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February 14, 2009

The death of BitTorrent?

Posted: 09:55 AM ET

If Pirate Bay goes down for the count, could it take all of BitTorrent with it?

The people who run the massive BitTorrent site Pirate Bay ( are going on trial for copyright violations next week in Stockholm, Sweden.

BitTorrent is a popular peer-to-peer file sharing protocol which is widely used to share large media files like television shows, movies and music.

TorrentFreak has an interesting article which quotes Raynor Vliegendhart of the Tribler P2P team at Delft University of Technology, who believes that the Pirate Bay’s servers support as much as 50 percent of all the BitTorrent traffic on the Internet.

So the general belief is if they go down for any extended time - or, God forbid, permanently - it could have a huge impact on torrenters everywhere, including leading to the failure of other trackers (sites that coordinate the sharing process) due to overload.

As always, can’t wait to hear what you, our valued viewers, have to say on this topic.

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Stronze   February 16th, 2009 6:14 pm ET

i used P2P to steal movies and music cuz i was to poor to buy them in the store.

fast foward a bit, i used BT and P2P to download 1 song that i liked to avoid buying an entire CD.

now i use netflix to watch my movies.
i use internet radio stations to listen to music.

i agree it hurts the industry to pirate music and movies but i also agree that corps are greedy and try to milk every penny from its old movies that no one is willing to pay to see.

while browsing movies and i see a movie i havent seen in a long time but i would like to see again just once,im not paying 20 bucks for a dvd so it can sit on my shelf for a year or two to collect dust.

thr advantage of digital media is that it doesnt take up physical space.
when i want to get rid of it,i just delete it.

no one wants to just throw away a dvd cuz they paid somethin for it and want a lil money back to get rid of it.

that is why im a huge fan of netflix and will stay a customer for as long as it is up.

Kevin in Boise   February 16th, 2009 6:41 pm ET

I second nina's comment. Don't want to have people steal your stuff? why not sell it *in the medium* that people use. I don't want to spend the $2.00 in gas to drive to the local video store to rent a film for $2.00. But I'd still pay the $2.00 to get the film.

And frankly, the folks at i Tunes basically did that. Buy the song and then download it. Seems the same is happening at netflix.

The "entertainment industry" could certainly afford some kick-ass servers and other infrastructure improvements. Example: drop a server in Boise to assist the local community in buying your products. You'll provide good employment for the very IT types that are sitting at home getting "into trouble" because they don't have jobs.

And to you 21 screen cineplex theatre owners, convert one or two of those excess screen rooms into restaurants. Stop charging $5.00 for $0.50 of popcorn. Offer a real meal in a sit-down restaurant down the hall from the theatre. My wife will demand – DEMAND – I take her out to such a place at least once a month.

Here are some clues:

1) Bits are cheaper to ship than things. Get used to it and stop trying to "license" your products. Sell them to customers instead. Sell them legitimately and (most, but I grant you not all) will buy them legitimately.
2) Provide value and the money will come. Don't make crappy movies or music and then complain when you get 0.02% market share in sales.
3) The economy will not be better for many years, and you can't legislate profits. Sorry 'bout that.
4) When you look out for yourself, no one else will. When you look out for others (example: employ people with a current business model), others will look out for you.
5) As my wife says "a bored engineer is a dangerous thing". I suspect the moon shots and other space activities have kept a lot of engineers from getting "into trouble" with missiles, atomic bombs, and conventional weapons. The US didn't use lawyers to try to keep these people "in line". Take a hint.
6) And to you in the advertising arena, make your ads good, and stop putting 12 of them in the commercial breaks every 15 minutes. Pick one ad. Your ad will have more impact and people will actually watch it.

a downloader   February 16th, 2009 6:51 pm ET

I go to the movies, download it, and then buy the dvd when it comes out. Hollywood gets my money twice, so why i cant i have a digital copy in the mean time?

mus1k12   February 16th, 2009 7:45 pm ET

Playing a movie, music or using files that are copyrighted without paying for them is theft, end of story. Saying that using copyrighted material without paying for it is like telling a little white lie. The intent is to decieve and to take something that is not rightfully yours.

That being said, the movie and other industries should be seriously looking at what happened to the music industry when electronic distribution caught on. Either they will adapt and learn to provide a high quality service on-line that people will pay for, or they will fall in the same way the music industry.

Alex   February 16th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

I buy everything and do not use any pirate site. So it may surprise you, I still fully share your hatred of RIAA, because they do not allow me do anything even with the things I have legally bought. They have made it impossible to rip the funny part from the DVD I bought and put it in my computer. I cannot put my VHS into digital format because my camera says it is proprietary ( yes, proprietary but I bought it and paid already for it). Then, as a world citizen that lives parts of my life on both sides of Atlantic, they have this crazy 'DVD region' system designed to harass innocent and honest people like me.
I do not steal anything from these RIAA b-rds myself but I am very happy if somebody does. They fully deserve it.

Derik   February 16th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Right now, you can go on P2P networks and download almost any song you want. Yet– iTunes is BOOMING.
There will always be a small core group just intent on not paying for the product... but Steve Jobs made it MORE convenient for people to PAY for music than to steal it. And people ARE willing to pay for it!
The RIAA stonewalled, dragged it heels, declared music will NEVER move online and proposed all sorts of unworkable draconian solutions for almost a decade before Jobs could convince them to give it a try. "No, seriously. Just give them MP3's with no DRM. They'll pay for them, just watch."
And we did.
This is where Television is today. Kicking and screaming, grudgingly moving their content on to websites... just as consumers move OFF of websites onto cell phones and personal media players.
BitTorrent isn't so popular because it's free (though that doesn't hurt,) it's because people WANT unchained content.

I buy DVD sets of shows I love– and never crack them open. I download them instead so I can watch them any way I please. I HAVE PAID FOR THESE SHOWS, but it is ILLEGAL for me to circumvent copy protection to rip them onto my computer or cell phone.
Screw that noise. Laws that stupid should be violated as flagrantly as possible until the court is EMBARRASSED enough to put its foot down and stop the criminalization of Fair Use.

The last estimate I heard was that 40% of the US population has downloaded music, TV of movies. At maximum penalties, they can all be sent to jail.
When a law is passed that turns 40% of the population into criminals, it is the LAW that is wrong.

Franko   February 16th, 2009 11:49 pm ET

"95 Percent of Online Music Downloads Are Illegal"
Corporations, with enormous legal and obbying capabilities
Versus the addicted to a tune teenager.
Get them hooked young, not to smoke, but to a beat

Solution is to eliminate the corporate legal entity
Sue person to person - Make it fair

god is watching   February 17th, 2009 2:28 am ET

can we agree on renaming Hollywood to Hyperbole ?

how many of the nay sayers here against bit torrent are on this CNN comment forum spamming for MPAA ?

mainstream media is where common public sentiment is generated, MPAA knows this and so fills any popular comment section with torrent bashing.

look people this is not about freedom of file sharing, this is about BIG money. and I totally agree with earlier post stating that Hollywood wouldn't have sold many more copies if file sharing were put down. just the ranting of an eight year old CEO.

last question, why are Hyperbole heavy-corp so STUPID to not see that if they put their own stuff online for a cheap price they could actually make money from this ???

arrogant idiots

Some One   February 17th, 2009 7:14 am ET

Omg we have moved already

Rapid Share
Mega Video
Z Share

Theres enuff file networks to move about on.

Gluck With it We dont die we Multiply !

chris   February 17th, 2009 7:28 am ET

Good riddance! Every time I've had anything to do with a .Torrent file, my Norton antivirus popped up and warned me that my computer was under attack. Somebody please shoot that pirate fleet right out of the water.

Juan   February 17th, 2009 8:50 am ET

58.4% of all statistics are made up

Will   February 17th, 2009 8:51 am ET

Lame excuse for being a thief # 1: "But they charge so much!"

Lame excuse for being a thief # 2: "I can't get it if I don't steal it!"

Lame excuse for being a thief # 3: "There, like, shouldn't be any restrictions"

Lame excuse for being a thief # 4: "It's the company's fault!"

If you can't or won't spend the money, if you can't see it, do what you wish you could with it, then here are two words for you:

Go without.

The entitlement attitude in this country is out of hand, the world doesn't owe you anything for free. These guys aren't Robin Hood, they are not heroes to be admired. All I see are weak justifications for stealing other people's work.

I read one of their arguments will be comparing it to making cars that go faster than the speed limit. Well, what happens when a person is caught going faster than the speed limit?

Filesharing can't be stopped, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be fought, especially when it is done so blatantly and with arrogance like TPB.

Kuato   February 17th, 2009 9:20 am ET

If ThePirateBay goes down they will just be considered martyrs fighting the good fight. I find it amusing that the RIAA and other agencies still haven't figured this out yet. I mean, remember Napster? They got shut down and what happened? People download elsewhere. Yeah PirateBay may have 50% of the torrent users, of that I don't know. But what I do know is that if/when they go down, people will move on to other sources. File sharing will never go away. Its just too convenient and there really is no way to stop it.
All this is is an act of desperation, plain and simple.

And what is so bad about sharing movies and music anyways? If we can exchange and share information so freely over the internet, why not entertainment? What is it that I am stealing by making a copy of something and sharing it? I am not taking credit for work that someone else has accomplished. All I am doing is sharing that work with others. Why should we have to pay $18 for a crappy cd with one decent song on it? Or $20 for a movie that was over hyped and is absolutely horrible? Your only options are to suck it up, pay $0.99 for songs, or get them for free. Hmmmm

Obvious   February 17th, 2009 9:38 am ET

Downloading torrents will never be stopped. Good luck

HawaiianHokie   February 17th, 2009 10:25 am ET

PirateBay will not go down. When their place was raided and 200 servers were seized the site went down for a couple days but was back up using servers at different locations around the world. It will live on.

Rich   February 17th, 2009 11:06 am ET

I was reading one of the few anti-PB comments by "i hope they go down", it was quite amusing. For example as a money savings idea he offered that we shoud "by a used copy". We can't because that would be illegal. All software is sold for use on one machine ever, it is illegal to put it on your destop PC and your laptop. It is illegal to format the hard drive and crush your old PC and install the software on a new PC you got for Christmas.

As you see, the current copywrite laws are old, out of date and even draconian. They were written for printed books, not software. If you buy it, it is not yours.

Rich   February 17th, 2009 11:09 am ET

PB is acting no differently than the Library of Congress card catalog. Indexing where you can go obtain a book and get full use out of it without ever paying the author for his hard work. The public library system is illegal copywrite infringement we all take for granted, and consider a good thing.

Notice that RCA announced they will no longer sue for infringement? The lawyers took all the money and the music industry got nothing.

Someday the world will catch on to technological advances, but until then the lawyers will all suck us dry.

Aurixx   February 17th, 2009 11:56 am ET

I am a downloader (although not really into torrents). I get the fact everyone bitches about how the actors and directors get kind of money hungry, but what about the other people? What about Key Grip and all those other people you have no idea what they do in the credits? And the artists that slaved countless hours for the dvd cover art? Sure, the actors don't really hurt from downloading, but they do. The few things I have ever torrented I have either bought or intend to buy, and it's really only for a copy on my ipod (this whole "free digital copy" is bull because they usually only work on windows media player). If you like it, be nice to the little people in the system and buy the stuff.

Franko   February 17th, 2009 12:20 pm ET

When most people are tagged as criminals, by non-human legal entities;
Corporations, with unlimited legal resources, become the heroes ?

Who makes the rules ? only a few Guilt Peddlers ?
In a dictatorship, what does public opinion matter ?

Metapieman   February 17th, 2009 12:36 pm ET

Why don't you all pay for the service like you should? What is wrong with our world when people are upset because they are being told they can't steal anymore? Would you all walk into a cornerstore and stuff candy in your pockets without exchanging money? Would you be upset if someone told you it's wrong to do so? Man oh man our society believes we all deserve what we take. Sad...sad.

Frak   February 17th, 2009 12:48 pm ET

So you're saying that writers and actors don't deserve to get paid? That they should work for free because you want to download without paying for it? Once everybody stops paying for entertainment, how do you propose these shows and movies get made? Oh I see, other people are supposed to pay for it but you are unique and special and don't need to pay, right? I bet you think it's okay to shoplift, even though it drives up the price for other customers. In the olden days when people stole they would cut off their left hand. Maybe it's time to bring those days back.

ThyRaven   February 17th, 2009 1:47 pm ET

This is so funny. Pirate Bay isnt really a torrent host either. This is what makes this even more fun. They are a hybrid meaning yes they host torrent files but they are most considered a torrent search engine just like isohunt and demonoid. Yes Pirate Bay and Demonoid host and are trackers but 80% of the torrents found on these three sites are just files to get the item wanted. None of the copyrighted or ripped media is stored on a torrent site, it is actually all on the sharee's PC at home in the basement/bedroom. So if you all wanna sue someone sue yourself for allowing any Joe Dirt to buy your product off the shelf cuz that's where it orginally came from.

Capt Jack Sparrow   February 17th, 2009 4:11 pm ET

On the second of the day of the trial nearly 50% of the charges against The Pirate Bay were dropped.

The prosecutor was unable to prove that the .torrent files used as evidence actually used The Pirate Bay’s tracker. Many of the screenshots used at the trial clearly state there is no connection to the tracker. Additionally, prosecutor Håkan Roswall didn't adequately explain the function of DHT which allows for so called "trackerless" torrents.

This has resulted in prosecutor Håkan Roswall having to drop all charges relating to "assisting copyright infringement", so the remaining charges are simply 'assisting making available'. Everything related to reproduction will be removed from the claim.

This is old news, is CNN running out of stuff to report?

If you support TPB, buy a t-shirt, and wear it proud to your nearest record store, Best Buy, Sam Goody, FYE, and so on...

jens stenkjaer   February 17th, 2009 5:12 pm ET

here in denmark they shut down the acces to the site but it takes 2 minutes to get in anyway . it can´t be stopped .
besides if the inventors get konvicted many others would fill their shoes , remember that in our part of the world we don´t have long jail punishment in cases were nobody gets hurt

F Hollywood   February 17th, 2009 7:15 pm ET

If they close down The Pirate Bay, I bet it'd take less than a year for something better to come out.

Remember Napster? They shut it down and look at where we are now.

Joel in Canda   February 17th, 2009 7:32 pm ET

American copyright laws do not apply to the rest of the world – as much as US companies may wish them to. Deal with it.

Putting TPB on trial is a scam. They don't host any copyrighted materials. Prosecutors in the case realized that today.

If these companies what to sue someone, sue all the individual users out there who are sharing copyrighted materials.

IP-eerless   February 17th, 2009 11:45 pm ET

Also, the ators and writers already got paid. they got paid when theyfinished the movie. It's the producers and directors taht would suffer from downloads. The only problem is, they make the most money in ticket sales, not DVD sales.

Actors get paid when they sign the contract. Writers get paid when the script gets accepted.

There's no real theft going on.

Still can't stop the signal.

Corbyn   February 18th, 2009 4:35 am ET

When Weird Al wrote "Don't Download This Song" (available for free download on his website) he was making fun of all the stupid lawsuits. In the song, he took the position of the artist losing money, trying to stop the downloading. He asked "How else can I afford another solid-gold Humvee? And diamond studded swimming pools: these things don't grow on trees. So all I ask is everybody please don't download this song..." If Weird Al, a music artist, thinks fighting illegal downloading is a joke, why should we fight it?

Franko   February 18th, 2009 5:12 am ET

Evil Corporations, and Marketers, fraud the morality,
Devil is in the asymmetrical, - Steal a newspaper; Get legally hammered
Steal $50 Billion; Get house arrest for a while
Fraud the World Economy to Depression, Saint Allen Greenie you are
Protected Automakers, flying to bailout beggings, in private jests ?

Selling Sugar Water, with Proprietary Spices (Coke and Cola) is the model
Expect the world population to guard Cash Cows with a fence not erected ?
Constitutes, lack of due diligence !

Public is cheated, competition is stifled, by the distribution method
Few watch decades old sports games; preference is for the new
Yesterday’s news, sold as current, protected by the manufacturing of Public Guilt
Prevents competition, innovation, and progress

Knowledge, paid for, and guarded by, your taxes, is hidden,
Behind Dollar$ closed institutions - Watch; Colbert-Lessig

Keith   February 18th, 2009 7:29 am ET

All it takes is a number, no matter what is done, the numbers will never go away so file sharing, legal and illegal shares is never going to go away. Fix the problems that cause it in the first place.

To the guy in the industry... I do have dish service, most of what I watch is still done on the PC. I can watch it at my convenience, and without commercials. So, if I am paying for something I rarely use, perhaps I would pay someone else instead if it took into account why I watch it the way I prefer to? Yeah, so the industry wants it their way, I want it my way, I can have it my way, so which way am I going to get it?

Talk some sense to someone in the industry to look at other ways to provide what people want, rather than wasting money on trying to shut down something that has not been able to be shut down for 30+ years, file sharing.

Special K   February 18th, 2009 8:52 am ET

I pay for netflix, digital cable, sirius radio and pay to watch/listen to them all online. So no I don't feel bad for DL'ing a movie that I've already paid to watch or song I hear 20times a day. That being said most of what I dl is anime which you can't even get in the US untill like 2-3years later and then it has horrible american voice actors and not subs.

ITER   February 18th, 2009 9:43 am ET

Well, even if they (The Pirate Bay) are convicted it is all to late to close down torrent sites. The music industry has been to slow and to lazy to follow the technological development on the Internet. The torrent sharing communities are here to stay. Even, if the industry succeed to close ALL of the sites (which is not likely) the file sharing will continue, but in coded form..

Anyway, they haved sued the wrong part, to sue TPB is the same as sue Google or ebay. Its not the TPB that put up the copyrighted material, its the users. If you find a stolen car on ebay, will you sue ebay then? If you Google pirate bay or some other torrent network, will you sue google then?

Shawn Miller   February 18th, 2009 10:50 am ET

I'm a music artist "on the side", so I'm never going to be rich *or* a significant victim of BitTorrent. ;-) But I just wish people would be accountable for their actions.

There's no argument that closing one door opens another, and I don't believe it will ever be possible to prevent people from downloading copies of things for free, and the music/film/etc. industries need to accept that.

But please don't insult everyone's intelligence by playing word games to convince us you're not stealing. The law is, you were supposed to pay for what you took, and you didn't. Whether someone else is rich enough not to care doesn't change that. If you steal something from a mansion, it's still stealing. Are other people greedy? Of course. But don't act like a martyr in the process. If you're too cheap to pay for someone else's hard work, just say it and move on.

Hell, *I'll* say it. That's why I usually opt for freeware when I need a particular software application. But at least there the creator(s) of the product had their say in the matter.

Rationalization is human nature, but we can rise above it too.

Franko   February 18th, 2009 11:50 am ET

Stealing from thieves ? Absolutely not !
Somehow, a song, blowing in the wind, garbage or not, you pick up

The chain of responsibility, of ownership, broken where ?
Internet litter, by Evil corporations, not thrashing their garbage
Good fences make good neighbors

People feel cheated by the Corporate Corrupted Government

jack   February 18th, 2009 12:09 pm ET

Who cares, I download piles and piles of movies but I still go to the movies. These people are already absurdly rich I dont care about the rich artists losing a few dollars.

Jake   February 18th, 2009 2:14 pm ET

Why does it matter how rich these people are? Should it be legal to rob Bill Gates or defraud him out of millions through some phony charitable organization that you set up just because he's got dollars leftover? ridiculous!
You're stealing their intellectual property plain and simple. I've never in my life seen a legitimate argument in favor of allowing "file sharing"

marky   February 18th, 2009 2:22 pm ET

what is this guy talking about? like pirate bay shutting down is going to bring all of the intertubes to a grinding halt! it's already happened. in 2006 during a police raid the pirate bay was shut down for a few days, three i think, maybe a week. point is, i was using bittorrent then, and didn't notice a darn thing. pirate bay shuts down, someone else picks up the slack.

Funkster   February 18th, 2009 2:33 pm ET

Too bad for the newbs.

Dan   February 18th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

FOOLS. Industry is incompetent beyond measure. First came music industry v. Napster. out of its ashes sprung many downloading programs like limewire, bearshare, etc. Then came torrents. The next wave could have been extremely cheap, legally purchased downloads, but Industry has rejected this notion. Idiots.... Downloads require pennies to offer as compared to initializing production lines to produce DVDs. Charging the same price for a download as a purchased piece of tangible property shows their lack of market demand knowledge. greedy greedy greedy.

Scotch   February 18th, 2009 3:16 pm ET

So is burning a CD illegal?

Ray   February 18th, 2009 6:23 pm ET

usenet will never die!
A lot better too

Bob   February 18th, 2009 6:41 pm ET

Marky, what the heck are you talking about...Sure they were taken down for a day or so but it was ruled that the police did so illegally. Now they are on trial but half the charges were dropped the first day. All the prosecution has is a "Making available" charge but thanks to people like Jim Keyzer, the police officer who was working for the police and Warner Brothers at the same time to get evidence for this case, it will be dismissed in no time.

jack   February 18th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

Hey jake heres a legitamate argument.

How about the fact that its legal to purchase all the equipment i need to download and burn. They give me all the means I need to do it.
So why shouldnt I use all the resources that I have legally purchased for what ever I want.

Devil's Advocate   February 18th, 2009 8:57 pm ET

I think it would be hilarious if the music and movie industry set up their own P2P site to replace Bit Torrent. They could set it up to "download" the purchase price of the content from the recipient's bank account.

Same thing, right?

Now THAT'S sticking it to the man!!!!!

Franko   February 18th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

Do you accept the tyranny of non-human legal entities,
Greedy Cheating Corporations, lobbying for laws that people reject ?

Brian   February 18th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

I would say the best way to stop internet piracy via bittorrent is to get ISP's to charge US$0.001 per kilobyte uploaded. When you get that first bill for the 1 gigabyte you uploaded you'll quickly shut down that bittorrent.

Hack the Planet   February 19th, 2009 6:28 am ET

Yarr, maties! Bring forth ye pieces of eight! We're going to summon Calypso, and show these coorporate bastards what-for! Show them what happens when ye mess with pirates!

But, seriously, with the massive amount of information streaming around the internet, pirating software/videos/etc is an IMPOSSIBLE task to stop. Why, youtube alone hosts THOUSANDS of movies that infrige copyright. Even with their daily tuesday "Slash and Burn" tactics, it doesn't even EBB the flow of illegal viewing a fraction.

These guys just want to put on a show by making a big deal over some folks who had a really good idea(Which had really fantastic market value, but they opted not to go for it because FREE MEDIA INTERNET).

-Hack the Planet

Franko   February 19th, 2009 1:43 pm ET

The real Pirates are the Government Financial Planners, Lawmakers
Sailing the Economy; Past the edge of Depression

Enabling other fraudings, case in point;
GM CEO, Wagoner - after destroying General Motors,
seriously wants to continue using his talents to Pirate your Tax dollars

Sun   February 22nd, 2009 1:57 pm ET

"What some people don’t understand is that the majority of people that pirate software never had any intention of buying the software in the first place if they weren’t able to pirate it. They will instead go to a freeware alternative, even if it has less functionality."

Smartest thing posted in all of the comments. I don't download much at all, and what little I do (a song here and there, perhaps an old game) I would never bother paying for. If it wasn't available online I just wouldn't get it, so I don't really see who I'm hurting in the process. This might seem like a stretch in justification, but it's true. Heck, I'm 100 times more likely to stream a song on youtube/the artists facebook/etc than to buy it, I hate to say it but if I can't get it for free it's not worth my money; I've got bills to pay >.<

If they removed every torrent site right now I guarantee it wouldn't get me to their stores.

Amit   February 23rd, 2009 7:52 am ET

i totally agree with the first comment, that even if they shut down the the pirate bay its a long way to go for them to shut down all the torrent yeah even if it shuts down the users wont be at a loss and the amount of torrent traffic wont decrease so why bother?

PoorMan   February 23rd, 2009 10:02 am ET

to: i hope they go down
You are an idiot without a vision, if there will be no sharing there will be fewer and fewer ppl that watch your stupid movies and without an audience you have no reason to make any movie at all. You make movies for us not for yourselves ! It's kinda time to realize that.

Most thieves are made out of necessity rather then out of evil will. Cut prices on DVDs, CDs more ppl will buy and less ppl will download – its as simple as that.

For all the crap movies I see I'm glad I didn't have to pay for all of them, they should pay me for watching and wasting my time :P

... and what right do anyone have to spy on me, what I do in my home is my business! I pay for my net and I want to use it as I choose. Get the f... out of my home ! Soon you will be forced to buy toiled paper because if you wipe you a... with a leafs you made someone lost his dollars. This world is a mess...

Franko   February 25th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

"McLuhan - medium is the message" and "global village"""
The fraudsters want to spy to control - regulate in every way

PIII; "Intel processor has probably gained more attention for protests
over the company's decision to insert an ID number into the chip"
Intel backed off, due public protests.

There is a discrepency, - The controllers want to identify,
with a branding iron, fence in, all the domesticated humans.
The wage slaves, no privacy at work, or afterwards, at play or at home.

The controllers and the controlled, want the opposite
U$ is a demoncracy ? not a failed state ?

steve   February 26th, 2009 11:09 am ET

stealing doesn't become OK just because alot of people do it, musicians (other than the big name studio supported rich guys) are struggling to find ways to make a living, for those of you who don't know it is really ridiculous!! we're talking people with families not just kids, drop your prejudicial preconceived notions, playing bars SUCKS! and everyone is getting this idea that they should get your music for free online, how are you supposed to make a living? its getting to the point you make more selling band T shirts, I'm serious! imagine if every one decided YOUR occupation should be free, "yeah I'd like to pay you for building an addition to my house but all my neighbors are getting theirs for free, I think you should just GIVE me your time, training and hard work" imagine its impact on YOU, how is it different for a musician who wants to post music for download and get paid for their WORK?? if your not happy with the commercial studio producer crap generally available then SUPPORT musicians by paying for their work like you want to get paid for YOURS

Franko   February 26th, 2009 12:41 pm ET

Honesty and tough love for the teenage girl downloading past the
limits of her allowance. - Bailouts for the undercapitalistic bankers,
needed to support $5.1 million personal bonuses ?

Each according to his need, the capitalistic creed ?

SissySEK   October 20th, 2009 5:22 pm ET

I Love the pirate bay TPB is absolutely amazing. Yes, I download movies from others, also games, and programs, whatever I want!!! How should that be illegal???? IT's no different than when my buddy buys a movie and then loans it to me to watch.. FTW, I love TPB!!

wow   October 21st, 2009 9:21 am ET

dude, srsly? almost a year later?

Sydney Collins   October 1st, 2010 6:14 pm ET

my sister is a computer programmer and she earns lots of buxx from it`':

Philippine Lotto Result    October 18th, 2010 5:14 pm ET

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