generation 4 reactors on line within 20 years.

Here are some of the advantages of the IFR:

1)It can't melt down. Scientists deprived the reactor of any electricity i.e. the control rods didn't move, the coolant pumps were shut down and the reactor was allowed to "cook". It went subcritical, shut itself down, and the passive sodium bath cooled off the reactor without incident.

2)It consumes its own waste. The IFR can burn up any elements with an atomic number above 89 i.e. any actinides e.g. uranium, etc. It can also consume all man made elements such as plutonium.

3)It is 100 times as efficient at extracting energy from the fuel i.e. existing light water reactors only burn 1 % of the energy in the fuel. The IFR burns 99.5% of all the usable energy in the fuel. The light water reactors create vast amounts of radioactive wastes. This waste could be burned up in the IFR.

4)As a result of "3" above, Yucca Mountain would be unnecessary.

5)It can consume all special nuclear materials e.g. plutonium from decommissioned nuclear warheads. All weapons grade plutonium would be consumed first and then reactor grade material next. This would be a great deterrent to the threat of terrorism by providing a sink for all special nuclear material. The CIA could compete with anyone trying to divert special nuclear elsewhere, simply by outbidding them. With the IFR, nuclear material goes in but never comes out.

6)Less radiation is emited by an IFR than a coal fired plant. In fact, one could not even license a coal fired plant with the guidelines used for nuclear plants because they would exceed the allowable emissions.

7)We could, with a 2000-5000 gigawatt reactor farm(s) on the Hudson Bay region, go carbon free throughout North America by 2100. All carbon based fuels could be replaced by electricity within 100 years. The electricity would be shipped from the Hudson Bay region south using high temperature superconductivity technology which is advancing rapidly. This requires the creation of installed capacity at the rate of 20,000-50,000 mW/year over 100 years.

8)We could generate all the energy we need from this complex, and, in the bargain, decommission all fossil fuel plants and decommission all old light water reactors.

Here is how we keep the highly toxic plutonium out of the human biosphere:

1)Distance-By building reactor farms on the Hudson Bay, we can be assured that no cities are down wind from the reactors for several thousand miles,

2)The internal loop in the IFR is a major barrier,

3)Plants could use a passive carbon dioxide gas within the plant with only an oxgyen rich control center. This would obviate the need for a sprinkler system,

4)The containment vessel itself, would, overwhelmingly trap any radioactivity before it escaped into the atmosphere,

5)A multibillion dollar hazmat team would deal with any leakage from any plant.

There is no significant technological hurdle(s) to going carbon free using IFR technology or the Generation 4 technology of the French. It is just a matter of vision and logistics.

Franko   October 24th, 2008 4:43 am ET

"Unlike today's single purpose power plants that produce only electricity, . .. . in combination with liquid fuels and chemicals or hydrogen or industrial process heat"

Concept is combination - even lower than 3c per kilowatt hour ?
99.5% particulate capture - some fertilizer and nuclear fuel.
99.9995% possible ? Can you get below natural air quality levels ?
An air cleaner, can become, a Clean Coal Power Plant ?

Eco-Exterminators to protest; All Nukes located off East Coast Shores
Accidents are blown across the Pond Atlantic
Win either way – power or reduce the Global Population.
What extra nuclear cost, above the 3c, out of Green pockets.

Zach   October 24th, 2008 2:23 pm ET

I am a huge proponent of nuclear power for many of the reasons stated in this article as well as in the comments. Nuclear power in the US has an excellent track record. It would also be advantageous for the US to start building reactors once again. Not only could we then build our own plants rather than wait years for them, but we could also help build for other countries as well. China and India's emissions pose the largest problem. With populations three times the size of the US, it won't be long before they are producing far more pollution. It would benefit the entire world to help them enter the nuclear age as well. I understand the fears of nuclear falling into the wrong hands, but that would also open up the possibility for the US to provide security and hazmat services to those countries we sell reactors to, thus boosting our GDP even more.

However, I also believe that we should be looking into more hydro solutions, as they provide some of the most energy per station, as well as limited environmental effects. True, the damming of a river can destroy a small habitat, but supposing we pick sites correctly, we can avoid doing anything that would be too extreme. The fact of the matter is that the flooding of up to 100 square miles of land would be well worth the benefit of a decreased reliance on fossil fuels.

John   October 25th, 2008 4:26 pm ET

I am a huge proponent of WIND and SOLAR power for US AND WORLD. I bet if North Africa was developed with solar collectors it would have a big impact on things, same with deserts in other parts of the world.
As far as nuclear power goes, I am almost completely against it. With what we have now, we are having a hard time dealing with it.
Earthquakes do not go away, and neither do maniacs who want to blow s- up.
The waste products are deadly for thousands of years, and we will have to deal with that. But why make it worse? Especially when there are other SAFE methods to make power, like wind and solar, geothermal. Hydrogen fuel cells.
Also we should just CUT DOWN on the amount of energy used, especially in so-called "advanced" "ist world" "cultures".
I think we are super wasteful, and that is a bog part of the reason why we are in energy trouble. It's a monster. Also we need to learn from the past, (embargoes, world wars) for how to live frugally.
Unfortunately it seems that we have to learn the hard way.
I am also against coal and oil, but we have to use it. Question is, will they spend the money to make it safe and clean (with no bs) or will it be same ol s-. Remember coal miners who got cancer and lung disease from mining. There is no such thing as "clean" coal.
I think it's election time and that's why more bs in media about "clean" coal and "clean" nuclear, what a joke.
Remember Chernobyl and 3 Mile Island (among others).

The Energy Net » Top Nuclear Stories Oct (20th - 23rd)   October 25th, 2008 4:56 pm ET

[...] SciTechBlog:Nuclear power: seeing less political fission these days After being battered by its own missteps, near-calamities, strong opposition and financial overruns, the nuclear power industry is showing increased signs of emerging from a three-decade coma in the U.S. [...]

PAUL CICCOTELLI   October 25th, 2008 10:07 pm ET

A revival of the U.S. nuclear industry is long overdue. We live in a society where we do not want to do without a laundry list of modern convenience's. These item's require electricity in order to function. Which means that sooner or later we will have to build power plant's. We don't want to use fossil fuel's for all of their environmental degradation. So I think a combination of renewable's and nuclear is the best all-around solution. We should be developing our wind, solar, geothermal and biofuel resource's with a vengeance. Throw in nuclear and we got what we need. I recognize however that the question's of nuclear waste disposal, possible meltdown risk's and terrorist attack on our nuclear plant's must be addressed. We should answer these question's and get on with building nuclear power plants.

igh   October 26th, 2008 2:23 pm ET

Jesus always provides for his own. Look to him for all your needs, he will never turn you away. :)

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Franko   October 27th, 2008 3:00 am ET

The Global, Coral, CO2, Zombie - Death by Carbonated Soft Drink ?
http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/search/label/coral

CO2 has failed to warm US, failed to destroy crops
Failed to do wrong, failed to extinct the Wrong Whale
More than just plant food ? improved the thinking of only a few ?

XDAR   October 27th, 2008 12:37 pm ET

I though in nuclear power is that its harmfull.
Eventually it will stock up in waste, creating environmental hazards.
My question is why dont we make mass soler power plants in our dessers?

Aaron   October 27th, 2008 2:53 pm ET

Nuclear energy definitely has some benefits over our the methods we are currently more dependent on, but what nobody ever mentions is that even spent nuclear material will be dangerous for THOUSANDS of years to come. Plutonium has a half-life of about 26,000 years. That means it is dangerous, and continues to decay for 26,000 years before it has radiated itself to a less dangerous or inert material (even spent nuclear material is dangerous). This time frame is much longer than any human civilization has ever lasted. I for one, am not 100% confident that any society will last that long, without interruption (natural or manmade). Are we 100% confident that the technology, and the people required to maintain the technology, needed to keep spent nuclear material from being a hazard, will be reliable, safe, and secure for another 1,300 generations. This is the kind time frame were gambling with. This is typical human shortsightedness putting the entire future of all humanity at risk. I guess we'll never learn, and our childrens' children^1300th power will pay the price for us to be able to turn on the television...

Aaron   October 27th, 2008 3:05 pm ET

Oh, and Franko, what's with the word salad?? Do you even know what you're trying to say, or are you just cut and pasting from your favorite web site.

carync   October 27th, 2008 3:18 pm ET

Nuclear power plants require huge amounts of water, which in most places in the U.S. is in short supply, plus the cost of mining the uranium, and then storage of the spent fuel. Solar, tidal, and geothermal are the most cost effective technologies for power generation.

Ken Burnside   October 27th, 2008 4:31 pm ET

The Myths of Alternate Energy:

1) Commercially viable solar power plants using photocell technology have to have about 40% conversion efficiency to be competitive. They don't. Most solar cells are 22% efficient, about half of what's needed. (There are ones that get the 40% efficiency, but they require gallium arsenide (more toxic than plutonium!) and are literally worth their weight in gold in terms of manufacturing costs.

2) Wind power has proven to be a maintenance nightmare. Instead of one mechanical object to maintain in an enclosed environment, you have hundreds of thousands spread over the horizon.

3) Neutrons transmute steel into something else. No, neutron bombardment changes the isotopes of the elements. It does not change the actual elements to something else, nor does it change the chemical properties. Neutron bombardment does slowly change the mechanical properties of steel and other metal containment units, but then again, so does the process of exposing them to steam.

4) 4th generation breeder reactors have a nearly infinite (nearly 12,000 years at current rates of energy usage growth curves, almost 100,000 if we just stayed at current growth patterns).

5) "Deadly for thousands of years" – this is why the cesium-137 dust has turned everything in Ukraine east of Chernobyl into a wasteland, right? Oh, wait. Highly radioactive substances have short half-lives. That's why people still live there

6) Nuclear waste makes nuclear bombs! Nuclear fuel is enriched at about 4-6% U-238 by mass. Weapons grade is enriched to 70-80%. Low level nuclear waste from spent fuel rods is about 0.3% fissile material, and it's all low level radioactives with a long half-life, completely unusable for weaponization.

How low level is the radioactive waste? Mine tailings from coal mines are of comparable radioactivity, and the radioactive output from the smokestack coal plant in operation for a year is greater than all the radiation released by 3MI, and the lead and mercury released is more dangerous than all the plutonium in all the spent fuel rods in the US.

Basic rule of thumb:

If someone can't show you the math and help you follow along (and it's all high school level math for the most part), then they're trying to scare you.

Franko   October 27th, 2008 5:44 pm ET

Aaron;
"Oh, and Franko, what’s with the word salad?? Do you even know what you’re trying to say, or are you just cut and pasting from your favorite web site."

Who funds the scares ? To give children climate nightmares ?
Just picked up on this. Google: - soros realclimate –
Bad confuses, but people figure it out; Despite propaganda.
Cold is not Warm

Brad   October 27th, 2008 9:05 pm ET

Well first, lamest story title ever.

Second, Nuclear energy is a short term solution, the waste is the problem with nuclear energy. Solar, wind, other natural methods is the best solution for now.

NMS   October 28th, 2008 12:32 am ET

A certain OPEC nation admitted that it will cut production because gas and oil prices in the US are falling. We need to get off oil now. There is already an infrastructure to distribute electricity to run homes and even cars. Nuclear power would be a better source of energy and fuel than gas, oil, and coal.

Paul Capobianco   October 28th, 2008 7:47 am ET

There is hope that this country will finally rekindle the Nuclear Power industry. I say so because in spite of the clear bias in the article against Nuclear Power, the vast majority of the comments are positive. This situation points out the need for strong leaders who make their decisions base on science and not Polls. Obama's timid support of Nuclear power (he says he will conduct more studies) shows the kind of leader he would be. The Presidency does not require the skills of a college professor or professor. Thankfully the polls show Nuclear Power is popular so perhaps we will build a few even under an Obama administration. There is no such ambiguity with McCain; that is leadership

Lee   October 28th, 2008 11:42 am ET

It is good to see that at least a few people are thinking rather than reacting to mindless nonsense. Nuclear power is safe. For those who think we will have another Chernobyl in the US, do some research. We do not use reactors like that here. They did have inherent design flaws. Still, it was the operators’ actions that actually made it happen. But that is beside the point.

The American people are finally waking up and realizing that the fear tactics by the uniformed or biased are only hurting our country. If we had developed nuclear (as well as research into more long term solutions) we wouldn’t be in this economic mess right now. If you don’t like nuclear – fine. Disconnect from the grid or buy your power from non-nuclear sources. But quit trying to screw the rest of us over. Feel free to read by candlelight if you want, but don’t force your agenda on the rest of us.

I’ve had relatives die from coal mining related illnesses. And did you know that the steel industry has polluted our country with a lot more radioactivity than nuclear power? You want to ban steel from the US?

Reprocessing would solve a lot of our waste problem. The little bit left would be of minimal concern. And the real odds of a terrorist getting this waste and making a device (even a dirty bomb) are astronomical. We are probably much more likely to get wiped out by an asteroid. Of course it is possible though. Someone just needs a lot of money, a lot of firepower, the production facilities if building a bomb, etc. Oh, don’t forget the internet instructions. And while you are at it, pick up the ones to make an artificial brain and a flying saucer.

Be realistic. We live with things a lot more dangerous than nuclear power and don’t complain. But when people start having rolling brownouts/blackouts, then they gripe. True, we can be as efficient and conserve energy as much as we can, and we should. But why do we need to become more primitive just because of unfounded fear? You wouldn’t give up advanced medicine to fight cancer would you? You’d want it for your family member or yourself, right? Or maybe not, considering a lot of this is provided by nuclear reactors.

Anyway, the entire nuclear power cycle is safe. Of course, there are always risks in anything. It depends on your threshold. But think about it. Do you drive daily? What’s the risk there? Perhaps you drink more alcohol than is “good” for you. Maybe you smoke? Or maybe you are over/under weight? All these have risks. Are they worth it? Is clean, efficient and safe power worth the risk?

Even if it really was more expensive, it would be worth it. But the new reactors are being designed so that they are not all unique with the associated one time design costs. There are standardized designs now. They will last a long time. Plus the pipes won’t magically fall apart from neutron embrittlement. And again, with reprocessing, the waste issue mostly goes away – and will easily be manageable to any reasonable person’s satisfaction.

Sure, I probably got a little carried away here. But the hypocrisy of some of these posters makes me see red (no political intent in this statement at all.) Democracy is great, but thank the lord we live in a republic. Too many people just don’t think or bother to check facts. As flawed as our government may be, there are at least some sanity checks to make sure we move forward and don’t get bogged down by special interests or fear mongers. (At least not entirely.)

To those against nuclear: Tell the family that can’t afford the heat this winter (oil, electric – whatever) that we shouldn’t improve our power production capability – and lower costs – by using nuclear. Freezing all the time builds character, right? Maybe the kid who can’t breath because of air pollution (from fossil fuels including domestically produced coal) and whose inhaler is no longer helping – tell him the radioactive waste that is isolated and stored safely is actually a lot worse for him. Tell the people who lost (collectively) trillions due to the economic crisis caused primarily by oil demand and the associated price hikes for crude that they are better off. (The mortgage crisis was driven by rising rates which were caused by the inflationary pressure from rising crude prices – that is the real “smoking gun.”) You do know better than all these people do, right?

By the way, I doubt the election will really solve anything. The only hope we have is that intelligent people will have legitimate conversations about this and other issues and tell their representatives what they really want. And regardless of what my opinion is, or how vehement I may be, the most important thing to say – the bottom line – is that everyone should think for themselves. Don’t buy the hype or crap from any side. Use your brains! Think!

And to all – please don’t try to add legitimacy to your posts by listing your degrees. There is an issue of relevance here. It is better to be anonymous.

Coal Radiation   October 28th, 2008 1:34 pm ET

What about the fact that a coal plant releases 3 times the amount of radioactive waste into the atmosphere then a nuclear plant creates in a year. Most the waste created by the nuke plant is contained.

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/caaa/t3/reports/eurtc1.pdf

Bob   October 28th, 2008 3:34 pm ET

Politically, yes they say it is okay now, but just wait till someone actually tries to develop a new plant... Lawyers, Lawyers and more Environmental Lawyers. They will effectively halt production.

So lets get it over with and start into the 1,825,000 Wind Turbines needed to suplly the US with clean, free energy. We all know that 3 Years down the road our wonderful environmental lawyers will have nothing to earn a living wage upon anymore and it will be found that all those beautiful Wind Turbines are actually impacting the surrounding environment. Back to the courtroom and will will be back at the bottom of the stinking heap.

People, there are ideals and then there is reality. There is no way to sustain the human race without having left a footprint on this earth.

Steven   October 28th, 2008 4:20 pm ET

Part of me says yes to nuclear and part of me says no. The part that says no is the Chernobyl side..... humans are imperfect and make mistakes. Imagine if someone made a mistake and a city the size of Los Angeles wasn't inhabitable for hundreds of years as a result? The other side of me says to go for it because we have advanced so much with our safety systems and containment vessels.

I say go for nuclear, at least until we have commercially feasible fusion reactor technology.

Alexander Higgins   October 28th, 2008 9:41 pm ET

All of these pro nuke comments seem to be like posts from a bot, same posts but slightly reworded.

Nuke is not the way to go. No community in America is going to allow one to be built. In NJ, the Oyster Creek is up for renewal and the citizens will not the contract to be renewed. Even driving by that plant on the NJ Parkway is a spine tingling experience. If NJ residents won't allow it, I really cant imagine other states allowing it.

What happens to the waste? Why are our solutions to "kick the can down the road" and make our children deal with our problems?

And to all of you people touting the US Navy use of nuclear power... I think that is one of the most ridiculous inventions in the history of modern day warfare. Its a disaster waiting to happen. Just think about it. If the one of the subs the Nazi's sank during world was nuclear powered? What then? Nuclear waste washing up on our beautiful beaches? Waste that could never be cleaned.

A nuclear disaster is more or less a permanent one. That radioactive waste is prevalent for hundreds of years. We worship science so much, yet one day if mankind survives, future generations will look back and say if they only knew... You know one of those foolish things humans did because they didn't know... like the Romans using LEAD pipes for plumbing, using Heroin as a cough medicine, DDT, asbestos,etc. But I fear nuclear is far worse.

Regardless of the doom and gloom, waiting until 2030 is not a solution. Again, kicking the can down the road during which time one administration or another is bound to "reverse" the foolish legislation that approved it in the first place. We need an IMMEDIATE solution. For the same reason, domestic drilling is not a solution.. 10 years before a drop of oil is produced.

Economically, nuclear doesn't make sense either. Why dump all that money into foreign products, like Japanese reactors? The cost to store the waste etc.

Some real solutions... dump the cash into alternative energy solutions. Let's have the next economic bubble be used to better all of mankind, Wind/Hydro/Geo-thermal are all starts

But the promise is in solar, but not here on earth.. BUT SOLAR ENERGY FROM OUTER SPACE. you may think that that is insane, but its not. The sun always shines there and the solar energy in space in much stronger than it is on earth. Most of the entire telecommunications industry is powered by solar powered satellites. JAPAN IS ALREADY WORKING ON TECHNOLOGY TO HARVEST SOLAR ENERGY IN SPACE AND SEND IT TO EARTH USING A LASER BEAM.

Space is the next frontier and putting our money into commercializing space is the solution to our economic and energy needs. Solar energy is abundant there and humans have long dreamed of colonizing distant plants, (Total Recall).

In fact the survival of our race depends on being able to get off of this planet. In school we were taught we had about 5 billion years before the sun blew up. But with people going out of control with things like nuclear power and the human race destroying the environment altogether, I say its time to look to the heavens

Franko   October 28th, 2008 10:44 pm ET

Coal Radiation;
More coal energy, in fissionables, than in the carbon burned
Prudent would be to capture all the nuclear fuel, not let it out the flue.
Save the nuclear fuel for future generations, Perhaps for space travel ?

Clean coal now !
Have your energy and eat it too.
Double the cash. Sell the radioactives to the French ?

Allan J Federman   October 29th, 2008 4:33 pm ET

I I think there are many advantages to nuclear power Generation IV especially if this is applied as an inherently distributed architecture system that would function as a mesh network of independently owned by small businesses.
The availability of this technology today can help alleviate the current burden on our existing infrastructure.
Furthermore, the emerging technology is within our reach to bring this potential to a smaller scaled sized nuclear battery and create a new market segment which could reignite the economy.
If the market of “pollution credit trading takes off as independent industrial surveys indicate this will only further enhance competitative markets
This is a paradigm shift in the way Americans get their power today.
These types of changes are radical and are often met with great resistance until they become accepted by the communities with the expertise to understand.
Once the new technology is proven safe to the public and more accepted of course.
I believe that in the present time this alternative energy happens to be one of the proven and safe alternative methods that provide clean energy.
The key understanding is to decentralize and shift our thinking to independent sustainability via smaller commercial sized nuclear powered batteries as a possible viable option to national sustainability.
Keep in mind this is only my personal view and does not represent any other person, company or organization.

Thanks
Allan J Federman
anonymous.good.friend@gmail.com

Lee   October 29th, 2008 7:57 pm ET

Mr Higgins,

I hate to dissapoint you, but I am not a "bot" or a mindless individual. I can see by reading your post that you seem to be an intelligent thoughtful individual. However, I do wish you would investigate a bit further into the realities of nuclear power. I am concerned that you are basing your beliefs on propaganda rather than actual investigation.

As for approving new reactors, I think you are very wrong. Perhaps it is just that I grew up in an area with a nuclear power plant and where the people were progressive and intelligent, and not simply reactive to activists.

To be honest, if we had never developed nuclear weapons, but simply moved to peaceful energy production, a lot of this hype would never have surfaced. Too many people simply cannot separate nuclear weapons and nuclear power.

I do not personally know a single person who has died from the "nuclear" part of a nuclear power plant in the US. I do know of people who have died from coal power generation process, hydroelectric process, etc. And I do know people who died as a result of nuclear weapons testing. Also, the vast majority of the people affected by Chernobyl – especially children – would not have been affected had the potassium iodine been handed out rather than the Soviets take time to try and cover it up. Still, a Chernobyl simply cannot happen here.

Anyway, I just wish people would actually investigate and find out the facts about an issue before they make comments. Personally, I have to my satisfaction. And to those who had done their own due diligence, great! Even if we disagree. At least you are informed.

I am confident that nuclear power is safe and needed. If you honestly disagree, that is what America is all about. But just know what you are talking about first.

griesimatt1   October 30th, 2008 7:33 pm ET

"When considering the nuclear consequences of coal combustion, policymakers should look at the data and recognize that the amount of uranium-235 alone dispersed by coal combustion is the equivalent of dozens of nuclear reactor fuel loadings" -Alax Gabbard

We need to realize we hurt ourselves more by burning coal which contains specks of radiation, than we would be by turning that radiation into energy and then containing it (or recycling it) when we are done using it.

Remember we run about 20% off nuclear plants and 50% coal.

Franko   October 31st, 2008 1:29 am ET

"Galena Nuclear Power Plant"
A few oil black polar bears, or radioactive fishies ?

"Peoples' Nuclear Program"
Best way to toast sliced bread ? "No relation between consumption of nuclear toast and nuclear radiation has yet been found."

"Nuclear and radiation accidents"
Long is the list. A little radioactive uranium worker, or dead coal miner
More than 40,000 US driving fatalities, that is the standard of concern

Aussie Jane   November 3rd, 2008 6:45 pm ET

Let's talk cost. Anyone know how much an average nuclear reactor costs, to design, build, and maintain? These things aren't cheap, and they take over 7 years to go from ground breaking to power distribution.

Alche   November 10th, 2008 7:47 pm ET

Yes, building new nuclear plants quickly is of high priority. With the call ever increasing by the global warming crowd and the even MORE important issue of energy independence, we will NEED a lot more nuclear power. Increasing by a factor of 10 the number of wind farms still leaves us less than 5% of our electricity requirements. There are significant environmental concerns with Solar cells too if they are manufactured and distributed around the country in the quantities necessary to provide 50% or our energy needs – so no real easy answer there. We should use WIND, SOLAR, and NUCLEAR to reduce our reliance on oil and coal. We need to build them BEFORE we shut down coal plants or we will have electrical shortages and huge price increases resulting in many more job losses and severe damage to our economy and standard of living. We should also be investing 10billion per yr into FUSION energy research as regular nuclear energy has a much more finite supply and significantly worse environmental and weapons related concerns.

Calvin Hobbes   November 11th, 2008 3:20 am ET

Why can't we just buy the uranium from some other country? Leave the U.S. Southwest undamaged? U.S. Steel and Nucor are pulling out of the U.S? Well shipping prices are starting to fall again. If they close Yucca flats maybe we can ship the waste somewhere? How much does it cost to store it at Yucca? Can we store it on the moon or aim it at the sun? Weren't there reprocessing techniques when we had a nuclear industry to put it into inert material or re-invigorate the fuel? Obama said he will close down ALL the coal plants and mines in the U.S. Oil is most likely on the short list. That leaves just wind and solar. All the people in the U.S. Northeast may find that a challenge and a benefit as their home heating bills will have dissappeared for the winter.

John M   November 11th, 2008 8:18 am ET

If we're going to go back into building nuclear power plants, please please, please, do it like the french did it. Find one design, make it the best you can, then build that one design every where. If you change one, change them all. If you train on one, you could run any. And if you want to build another one, you'll know exactly how much it will cost.

floyd elterman   November 11th, 2008 1:18 pm ET

renewables wind, solar, hydro, and thermal do not produce greenhouse gases or radiation risk and tap a power source which will last much longer than we will. small scale renewables can be owned and operated by individuals providing employment and profit for millions. large scale operations will pay taxes and fees to land owners and governments. as a bonus natural gas used to generate electricty can be come fuel for vehicles instead reducing the need to import oil.

Justin Val   November 30th, 2008 1:15 pm ET

I'm thinking we should wait until we solve the problem of nuclear waste disposal. Also, with terrorism rampant in the world, wouldn't this create more targets? I don't know much about the possibilities of utilizing nuclear reactor as terrorist targets, but it seems like it could be a major concern.

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