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January 16, 2009

Would you eat a sea kitten?

Posted: 12:46 PM ET
You can make a cute little sea kitten character like this at the new section of PETA's Web site, peta.org/sea_kittens.
You can make a cute little sea kitten character like this at the new section of PETA's Web site, peta.org/sea_kittens.

You don't have to look at the page views of Web sites like cutelittlekittens.com to know that a lot of people adore kittens. Conversely, not as many people adore fish - in fact, cutefish.com has only the number 0.

The animal rights campaign group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, PETA, has decided to play off of our awe of kittens by re-branding fish as "sea kittens" in order to discourage people from killing and eating them.

"Would people think twice about ordering fish sticks if they were called Sea Kitten sticks? Help us save fish by changing their names!" PETA writes on its Web site.

The new sea kitten Web portal is complete with a petition, cute little stories about sea kittens - some attend Clamster University! - and a tool to design your own sea kitten. The petition has more than 4,544 signatures as of this writing.

"Given the drastic situation for this country's sea kittens - who are often the victims of many major threats to their welfare and ways of life - it's high time that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) stop allowing our little sea kitten friends to be tortured and killed. Who'd want to hurt a sea kitten anyway?!" the Web site says.

How far will this "sea kitten" label extend? Will people find themselves ordering the "Chilean striped sea kitten with mashed potatoes"?

Certainly there are already vegetarians out there who do not consume fish for ethical reasons. Princeton professor Peter Singer, famous for his arguments about why not to consume meat, similarly advocates avoiding eating fish in Animal Liberation, although notes that things do get fuzzier when considering simpler forms of marine life, such as mollusks and oysters.

Of course, besides being a favorite delicacy at restaurants and family dinners, fish also form part of specific eating rituals in certain cultures. For example, in China, the fish is served whole - with the head and tail intact - to represent prosperity, especially on Chinese New Year’s Eve. In Slovakia, it is traditional to let a carp swim in the family bathtub in the days before the feisty critter becomes part of the Christmas meal. And, it is a Jewish custom eat fish on the Sabbath, one reason being that the numerical value of the Hebrew word for fish, "dag," adds up to 7, and the Sabbath is the 7th day.

So what do you think: Is it ethically acceptable to eat fish? Will the sea kitten campaign be effective? Would your goldfish mind being called a sea kitten?

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Heloise Riddell   January 16th, 2009 1:02 pm ET

Hmmm...first they call tuna "chicken of the sea" and NOW they will want to call it "KITTEN of the sea"??? Somehow I don't think this idea will catch on in stores and especially restaurants...

Drew   January 16th, 2009 1:04 pm ET

I'm an animal rights activist and animal lover, but PETA is a complete joke that gives the rest of us animal activists a bad reputation.

They need to stop while they are at it. They are only shooting themselves in the foot more and more.

Dilgar   January 16th, 2009 1:05 pm ET

mmmmm...sea kitten....

Bob H.   January 16th, 2009 1:06 pm ET

Maybe we should start calling people "kittens," so that we stop killing each other?

Robert   January 16th, 2009 1:07 pm ET

I love catfish. So why not eat a "sea kitten".

aaron dubois   January 16th, 2009 1:11 pm ET

ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Fish are part of the food chain whatever they like it or not. The sea kitten campaign is moronic. My goldfish wouldn't mind if I call it all sorts of horrible names because they wouldn't understand a word I'm saying.

vel   January 16th, 2009 1:13 pm ET

Unfortunately, PETA makes a fool of itself regularly. I am all for animal rights but PETA makes that issue a joke to many people.

Michael   January 16th, 2009 1:13 pm ET

PETA just get more absurd by the day. You could call a fish whatever you want and I'd still eat it. What about catfish? Why don't they come up with something a little more original?

Joseph   January 16th, 2009 1:16 pm ET

All mammals are edible.

brr   January 16th, 2009 1:22 pm ET

These people are truly nuts!

There are people dying, starving, suffering – all over the world.. and they are spending time talking about what to call a dang fish and worried about people eating them ?!?!?!?!!

Give me a break.

Jerry   January 16th, 2009 1:28 pm ET

The whole concept of "rebranding" fish as kittens once again demonstrates the absolute disconnect between PETA and any form of rational thought. To answer your question, yes, it is ethical to eat fish. It is just as ethical to eat kittens, although neither I nor anyone I know advocates the practice. Aside from deliberate torture or wasteful practices such as shark finning, there is no ethical or logical reason for a member of Homo Sapiens to refrain from consuming other animal species as he or she so chooses. I'm not aware of any comparable debate among mountain lions as to the ethics of snatching joggers from hiking trails. PETA's specious and fallacious, nonsensical arguments prey on those who are incapable or unwilling to reason for themselves. To what end other than their own self-gratification I have never been able to fathom.

jason brown   January 16th, 2009 1:38 pm ET

My wife and I have decided to start calling our cats "Land Fish".

Thomas   January 16th, 2009 1:48 pm ET

i would TOTALLY eat a sea kitten.

In fact... i'm actually not a big fan of fish.... but a sea kitten? I'd add that to my diet twice a week, minimum.

You could call it kitten, new born baby, or name everything after my own mother.
If it tastes good, if it's healthy for me, i'm probably gonna tear it's cute little flesh from it's cute little bones with my teeth.

Jokester   January 16th, 2009 1:56 pm ET

I dropped my cat in the aquarium after reading this, just to see what a "real" sea kitten might look like. He didn't like it.... I don't think this is a good idea.

David   January 16th, 2009 2:03 pm ET

I love to go fishing but I can adapt and go sea kittening. "that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet"

Kyle   January 16th, 2009 2:03 pm ET

PETA= People for the Eating of Tasty Animals!

Bob   January 16th, 2009 2:04 pm ET

PETA is going at it all wrong. Instead of making the tasty fish sound like something loveable, they should play on the human trait that objectionable sensations or meanings are more off-putting. They should call them sea turds. Nobody would eat a sea turd.

tom   January 16th, 2009 2:09 pm ET

I will call fish sea kittens if PETA can be called People Eating Tasty Animals. Deal?

clarke   January 16th, 2009 2:15 pm ET

How can they claim to love the environment when they eat all of the plants?

Johnny U   January 16th, 2009 2:16 pm ET

Of course this could backfire on Peta the first time Junior discovers how tasty "sea kitten" is and starts chasing Moris around the house with a steak knife. lol.

Terri Hulbert   January 16th, 2009 2:17 pm ET

Did PETA come up with this "Water Kitten" idea while lunching on tuna sandwiches? Do they realize that Cats and Kittens enjoy eating fish? People enjoy eating fish! If you don't want to eat fish, or meats of any kine, that should be a personal choice....leave other's alone. I like eating fish, and no matter what PETA wants to call a fish, it's still called "food"!

blueheed   January 16th, 2009 2:18 pm ET

Nobody would dare think of eating a hot dog either since it reminds them of their furry pet at home... sure.

YardBoy   January 16th, 2009 2:19 pm ET

Sea Kitten... one of my favorites, right up there with Mountain Oyster ;^)

Pat   January 16th, 2009 2:20 pm ET

I'm all about treating animals as humanely as possible. I despise factory farming and over-fishing of the oceans. But "sea-kittens"? C'mon, PETA- you're not doing your organization any favors.

daddio   January 16th, 2009 2:20 pm ET

Doesn't PETA have bigger fish to (not) fry?

This campaign only weakens their credibility on far more serious issues, like factory farming.

Get real, PETA.

KnuckleHead   January 16th, 2009 2:51 pm ET

This is litterally some of the silliest nonsense I've ever heard of in my life.

S Callahan   January 16th, 2009 3:09 pm ET

lol....this post was a great lifter...a good laugh...

I tried to imagine what I would call my beloved homemade cod fish cakes........lol

Well, you have to give PETA and 'A' for effort ..that got our attention at least.

Sara   January 16th, 2009 3:28 pm ET

hmm... I'll have the sea kitten on a bed of tender paste with a nice alfredo sauce. Oh, and I'd like a sea kitten kabob on the side please.

Sara   January 16th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

excuse my typing, lol, i meant to say "pasta"

Jenny   January 16th, 2009 3:37 pm ET

Peta does much in its efforts but I think they missed this one by long shot. As someone who works in the environmnetal studies field, it almost angers me that an organization with the capability of getting the scientific truth out the public, specifically about overfishing and the depleting of our oceans chooses to make a mockery out of a serious situation. Im hoping it was geared towards kids, I could see that angle….develop a conscious early in life. Most adults wont be laughing when they cant find their favorite fish food at their local grocery...and dont think it's not going to happen because it already is.

Randy   January 16th, 2009 3:50 pm ET

Now this is the kind of foolishness that destroys the credibility of a good NGO. I bet the executive officers of PETA are having a bird over this silly article. I hope so, because it offended me so much, I'm seriously considering forming an NGO to support cannibalism. Save a fish, save a reptile, save a crustacean–eat a PETA supporter.

DJ   January 16th, 2009 4:45 pm ET

Another sensational attention grabbing story. I agree that animals should be treated ethically, that the right to exist extends to our neighboring species, but PETA is getting ridiculous. Unless they have some treatment in development which will result in humans being able to photosynthesize, we must continue consuming once-living material in order to survive. Our bodies were tuned over generations to eat both plant and animal material.
An understanding of the cost of our continued existence is a message PETA could send that I would support, but calling fish "sea kittens" to make eating them less desirable? give me a break.

Chris   January 16th, 2009 5:17 pm ET

This might be a step in the right direction, if people like eating fish, and then get used to eating sea kittens. Then maybe in a couple years we can getting real cat sold at the grocer. :D Anyone for a kitty pot pie?

Burt   January 16th, 2009 5:26 pm ET

The best way to ensure the survival of any species is to make it a food source for humans. Look at the buffalo:

1. They were endangered.
2. We figured out they taste really, really good.
3. They're no longer endangerd, but raised for food.

I wonder what polar bears taste like?

6ftRabbit   January 16th, 2009 6:42 pm ET

Burt, actually polar bear is a little tough and stringy and tastes of fish – Oops, I mean sea kitten. :) Btw, if given half a chance a polar bear will eat you before you can eat him. They are very fast, tremendously strong, and damn near bullet proof.

6ftRabbit   January 16th, 2009 6:48 pm ET

DJ, you make the same mistake as many other people. There is no "right to exist". There is a right to "pursue" existence; however that is no guarantee of success. Everything eats something else in that pursuit.

Jason B.   January 16th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Well, I love eating catfish now...why now a seakitten!

LifeBunny   January 17th, 2009 12:46 am ET

I'd eat a sea kitten in a heartbeat. I'm especially fond of sea kittens served raw on steamed rice...Japanese horse radish and soy sauce are good accompaniments to them...

Nice try, PETA...

Off to milk some sea cows and give dogfish their rabies shots...

Randy Tayler   January 17th, 2009 1:28 am ET

PETA reminds me of the KKK - completely irrational. I predict that they will continue to dwindle towards obscurity until they are no more than an online forum for like-minded morons.

Craig Nazor   January 17th, 2009 1:57 am ET

This is a very anthropomorphic, even "cute", idea that is trying to do a very important thing – it is actually pushing back against years of the same type of English "abuse". This idea is no more ridiculous than calling fishing "harvesting" – after all, harvesting apples doesn't "kill" the tree. As a matter of fact, a recent UN scientific report has projected that, at present "harvest" (kill) rates, ALL commercial ocean fisheries will be depleted by 2050. "Harvesting" apples is not nearly as destructive to apple production.

The point is, we are overfishing the oceans, and the result will be VERY BAD for all humans. I don't know about you, but that is as good enough reason as any for me not to eat ANY seafood at all.

G Alston   January 17th, 2009 2:49 am ET

Somehow the concept of pussycats and fish being juxtaposed is amusing in the "...but tastes like chicken" vein to my neighbour's 16 year old hormone addled boy. First thing he thought of (figures.)

PETA seems always good for the unintentional laugh. Teenagers are going to derive a great deal of mirth from this, apparently.

Samael Zhichao   January 17th, 2009 8:32 am ET

God placed animals on the Earth for us to eat. If we were not supposed to eat fish then fish would not contain certain nutrients that we need and can't get elsewhere. I think that if we were not supposed to eat meat we would not have canines and would have a mouth like a cow. We don't have that kind of mouth and we eat meat. "Don't hurt the innocent animals. You are not supposed to eat them!" Well I am sure that there is a predator out there who can and WILL eat them and would eat us too if given the chance. There is a reason for the existence of a food chain. For example. Bacteria eats organic material and excretes food for the plants. Plants are food for gazelle. The lion and cheetah eat gazelle. The gazelle corpse is eaten by scavengers and bacteria creating food for plants. The lion or cheetah poop giving more food for plants and when the lion or cheetah die even more food for plants which is food for the gazelle. We are part of the food chain too. Except we fit in a nifty little niche for OMNIVORES. We eat both plants and animals. Our digestive system is designed for it. We are meant to kill and eat animals although I firmly disagree with sport killing. People who go hunting deer just to kill a deer annoy me. If you are hungry and need to eat and want deer meat then go for it. Although personally I'd rather go buy the meat from a farm. Wild animals are wild. Farmed animals are dinner.

Valerie   January 17th, 2009 11:09 am ET

PETA people have waaaayyyy too much time on their hands.

David Emery   January 17th, 2009 12:08 pm ET

Check out these cute sea kittens:
http://images.google.com/images?q=monkfish
(Monkfish...)

Neil Johnson   January 17th, 2009 7:56 pm ET

Sea Kittens, Hmmm.....
I would eat a real kitten if I was hungry enough.
So would you. If you don't think so, you've never
been really hungry.

Alienprophecy   January 17th, 2009 9:10 pm ET

How about calling them something more appropriate, like "savory deliciousness"?

I wonder if you can design one of those sea kittens so that it's swimming in lemon butter?

Pablo   January 17th, 2009 10:58 pm ET

Why do we have to constantly here this one sided liberal animal rights nonsense?

Why are we constantly subjected to these editorials as news?

Put this type of writing under and editorial page. DO NOT MIX IT WITH NEWS.

Luke   January 18th, 2009 4:37 am ET

Pass the Salt and Vinegar please... I am about to eat up a whole mess of Sea Kitten filets and Blackened Southern Fried Catfish too.

Yum!

Doug   January 18th, 2009 7:45 am ET

PETA, PETA pumkin eaters, Is there any finer example of an organization trying too hard to be relevant. we all get the message of cruelty to animals, medical research etc. Those were pretty good causes that made us aware of unethical practices. But, sea kittens? Wait I got an ideal, PETA can really get this campaign kicked off by letting their field offices in Tokyo or Seoul lead on this one, I'm sure it'll be a smashing success over there. So will we now donate to Loaves & Sea Kittens? Hmmm and now that I think of it. What was up with that JESUS guy?

Franko   January 18th, 2009 8:49 am ET

What is the purpose for the deception of perception ?
The goal, the objective, of the PETAns ?
Fish have Mercury, so it is safer to eat a land kitten
But, if the cat dined on a arsenic died rat ?

sanjosemike   January 18th, 2009 10:41 am ET

PRESENTING ALTERNATIVES BETTER IDEA

As a vegetarian (not an "ethical" vegetarian), for almost 20 years, I think PETA is going about this all wrong. They are viewed as "crazy" by most mainstream people.

Instead of silly publicity campaigns that focus on absurd, emotional responses, they should display wonderful, tasty veggie options.

In fact, there are some wonderful soy based, breaded fish sticks that my wife (who is not a vegetarian) adores. In fact, she prefers them to real fish!

Veggiefarm makes wonderful soy based chicken that is virtually indestinguishable from real chicken, has a very long shelf life, wonderful consistency...and is very, very tasty. I could fool almost all of you on this one. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Let's stop the "falsehood" that vegetarianism is 3-week old, wilted, oxidized lettuce with a spoiled tomato on top of it. Yet, many mainstream restaurants think that is vegetarianism and that's all they serve. Veggie burgers are good, but nobody wants to eat them 3 times/day for the rest of their lives.

PETA misses the point completely. The point is wonderful, tasty, delicious alternatives. If I could invite you folks to live with me for a week, you'd beg for more...

Including a TOFU cheese cake with cherries and dark chocolate shreds on the top! Mouth-watering barbecued fake salmon, moist and delicious with oven-baked potato wedges and home made baked beans in my own sweet tomato sauce. I make a "chicken fried steak" that you'd kick down a door to get (completely vegetarian). The gravy is mouth-watering goodness on a crusty, moist fabulous dish that is virtually indestinguishable from the real thing. (It's fried, I don't make it very often).

I have a wonderful fake chicken salad that is better than real chicken salad. It also includes the option of sprinkling Masala spice on the top, for those who like spicy food.

You'll beg for more...

PETA be damned....come to MY place instead!

sanjosemike

Franko   January 18th, 2009 2:57 pm ET

Marketing, advertising, to fraud you out of your dollars and life
Stir up your instinct for nationalism, and mob action
Fight to preserve the opulent deceptions of the polygarchy
Your life has the value of a maxed out credit card
But less than a bunker buster bomb, just an artillery shell you are

PETA is skillfully demonstrating the power of marketing, hypnotism
Self-deception, fundamentalism, advertising, fraud, corruption
The list is long - unending, - unless you see it.

6ftRabbit   January 18th, 2009 4:29 pm ET

I like most veggies raw. I also like raw fish – sashimi, sushi. In fact I'll eat most anything that isn't poisonous, provided it doesn't eat me first.

Luke   January 18th, 2009 5:02 pm ET

Sanjosemike has some good ideas...

Being a regular Omnivore I've tried some of the Non-Meat stuff and some of it should just stay on the grocery store shelf.

Nathan   January 18th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Humans have souls....animals don't. I've disected a "sea kitten" and its brain is actually smaller than its eyes! This is another sad way of devaluing human life by trying to wear away the bondrays between animals and humans.

Diggity   January 18th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Lol I can see it now if it actually happened: "Unfortunately, as an unforeseen backlash, 'sea kitten' sales suddenly skyrocketed in Korea..." :P

emily   January 18th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Wow. I'm a vegetarian of 12 years... and I think that this is ridiculous.

oneStarman   January 18th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

NEWSFLASH – Fish aren’t warm blooded and Furry. Of course, PETA wouldn’t let logic get in the way of trying to make an inane statement. They are the kind of people that make me hesitate to tell someone I don’t know that I am a vegetarian – I don’t want to be associated with nut-case sociopaths that try to sway minds by throwing blood on starlets wearing fur. I’m pretty sure Dale Carnegie would not approve.

Harley   January 18th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

While I don't believe in animal [i]ethics[/i], there are some things that are wrong when it comes to animals. I'm not the kind of person who thinks "Let's kill all the animals", I think it's necessary to kill so we can nom on them.

Tim   January 18th, 2009 11:40 pm ET

I'm an environmentalist, but this is stupid.

Cats are annoying anyways. If they called them 'sea puppies,' it might have more impact.

Jacques   January 19th, 2009 12:16 am ET

PETA is a wonderful place to spend quality comedy time.

Do these people really represent any sense of reality? Western decadent culture could be described by the starving and poor of other nations as, "Having the means to survive but defining ways to deny yourself of that ability".

How many members of PETA, if starving, would not kill an animal to survive? Hmm.....

urbanalbino   January 19th, 2009 2:54 am ET

I had to laugh when I read this. Its a little catchy, but the whole idea is just ridiculous.

Steve   January 19th, 2009 4:06 am ET

I prefer to buy Field Kitten sandwiches at my local Burger King. Moo!

Franko   January 19th, 2009 7:03 am ET

How did PETA choose this marketing campaign ?
We need CNN to do reality investigative reporting

Distract and juxtapose, generalize the positive or negative emotions
No matter what - Tofu HotDogs, upset my stomach

Pete W   January 19th, 2009 7:44 am ET

I'm ok with ending real and unnecessary animal mistreatment. PETA goes way off the deep end: humans are omnivores! Some animals are and should remain food.

Furthermore, with some of it extreme positions on animal testing and so on, PETA completely misses the boat, prioritizing animals over humans.

I have a hard time with people putting time and money and priority into organizations like this when there are millions of starving and mis-treated PEOPLE in the world. I think that shows an extremely warped perspective.

Using cute animated animals is an attempt to create irrational support which is logically totally indefensible. I personally greatly resent such attempts at manipulating me. I'm fed up with that sort of thing!

JayCee   January 19th, 2009 8:07 am ET

Seakittens... Sounds delicious!! Are they best servered fried or poached? In Korea cats are servered boiled, not bad usually.

james   January 19th, 2009 8:36 am ET

Sea Kittens YUM! I didn't even like sea food until they started calling them sea kittens, now they're more appealing than ever, and as I'm discovering very tasty. I want to try shark fin soup, can't wait for that. Been eyeing my goldfish lately, too bad they already turned that 140 year old lobster loose, if it wasn't so far I'd go look for him. My cousin has some pretty big critters living in his aquarium, aquari-yum, maybe i'll go fishing this afternoon.

Dee   January 19th, 2009 8:48 am ET

C'mon, everybody, stop slamming PETA.

I agree this particular campaign is a bit mis-guided, but there intentions are good – to raise people's awareness that fish are living creatures too.

And PETA has done, and continues to do, wonderful work improving the conditions of animals who are suffering terribly in factory farms and other situations.

Have a heart – don't slam an organization that only wants to help and improve the lives of mistreated and abused animals.

Kei   January 19th, 2009 8:54 am ET

Breast milk ice cream and sea kittens... what will these crazies think of next? Will we be protecting mice from snakes and fish from bears? Survival of the fittest.

Anne   January 19th, 2009 9:09 am ET

Yes, the name Sea Kitten would make me think twice about eating a fish. I very rarely eat any kind of meat and hardly ever buy or serve it for others anyway. Yes Fish do get a bad deal. I find it hurtful and sad to see a huge fish fighting for its life being "reeled" in by a "Sport fisherman". Disgusting!!!

Kurt   January 19th, 2009 9:12 am ET

As a long time and happy member of P.E.T.A. ( People Who Eat Tasty Animals ) I can only laugh at this lunacy. Mind you, I can't wait to hear the next round of new Chinese restaurant jokes this will start. But I am glad to see that PETA is showing it's true level of intellect. My dinner plans this evening will include some Chilean sea bass and a nice crisp Sauvignon Blanc that goes particularly well with sea kitten.

Nancy   January 19th, 2009 9:33 am ET

I am not sure I get this. Are they against eating FISH? . . . or just commercial over-fishing?
They can NOT be serious. I am all for the ethical treatment of food sources, but that is just TOO silly to be taken seriously.
I read the "About Our Campaign" and it is vague – it doesn't really explain the agenda.
Also, I'm not really sure that's going to change anything. I've heard stories of people who use kittens as large-fish bait. I think that's disgusting and I don't agree with it, and hopefully it's just an "urban legend", but . . . I think PETA needs to re-think this one all together.

jN Did That   January 19th, 2009 10:08 am ET

As an advertising guy, I can imagine sitting at the conference table when this project came in from PETA. This is definitely one of those projects that makes no sense and was probably made fun of internally to no end – but you charge them just the same and smile like you think it's a great idea. ;)

Kelli   January 19th, 2009 10:08 am ET

I don't eat meat or poultry but I do eat fish. I don't think changing the name would affect me. I was raised on a farm and I can't think of eating the types of animalsI raised but I don't have that same attachment for fish. Although if I snorkel I do think about eating fish. I agree it is not logical but that is my story.

Mary   January 19th, 2009 10:12 am ET

I am over emotional about the well being of animals and find it a financial curse because I can't pass a single dog or cat on the street without either feeding it or taking it home to socialize it before finding it a home.

I spend too much time trying to take care of animals and understand their genuine need (instead of projecting my needs on to them) however, the idea of calling fish seakittens is over the top. While I love animals beyond what is normal and sane, it is clear to me that ONE THING MUST DIE SO THAT ANOTHER MAY LIVE. It is a fact of life that everything any organism eats was once a living being.

The reason we "pray" or give thanks before eating isn't so much to bless and praise God (I'm an atheist) but to remember the value of all living things before we put a fork in our mouth without considering the death and sacrifice that had to happen in order for us to live.

I think the rational and more intellectual response here is to remember NOT TO EAT MORE THAN WE NEED

Craig Greenwood   January 19th, 2009 10:13 am ET

This is pretty bad logic by PETA (again). I love fish as pets. I think they are smart, interesting, colorful wonderful creations. I also think they taste pretty darn good. Just because you put a different name on a fish stick won't change anything. People consume, that's what they do. PETA needs to get a real job.

sanjosemike   January 19th, 2009 10:33 am ET

NOBODY LIKES "EVERY" KIND OF FOOD...

Including vegetarian. Even omnivores don't like certain kinds of foods. I don't like every kind of vegetarian food either. Some fake meats have a strange after-taste. Some have a wierd consistency.

Getting used to a vegetarian diet is a learning curve. Not so much "retraining" your taste buds, but rather finding the stuff you like.

I have found frozen foods made by Vegefarm to be consistently good and tasty. You can prepare them in a huge number of ways. Most of them have a consistency very close to the "fake" meat they are designed to take the place of.

PETA is really crazy. The BEST way to get people interested in a vegetarian diet (at least part of the time) is to tickle their taste buds with really fabulous, tasty vegetarian dishes.

Look folks, I love to eat. I love great food. I could never be a vegetarian if the food was actually like what most mainstream restaurants serve as "so-called" vegetarian.

One a year is enough for me for a veggieburger. Vege hot dogs are way too salty and some have an after taste I don't like.

Your best bet is to go to an Asian market and look in their frozen food section for Vegefarm products and try them.

Buy their frozen chicken first. You can do almost everything with them that you can do with real chicken.

Cutting down on meat and fish (including the mercury levels in them) is a good thing. Forget PETA. Do it for your health...

sanjosemike

mcai   January 19th, 2009 12:59 pm ET

Some Oceanic cultural foods are based totally on fish. They would not survive otherwise. So such a narrow minded focus ignores some global realities for other nations.

Katie   January 19th, 2009 12:59 pm ET

As a veterinary student I find this absurd, but very predictable. It seems in every moronic, off-target campaign like this, PETA attempts to undermine the ideals it supposedly stands for. Instead of raising awareness about important issues (such as animal cruelty, hoarding, etc), it chooses these ridiculous attention grabbers that only serve to alienate people who would otherwise support animal ethics.

I have to wonder what these people think of animals that are strict carnivores (such as cats). Do they believe cats should be forced to eat vegetarian diets (leading to a very rapid death for the cat unfortunately)? Or do they hypocritically support the death of animals so that cats may be happy and healthy?

I do know for a fact that the head of PETA believes in dog breed bans and forced euthenasia of said breeds. Apparently she was attacked by a pit bull and thinks they all deserve to die as a result.

For the record, as long as animals are humanely treated I'm all for eating them. For that matter, certain tribes in New Guinea (among other places) practice ritual cannibalism of their deceased loved ones, as a sign of respect. I'd like to respect some PETA members...

Franko   January 19th, 2009 1:25 pm ET

Three Cheers for PETA
For helping US clearly identify the rings through our noses
How the process of deception works, for the benefit of the controllers

One fraud, deceit, corruption after another
Marketed so well, that dying to protect the projected fantasy
Becomes heroic indeed (Eat a takeout Heroic Cow Burger)

Mike M   January 19th, 2009 4:38 pm ET

PETA has to be the group least in touch with reality that I'm aware of... why do they continue to get so much press??? Ignore them and maybe they'll go away!

Kathryn   January 19th, 2009 5:03 pm ET

Nice try, but a kitten isn't cute because of its name. You could trade names with a leech, but the parasite will still suck.

james   January 20th, 2009 8:16 am ET

This story just shows that any idiot can adopt a cause and fight for it. It also shows the length an idiot will go to promote his cause. People don't like idiots, so when one comes up with something as stupid as this it is no wonder they get the response this group got here.
Any way it's too late people. This planet is being ruined by greed and stupidity and since there is no way to get everybody on the same page as how to save it, it's going down. You can't even get people to agree that climate change is real. This in spite of the fact that the great ice masses of the world are vanishing and weather patterns are changing all over the world. (Glaciers and polar caps are the fresh water storage of the earth that slowly release fresh water into the system during times of little precipitation.)
Anyway it isn't going to matter much whether it was man-caused or just a 100,000 year cycle, when there is no clean water left it will be over regardless of the cause. When the fish are gone, millions of people will starve. When the rainforests are gone we'll all be in trouble.
Think of the earth in this way. A huge eco-sphere with a fragile oxygen source, huge oceans and polar caps whose heating and cooling surfaces create weather engines that take the evaporated water from that great source and blow it over the land to water it. Huge rainforests that clean the atmoshpere of carbon dioxide and replace the oxygen we use. Now imagine that eco-sphere being taken care of by a people who limit pollution, who are conscientious of others and aren't driven by greed, but driven by the desire to perpetuate the health of the planet. Now compare that to what we have today. Whatever will be the answer? Certainly not preserving every fish in the sea, we have to eat. And certainly not preserving every tree, we have to build. And certainly not stopping all the drilling, we have to have energy. A huge terrible thing was set into motion many decades ago and unfortunately is being perpetuated by the greedy super rich in the world. The other unfortunate thing is this terrible thing is getting momentum from the fact that the population of the world is outpacing the resources. Probably a more accurate thing to say would be the use of resources is outpacing the availability of resources, because the wealthy of the planet are using more than their share and the impoverished aren't getting theirs, but either way it won't matter it's over. Because we can't go back in time and stop the terrible thing and we can't stop the greedy because of the "get mine while the gettin's good and screw everybody else" attitude they have. Greed = money. Money = power. I'm not saying that everyone who has money is greedy, I'm just saying that greed for money and greed for power go hand in hand. Just a thought, have a nice day.

Johann Tetreault   January 20th, 2009 8:44 am ET

Sure you have to watch the idiots of the world, and you dont forget to wear your brown shirts, and bash them upside the head. Hell maybe the people that are ruining the earth should be placed in CAMPS.
Everything must be done in moderation, not extremism. It just really makes me mad, as I see it as another Nazi propaganda item. There are no good answers for the worlds problems, all I am saying is that if you don't learn from the past you will repeat the past.
Intelligence and education are the keys to save the world, NOT EXTREMISM.
But what do I care this will fall on deaf ears and no one really cares.
I just have to say most of the people I have met in the PETA are nazi's in disguise. The extremes they are willing to go thru, are very Nazi. I have seen them beat people up for eating meat. I have seen their propaganda films. They are morbid, and uncalled for.
What ever happened to moderation? Next thing you know they will be armed and start to shoot people for eating fish.
But like I said who really cares as no one cares. They only care about their own problems, not universal problems.
Please remember that YOU MUST LEARN FROM HISTORY.
Most of the environmentalists are very right winged to the extreme. But then on the other hand the corporations that exploit the world resources do it only for profit, and not for the good of humanity.
Everything we see and everything we do in the USA seems to revolve around Corporate Greed.
What proves it is the fact that those fish sticks and have very little REAL FISH in em. They are most additives, and breads. They must use as little as possible and increase profits by using deception. The problem is not the fact that people eat meat its ALL 100% corporate GREED.
I dont know what the answers are really, but I will ponder on it for some time to come. But I do KNOW that the answer is NOT extremism.

Jeff   January 20th, 2009 10:04 am ET

I sure would eat a sea kitten.

jayh   January 20th, 2009 10:58 am ET

Eating fish, or the flesh of any other animal is disgusting. Go ahead and bash PETA all you want, but some day when you realize you're fat and have cancer you might give this a second thought.

fearmonger   January 20th, 2009 3:25 pm ET

I happen to enjoy all types of kitten in my diet....air kitten, forest kitten, plains kitten, sagebrush kitten, wallow kitten, and dairy kitten.
By the way, how many ecosystems has/does man alter to produce those non-ambulatory kittens during his unbelievably short and irrelevant stay on this planet?

Eight   January 20th, 2009 8:23 pm ET

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

The problem with Peta is that they sold out ages ago. They sacrificed the moral high ground to further their own name and branded image. They are a laughingstock as far as I'm concerned.

Franko   January 21st, 2009 12:07 pm ET

Honesty was in the comedy of the PETA Sea Kitty
Run the economy, past empty, on debth, not funny
Call Global Cooling - CO2 forced climate change
Rewarded with 72 Virgins, for being Guantamo Allah Zombie

Wind Turbine powered, algae and pond creature factory
The ObeWan Greeniest Change burger for all
Good for your hearth,
Won't need a Clinton Cheeseburger jigsawed bypass

Shawn   January 21st, 2009 2:28 pm ET

A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet. I'll eat fish occasionally, even if it's named Baby Jesus.

Franko   January 21st, 2009 8:59 pm ET

Focus, in the Roman Religion - Host est Pocus - vine is Blood
Just like the carnivore headhunting cannibals
You become what you imagine

Kitty litter or DiVine Saviour
Imagine your next mouthful

RJ   January 22nd, 2009 3:15 am ET

I think the question “Would people think twice about ordering fish sticks if they were called Sea Kitten sticks?" could backfire... I don't think it would make me want to stop eating fish – I think it may actually just make me more likely to want to eat kittens. There's absolutely nothing wrong with eating a fish. If given the chance, a fish will eat you and it has, in fact, happened on occasion. People who are pro-"the ethical treatment of animals" forget some very basic truths about life and miss some other more complex philosophical arguments entirely. Nothing lives forever, therefore, does it REALLY matter how it dies? The universe is cyclical and in the end, when the universe either implodes or expands to its own demise, our ethics, no matter how civilized and advanced, will never save us from this inevitability. Therefore, the only hope any of us have of existing beyond the end of the universe lies in God's hands, if by some unknown feature of being God, he/she/it is not bound by the destruction of the universe in its entirety. Moving forward, by the transitive property, if ethics in their pure form are moot, and on the off-chance that God exists there is some purpose to our existence, then the only ethics that matter are God's. God himself/herself/itself has set in motion a system by which the organisms in it consume each other to survive to maturity, procreate, die, and then be consumed by other ravenous organisms. Part of this system also involves survival of the fittest (most well-adapted) as a mechanism for proliferation of any given species. We are NOT at the top of the food chain... nothing is. It is circular. The worms that eat you when you die, or the lions, tigers, and bears (oh my) that try and sometimes succeed in eating you while you are still alive do not concern themselves with ethics. Does a mosquito worry about the itching you are going to feel after she bites you? Under any system of logic you can reach only one plausible conclusion. Animals are there to be eaten. We are, what makes them so different? Humans like to think themselves above or separate from nature – this is not the case. Whether we like it or not we are eyebrow-deep in nature and are bound inextricably linked to it. It is perfectly natural, and therefore "right" for me to want to eat a fish. I will most certainly eat just about anything with a face because there cannot possibly be anything "wrong" with it. Next time you're alone with a hungry tiger in the jungle, try and explain why it is wrong for him to eat you. He will pause just long enough to ask himself why his food is making all those funny noises...

Mark   January 22nd, 2009 7:07 am ET

Nothing wrong with eating fish. Hey, they'd eat us, right?

sanjosemike   January 22nd, 2009 12:38 pm ET

TRANSFER OF PROTEIN AND CALORIES BETWEEN SPECIES

PETA entirely misses the point that the transfer of protein and calories between species is simply a fact of nature, as RJ eloquently points out in the previous post.

But there might be some clear advantages for (humans at least) to avoid the large quantities of animal protein that we ingest so regularly from our births to our death (in the West.).

If there is no god or gods, which I too believe, then there might be some "advantages" to trying to live a tad longer and be in good health during that time.

Cutting down on animal protein is a key to a longer life. Not to say that it should be avoided altogether, but simply reduce it.

That would be very good for our environment, since commercial meat production is enormously wasteful of every natural resource we have...and is highly polluting as well.

So...this issue can bend to common sense, and it does: PETA should concentrate on environmental issues and forget "ridiculous" ideological campaigns that people just laugh at.

My solution: Reduce your animal protein ingestion to no more than twice weekly. You may live longer, be subject to fewer degenerative diseases and even experience the benefits of easier weight control.

(Yes, I am a doctor).

sanjosemike

Franko   January 22nd, 2009 4:04 pm ET

Excess protein harms the kidneys, reduces your life span
Lots of CheeseBurgers, and you need ex-President Clinton's Bypass

I knew someone diagnosed with Protein Poisioning
Cure was to cut back on the Tofu

Predators we are, the continuous Predators' motivation is hunger
Hunger gatherers, too successful, by killing their hunger kill themselves

jayh   January 22nd, 2009 4:05 pm ET

RJ, not all animals eat other animals. I personally believe that humans are not meant to be carnivores. Why are we the only species on earth that has to cook our food? I could be wrong, but perhaps it's because we weren't meant to eat meat.

At any rate, I respect your opinion, although I disagree with it... :)

Scott   January 23rd, 2009 5:19 pm ET

As johnathan stewart said, "No! I won't eat a sea kitten...But I'd dig right into a land fish!" (insert picture of cute kitten here)

LexVegas   January 23rd, 2009 5:52 pm ET

I'd eat a sewer rat if it tasted like Pumpkin Pie.

Franko   January 23rd, 2009 10:08 pm ET

Law of Nature - Basic classification
Eyes in front means predator - Eyes on side means prey

PETA got this mixed up - On Purpose - Genious Marketing !

Chris   January 25th, 2009 2:04 am ET

Law of Fact checking – Basic skill of commenting

How many sharks have eyes in the front? Biggest predator in the ocean right?

You got things mixed up – you like kool-aid – bad post!

DJ   January 25th, 2009 7:50 am ET

I support an Ecological-Evolutionary Land Ethic, wherein all species have an intrinsic value to their ecosystems. An effort to approach resource use in a conservative way in order to respect the rights of species is imperative.
However, this effort by PETA is an anthropomorphic smokescreen, an endorsement of a Romantic-Transcendental view of nature akin to John Muir. It doesn't mean they are wrong, but this view of nature isn't entirely helpful, as it can easily do as much harm as good.

Jayh, humans are not carnivores, we are omnivores and as such are fit to eat animal protein as well as plant material, our inability to process raw flesh is a testiment to the interconnectedness of humanity with other organisms. When we started cooking the flesh of animals we stopped needing the creatures which lived in our digestive systems and allowed us to effectively process raw meat, thus they were selected out of the population. I could be mistaken, it has been a while since I've studied human history.

sanjosemike   January 25th, 2009 9:36 am ET

OF COURSE HUMANS CAN DIGEST RAW MEAT

The posters who have said humans can't digest raw meat are simply wrong. They can. If they wish to eat raw meat in larger amounts, they need to do it over a period of time, in order to allow the intestinal flora to "adapt" to it. We have lots of e-coli. They will take care of it "as necessary."

If you try to push raw meat too hard and fast, I guarantee you will not tolerate it well (at the beginning.).

DJ is correct that humans are omnivores. It's a matter of species survival. That's one of the reasons why we've done so well, as a species.

A balanced ecology is the key. Humans, because they have the ability to control their ecology, have loused it up. Animal rights activists, although they mean well, have a hard time recognizing the horror of protein transfer between species.

And it is horrible. Animals suffer horribly and die. PETA want to change that, at least among humans. It's fully understandable. But it is not reality.

Nature is ugly in the extreme. The lady who runs PETA is an atheist, like I am. She of all people should understand. There is no god or gods. Nature is "what it is."

PETA is naive to the point of absurdity. All they do is shoot themselves in their own feet.

sanjosemike

Charlotte in New Mexico   January 25th, 2009 10:12 am ET

Good grief. Without looking at ANY of the other comments, I surmise that PETA is trying to turn the world into vegetarians by whatever absurd extremes they can think up. Now, personally, I primarily eat vegetarian but I have no political agenda against the consumption of meat, fish and fowl. Nature designed us to be omnivores and there is such a thing as a food chain. That having been said, there is a lot of room for reducing the amount of animal / fish / fowl we eat; the advent of factory trawling, farming, and massive aquaculture (as well as huge cattle and chicken operations) have given rise to dangerous stresses on the populations of these creatures, absurd availability of these foods (without refrigerated trucks and industrial-sized fishing industries, people in the Midwest wouldn't be eating as much sushi as they can) if nothing else has contributed to our obesity epidemic and unhealthy heart and artery conditions in the human species that was designed to be omnivorous but has in the last 50 years towards absurdly high meat-based diets.

PETA's "sea kitten" and other similar ridiculous insults on the intelligence of the population is going to backfire, or, at the very least, lead the general public to completely dismiss the underlying legitimacy of a message that is being carried to extreme by over-zealous and rather unintelligent activism. PETA could convince us to reduce our consumption by pointing out the very real health implications, environmental motivations, even shaming us from a fashion and attractiveness standpoint, into shunning these foods, but a blatant insult to our intelligence is simply going to earn PETA,our scorn and eventual deaf ear.

Franko   January 25th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

You have the Animal Fat Marketing interests
Eggs, Cheese, Bacon, Steak, Fish
Only Ω3, Cod Liver, Fish oil is good -
Others, no matter how tasty, build up to heart bypass

PETA is mixing and trasposing images and peferences
To benefit a discussion of understanding

When the bugs get ground up with th wheat
You eat Bug Fat - Good or bad for your arteries ?

Jerry of Madison, WI   January 28th, 2009 12:13 pm ET

PETA is made up of whackos that give the human race a bad name... I say we take back the name PETA by re-defining it as...

People wo
Eat
Tasty
Animals

Franko   January 28th, 2009 1:06 pm ET

PETA transposed ideas
Bill (bypass) Clinton though CheeseBurgers are good for your heart
Elmer Gorio got Warm and Cold mixed up
Saint Allen Greenspan was able to borrow the economy

Kenny   February 10th, 2009 5:20 pm ET

What a joke! PETA needs to go the way of the Bush Administration!!

Franko   February 12th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

There is a diversity of ecology of ideas
Reduce the diversity, kill ideas, Gore the truth
Everyone, self hypnotozed, - Heart bypass is good

Don   February 16th, 2009 10:12 am ET

I ordered the coffee cup *and* the button (available from Cafe Press). I did so mostly because it's so stupid that it's funny, and I support people that can produce entertainment at this level. PETA as a serious political org? Ha ha, that is to LAUGH.

So, get YOU a coffe cup, or button, or t-shirt today so PETA an continue to produce entertainment, because hey, they gotta eat too.

Tim   June 9th, 2009 4:36 pm ET

Check your facts...PETA will stoop to outright falsehood and complete fabrication if it "saves one animal"....look into the history of what they did in relation to Dog-mushing...they claimed mushers will kill unwanted puppies and then feed them back to the dogs....
1) none of the mushers in Fairbanks would consider this practice
2) the dogs would refuse to eat such offerings, except in the most extreme depths of starvation...even cut up, it would still smell such they would refuse it.
3) check into the WHOLE PETA agenda....if you own a pet, and don't let it run as wild as it wants to, if you make any effort to make it behave, you're "abusing the poor thing"....

Alex   June 11th, 2009 3:59 pm ET

Fish are so tasty that this new name is going to make kittens a dinner option as well.

seakittensareinmystomachnow   November 10th, 2009 12:17 pm ET

I am eating a sea kitten right now. Yum those things are SO good! PETA needs to stop making a fool of themselves.

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