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September 9, 2009

Pirated copy of District 9 posted online

Posted: 12:41 PM ET

A DVD-quality copy of the sci-fi blockbuster "District 9" was posted to file-trading networks over Labor Day weekend. According to TorrentFreak.com, the movie was downloaded over one million times within the first 24 hours.

Downloads of "District 9" are likely to exceed the leaked workprint of "X-Men Origins: Wolverine," which News Corp. President and COO Peter Chernin claimed in May had been downloaded over 4 million times.

Most movies are available on the Internet within a few days of their release, but the quality of these early leaks is typically poor and all but the most prolific pirates avoid them.

The "District 9" release is described as an R5 copy, or a retail DVD sold in Region 5 - Eastern Europe, India, Africa, North Korea and Mongolia. Studios release R5 DVDs early and without any special features or image processing in an effort to compete with bootlegs in areas where piracy is prevalent. The R5 copies are not meant for sale in any other region but that doesn't stop them from being distributed on the Internet.

The popularity of "District 9" among an admittedly geeky online subculture and a high-quality early release have attracted millions of downloaders. Executives at Sony Pictures, which is distributing the film, are probably cringing at these numbers, but any effect on box-office sales has not yet been reported.

Don't shed too many tears for Sony Pictures, though. The film, which reportedly cost less than $30 million to make, has already earned over $100 million at North American theaters.

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Brian   September 9th, 2009 12:58 pm ET

Don’t shed too many tears for Sony Pictures, though. The film, which reportedly cost less than $30 million to make, has already earned over $100 million at North American theaters.

I fully agree with that statement. Most all movies that get the hype about being downloadable, also happen to be the ones that make a whole lot of money. Though the MPAA is convinced that all people that download the movie don't go see it. All the movies I've downloaded recently I'd already seen them in theaters at least once. Sorry, but when I spend 11.50 3 times to see something in 3D, I'm getting me a copy for my Sansa. A DVD costs less than what my tickets were.


Vinnie Bartilucci   September 9th, 2009 2:25 pm ET

Movie uploaded to internet. In other news, groceries found at supermarkets across America.


Ben   September 9th, 2009 2:31 pm ET

"Don’t shed too many tears for Sony Pictures, though. The film, which reportedly cost less than $30 million to make, has already earned over $100 million at North American theaters."

So you are not only condoning theft but saying it is fair to "Robin Hood" and steal from anyone that makes money? What kind of horrible person are you? I don't care if the movie made 100 dollars or 1 billion, it is their money and any theft (which pirating is...) should be thwarted and reviled as the evil that it is.

It is people like you that cause the industry to adopt DRM and other painful measures me and decent PAYING individuals have to deal with.


jack   September 9th, 2009 3:10 pm ET

I don't feel sorry for the MPPA at all. Tickets and goodies for a movie at $40 for 2 people. No wonder young people pirate the films, I don't blame them.


blank   September 9th, 2009 3:19 pm ET

DRM has been a total failure to any pirating efforts, it only serves to irritate people that bought copies of movies and music.

And additionally to those that paid to see the movie and then download a copy, a lot of people that download copies wouldn't have paid to rent or buy the movie if that was their only option. It isn't really lost income as it was never available to the industry to begin with.

This is simply go to continue to go on, the industry will make a harder-to-crack and then new decoding software will come out. Locks only keep honest people out. They need to look back into the whole basic economics of price balancing


Stan Smith   September 9th, 2009 3:41 pm ET

I feel bad for the production company that actually made the movie, but not the studio that got the rights to it.

The big studios use crappy marketing techniques like the deliberate delay of theatrical releases to "maximize profit" and saturation bombing of trailers for movies they won't let reviewers see in advance. Then to top it off, they wait 4 months to release a movie on DVD, even though it's a rare film that stays at a decent theater more than a month due to the rapid release shedule of new, crappy movies.

Sad to say, I'd like to download it – but I'll wind up buying it anyway. So DRM doesn't work except as an irritant in my case. I love the visual/aural quality of BluRay, but not the fact that it takes MINUTES for the player to boot, let alone another minute+ to read the JVM/copy protection. A-holes.


Phantom1   September 9th, 2009 4:29 pm ET

Ah the ever so popular debate, to understand the debate one must know "what is pirating?" Back in the 1700 it was robbing ships of their booty, maybe even killing the crew in the process. Now modern day we refer to pirates as those who "steal" movies/games/music. Now lets take a look at why they steal in the first place or anyone for that matter....lets just say your a kid again (granted your no a kid now) and you see an awesome CD you just HAVE to have, back in the day stealing was common for most kids who didnt have the money, cause if you did have the money espcially as a kid (and i speak from my own opinion) id rather buy it then risk getting caught, however nowadays there is virtually no risk associated with takin from the internet, if you know what your doing on a very basic level.

Now Im not codoning piracy, but you have to realize the less fortunate use the internet to get things they usually would not have the money to buy, so you see in essence no one is losing ANYTHING, and yes there are some who could afford it, but Id have to say most people "pirating" dont have the money to even buy that cd/game/movie.


Franko   September 9th, 2009 5:48 pm ET

 
Downloading, without recognizing the Divine Rights of Corporations,
is Blasphemy against God and all that is good.

Sinners; Repent before the end. All your downloads are tabulated.
Downloads that you cannot provide proof of payment for,
You will be forced to watch eternally !


Shock Troop   September 9th, 2009 6:47 pm ET

Here we are again with the same old theme, "pirates are evil" and "movie makers are poor victims". Don't people get it? The old way of making money from software and movies is obsolete. Consumers don't want to pay the high prices anymore! Piracy, no matter what label you try to put on it, provides consumers with something that business never will – freedom!

I've been pirating and hacking for a long time. Over 20 years! I can tell you straight out, truthfully, that most piraters will buy a legit copy of something IF IT IS WORTH IT. There is a difference between the average pirate and a straight cheapo. Few people in the media have been around the scene long enough to know the history of piracy, the scene, groups, and people. Many in the media are novice computer users that probably started out in Windows 95, got some BS degree/certs, and think they're experts.

The opposition will tell you that is a lie but I have a shelf full of LEGALLY PURCHASED stuff, and so do many others I know. The rest, even though it got pirated, never really got used. It sits on a disc/drive and eventually gets erased or forgotten. 5% of what is on the market is useful. The other 95% is pure junk looking for an excuse for failure. Piracy has become a scapegoat for poor quality developers. Just because it gets spread around DOES NOT indicate that it was good quality and would have been popular. A lot of stuff gets spread around regardless of its quality. It all runs through system of suppliers, crackers, and courriers.

The cheapo's or warez kiddies, who never buy a legit copy of anything, would never purchase it EVEN IF piracy could be stopped. They are not elite pirates! So stop calling them that because you don't know wth your are talking about! Most of these writers and so called "experts" have zero experience on the subject, and make claims that are often false. They look in from the outside and get fed tainted information from govt/business PR departments (practically the same thing). Do you really think the elite pirate community would let these idiots inside? C'mon, use common sense.

Also, piracy will never be stopped. I've seen hundreds of protection schemes come and go. Piracy can never be stopped because the method to unprotect data for the consumer must be provided to the consumer, either on the media or digitally transmitted, otherwise they wouldn't be able to use it. It's basic logic! As the systems become more complex they forget that they are still slaves to the most basic of computer code, which is, and always has been the primary method of attack.

FACT:

The real solution is to drop prices, use more reliable media, offer better products, AND satisfaction guarantees. What is so bad about that? The industry refuses to do it and somehow they are to good guys? They already know the solution. However, it's much easier for them to find something else to blame losses on. Losses....(Laugh). They're still making billions.

Strange, a pirate does something and he/she is called a liar and thief. A business does it and it's called "marketting". (shrug)

– Shock Troop [MDK]


b-habits   September 9th, 2009 7:41 pm ET

to franko: well it's a damn good thing i only download stuff i like!


Nate K   September 9th, 2009 8:08 pm ET

Thanks for the notice Franko...i am eternally sorry for downloading this movie. I would not want to watch it for all eternity...heck...i wouldnt want to watch it a 2nd time.

Ok now to the non crazys. Lets put it this way....if there was a way to get a few gallons of free gas every time you filled up...EVERY PERSON IN HERE WOULD DO IT!!! Why? Because the gas prices are rediculous and companies are making record profits. Downloading movies are the same. How much money does one company need. Americans spend their hard earned money to go see these films. Lets look at that. WE give THEM our money. So do these companies put their money back into america? NO!!! They give it to their actors and actresses in the form of HUGE payments for other movies. So, what do these people do with that money. They buy a really nice house somewhere by the ocean maybe 2 or 3 and everything they could ever want and then sit back and watch their bank accounts get huge. Americans giving our money to people who will never put that money back into america. So i say forget them. Ill download it. They get paid enough as it is...and thell never create more jobs or contribute back to us. Its not like there running out.


brock   September 10th, 2009 12:08 am ET

This movie is available in North Korea? You implied it in your region 5 description.


Rickey   September 10th, 2009 12:20 am ET

I haven't been to a movie theater since "21 Dresses" came out, and THAT was for the sake of a date.

I spent $18.00 on tickets for the two of us. Ridiculous.

If the MPAA wants to bring back the consumer, they're going to have to redirect their efforts from policing the entire internet to giving us a reason to come back.

Bring back the $5.00 movie ticket.


WGraves   September 10th, 2009 1:00 am ET

A lot of hard work goes into making a film. Its amazing!! If you can not wait for a $13 dollar dvd, when it comes out then I don't no what to say. If anyone worked 3 months to 3 years on a project and have some clown earn any money from it just because he or she has a computer......would be incline to beat the crap out that person. But people are like ....Hey its not me, so who cares.

When did theft became acceptable?


mark   September 10th, 2009 6:47 am ET

I can't wait to watch it when i get home. I don't have any money bc the economy sucks. Corporations have rights like people which is very unfair. It's impossable for a poor person to win a case against a corporation bc they can afford more and better lawyers. So this doesn't feel like stealing. And it won't until corporations start treating people with respect (by not gouging their wallet everytime we need or want something.


Eric   September 10th, 2009 8:27 am ET

"Don’t shed too many tears for Sony Pictures, though. The film, which reportedly cost less than $30 million to make, has already earned over $100 million at North American theaters."

Sony already got me for 2 tickets in the theater and I will buy on Sony's Blue Ray format when released. So who really cares if someone downloads a release like this. Do you really think it hurts sales? If anything, more people at universities will see it and in turn talk about it. It is a good movie, so they will turn around and but it on Blue Ray for their PS3 or other player or just pick up the regular format.

This is the same way the movie Office Space made all it's money. By spreading around on the Net and then people buying and renting it everywhere for years to come.


uzipolo   September 10th, 2009 10:05 am ET

i think its just marketing to sell more tickets as far as District 9 goes, but lets do some history on why piracy happens....
i wont bore you like others that have posted on here , but i will shed some real light on why this happens because it is ofcourse done for a reason i will just do 2 films that comes to mind,,,,,,,,

Original Gangster-this folks was the CLEAREST BETTER copy OF THE THREE (district 9 wolverine, ) way superb quality and the bootleggers made a killing. how did this happen? Jay had two meetings with denzel, he wanted to be in the movie. at first denzel was like yes, i will see what i will do, the second meeting,, well.. not so friendly.. because of his ego, jay-z realesed HIS OWN original gangsta mixtape and a street documentary original gangsta but to add insult to injury somehow he had a fixer/blackmarket get a copy of the movie and release on dvd WORLDWIDE and mad sure(because of his ego) to make it the best bootleg out as a result the film came out 3 weeks before the movie hit the films, no one was shocked about the timeframe, the were MORE SHOCKED about the quality and if you thought that was a trip, they even had a DONT BUY ANYTHING ON FRIDAY DAY when the movie came out which i thought was funny, the movie didnt gross like it was supposed too

Wolverine X-MEN-the movie flopped(according to execs and some actors) why? for one it was poorly advertised some actors also voiced thier concern on this topic i also agree it was poorly advertise...now here comes the bootleg.. why did this happen, because the execs KNEW this wasa going to be a flop so THEY RELEASED the dvd(THE POOREST COPY OF THE 3 I MIGHT ADD) to get people in the theaters, i firmly belive they did this for real but it backfired...

if the movie people want to take some advise they should follow Tyler Perry and what he does to his DVD's when they come out....YOU CANT BURN THEM
-says uzipolo-king of decatur


James   September 10th, 2009 10:10 am ET

If possible, and I think it is, ask the people at Amazon! Each and every person who downloaded a copy should be prosecuted......


Ben   September 10th, 2009 1:35 pm ET

"Id have to say most people “pirating” dont have the money to even buy that cd/game/movie."

Movies/CD/Internet/Electronics of any kind are a luxury item. It is not a right it is not essential for living, it is a diversion.

If you can't afford it ... GO WITHOUT. If you are too poor to handle the cost of going to see it in the theater, boo hoo I don't care. I get luxuries because I contribute to society, I work a job, earn a paycheck and spend money to legally own a product. I don't then go and take that product, illegally break the CSS (the copy protection on DVDs) and give it to others on the internet or locally.

If I want to see said movie with a friend I invite them over to watch the movie or lend it to them (perfectly legal).

I know in this age of "gimme" we think there should be a magical kiosk that should provide us with a digital copy of everything in the world for free that i pay for with wishes and good tidings, but get real people this is the real world and luxury costs money and money is dirived from providing something to society (aka doing a job!).

Stealing/Pirating/downloading torrent movies/cds/etc is against what society views as good. The opposite (aka what against means) of good is Evil. Thus Pirating movies is evil. I am not saying you will burn in hell for it, I am just saying you should. =)

To justify or condone an illegal act is just as bad in my opinion.


nate   September 10th, 2009 2:21 pm ET

@ben
Luxury item huh? Well ben it seems like your high paying job must not pay you eanough if you consider it a luxury item. Do you also consider a scion tc a "sports car"? I download movies because I want to. No other reason...sure I could go to the theatre...but why bother when I could just have it already downloaded by the time I get home. No leaving necessary. Try making a valid arguement instead of just calling us all poor. Some of us are just %&$ holes. Lol. Forget the world view. I'm lazy!!!


Tommish   September 10th, 2009 2:32 pm ET

The issue is with the dinosaurs in the middle, clinging onto the outdated business model: the monopoly of distributing a physical product.
Is it greener to download it and use some electricity rather than get a cd jewel case (some hydrocarbons there!) driven hundreds of miles across the country in a truck?
Yes, artists should get paid to produce great things for us, or they will stop doing it. When did we start confusing the artistry of making a film with the divine right of CD distributors?
Businesses can adapt and people don't suffer as civilisation moves on..(these are swordmakers in an age of firearms and most of them will disappear).


Scott   September 10th, 2009 4:04 pm ET

I saw the movie the day it was released. Then just last weekend I took my wife and kid. That's 4 tickets at $9.50 a piece. $38 bucks. And guess what I will end up with the DVD before it is all over with because I really enjoyed the effects and the story. And now that I know that it is out there for download I might have to get that copy too so that I don't have to pay another $9.50 to see it again before the DVD comes out.


3G_Cydia   September 10th, 2009 4:18 pm ET

I can't believe there are private citizens complaining about piracy. You think the MPAA is looking out for you? You think that DRM wouldn't be put on your DVDs if there was 0% piracy? WRONG. They would have done it as a preventative measure. We go through this every time new technology comes out. VHS was supposed to wipe out the movie industry. Napster supposedly crippled the music industry. Did these things happen? NO! These are huge, multibillion dollar corporations that are lying and scheming however they can so they can make exorbitant profit. I understand they are a business, and they exist to make profit, which is fine. Getting profit by suing your customers, well that's just classy behavior. Who is protected when you sue Grandma for $100,000 ? I have downloaded plenty, but I also have purchased thousands of dollars of "intellectual property", which MPAA does not care about. Music and Movies are ENTERTAINMENT! They are not a doctors care, a lawyers opinion, or a accountants tax service. It is not a real product. If your product can be digitized, then you cannot expect people to pay so much for it, because in a way, it isn't real. We don't NEED entertainment. If Hollywood went under because of piracy, would the world just sit and mourn the death of entertainment? NO, someone would think of a good business model, market it, and become a billionaire off of his/her ingenuity. The MPAA just wants to be lazy and keep selling their wares just like they did 20 years ago. Too bad 20 years have passed.


Downside   September 10th, 2009 4:57 pm ET

I guarantee you that if you would only charge $8 for a downloaded full version copy(special features and everything) you would make the same ammount of money as charging $16 for a DVD. The difference? people would do it legally. Because at $16 your gonna sell half the copies. Lets take the movie theatre for example same concept...cut your price and half and youll make the same ammount of money because twice people will actually go.


Vincent Clark   September 10th, 2009 7:03 pm ET

Free: The Future of a Radical Price by Chris Anderson, no need to pirate an audio copy of it since it is distributed freely on iTunes.

There are a lot of damn good points here, I only wish the ones calling the shots at the studios would pay more attention.

Phantom1 brought up a good point about the "must have CD" we couldn't afford. In the day we still had several options. We could copy a friends. Record the best songs from the radio, or shoplift it. "Pirating" in the industry is likened more to shoplifting than the other two. Which it shouldn't be. Shoplifting a CD you were stealing a physical copy of something that as an inherit cost associated with it. The store already purchased it in hopes that it could sell it for a profit. Since there is a finite amount of anything physical the store is then unable to sell the copy you sold to someone else. This is not true of downloading a torrent of a cd.

Some will argue that if I download a CD on torrent then the record company looses money because I will not have bought the album. This is in contrast to an abundance of research stating this concept is false. Someone mentioned that people who "pirate" a copy would never have bought it in the first place. Time and time again this is a proven fact. This act has no direct cost to the manufacture.

I personally buy my media, for a variety of reasons, foremost I CAN AFFORD TO! I know there are people that simply cannot. They also have more free time than i do to track down and gain a copy of something that I would fork over 10 bucks for. I am also aware that the revenue I generate and people like me generate off sets the losses incurred by people that cannot afford it. I know a lot of students that cannot afford it now will most likely be able to in the future.

I think the major problem here is the fact that studios tend to monetize the value of what is being "pirated" in the amount that they would have received for the media. This is a gross miscalculation to say the least. This also gives them a warped sense of their own worth and think they are more valuable than they really are.

These acts of claimed piracy and theft have given new life and an abundant reveune streams to an industry that seems to have a knack for self destruction. My advice would be to stop using "new technology" as a buzzword during board meetings and embrace it, stop making the media so difficult for those who pay for it to access it, and for the love of god, stop being so fracking greedy!


Kinsey   September 11th, 2009 2:15 am ET

Ben, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your license when you "buy" a dvd does NOT give you the right to let someone outside your household to "borrow" that DVD. And, if the MPAA has their way, they want to charge you for "each and every" viewing of that dvd in your own home.


Steven   September 11th, 2009 9:48 am ET

Supposely in a free market system this would be allowed. And, supposely in the US is a Free Market System. This what the G W Bush said when the Energy Companies were raising our rates to the point that we could not afford our energy bill. When you pay for a product, it should be yours to do as you see fit, PERIOD! This is what a Free Market System does. Unfortunately, the way that it works is that if you have the money to buy the Polititian and the Justice System you can make the rules to apply to your way of thinking.


Gabe   September 11th, 2009 1:41 pm ET

"Piracy" is not theft. At worst, it is copyright infringement.

Legally, the two are distinct and very different. One is a criminal offense, the other is not.

It's only "stealing" if you take something away from someone. Copying a digital file doesn't delete the original.

If I copy a movie, I haven't deprived anyone of the ability to watch that movie. And since I can't afford to go to the movie theater, the movie companies have not lost a sale, so they haven't been deprived of revenue from me.

If anything, the studios benefit – if I download this movie and like it, I'll tell my friends, some of whom have far more money than I do and may buy the DVD on my recommendation.

Movie companies (and the moralistic conservative sheep that swallow the "PIRACY IS THEFT" lie) are hurting themselves by attacking downloaders. The studios are losing goodwill, and the sheep are losing face – even though they don't know it.


Franko   September 11th, 2009 2:42 pm ET

Per Torrentz; 1.4 gig version was posted 25 days ago (old news)
Not a well done movie – just skip the boring portions, to the end.
Plays on th theme of how undesirables are treated

Should society pay for cleanup, Sony's lack of diligence in protection ?
Old newspaper, blowing in the wind, into your face, littering.
Whose fault – Sony's or yours ?


Aria   September 11th, 2009 3:01 pm ET

To Ben: What about the profit that the corporations make, which is not modest at all. They would stop at nothing if it means more money. And you are protecting their way of making ridiculous profits. Well you are no better than them. Piracy is wrong but dividing the DVDs in 5 regions just so that is more profitable for them is plain wrong. I think the old saying divide and conquer is appropriate here.


Big T   September 11th, 2009 6:01 pm ET

HEY EVERYONE,

PIRACY IS NOT STEALINGI LOOK AT IT AS SAMPLING, AND YES MOST PEOPLE WHO PIRATE DO BUY IF THEY WANT IT. I PIRATE ALL THE TIME, I SAW DISTRICT 9 IN THEATRES AND I DOWNLOADED THE R5, I ALSO HAVE A DVD COLLECTION OF 800 DVD'S, SO ANYONE THAT SAYS PIRATERS DONT BUY AND THEIR BROKE, IS COMPLETELY WRONG AND DONT KNOW WHAT REALLY GOING ON OUT THERE.


Arjen   September 11th, 2009 6:27 pm ET

"Don’t shed too many tears for Sony Pictures, though. The film, which reportedly cost less than $30 million to make, has already earned over $100 million at North American theaters."

So according to this blog author, it's okay to steal profitable movies?


Justin   September 11th, 2009 11:27 pm ET

@Franko

This movie is extremely good. You should use bit torrent and download it!


Sara   September 12th, 2009 12:42 am ET

Honestly, I don't care.

Big actors get paid millions to play dress up. They aren't saving lives, they don't deserve that sort of cash. It's a waste.

I should be upset that others got to see 9 for free? I don't see the point in paying 9 dollars just to see a movie to begin with. Not in this economy.


ben   September 12th, 2009 2:13 am ET

so like what should i do with all these 1tb hardrives and cheap dvdr's?

can you go to the store and buy a crack pipe? because you can find crack most anywhere..

ben benny beeen been


Vignesh   September 12th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

The developer did a good job ~ thats why this movie is making money, and I guess I'm disapointed that Blokamp won't have as many sales now.


Grover W. Denver CO   September 12th, 2009 8:56 pm ET

Went to see "Star Trek" with my wife. Tickets, popcorn and two drinks set me back $60. I've got 305 DVDs and HD @ home. 'Movie night' in the home theater anytime!


The critic   September 12th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

Cnn is very late, A pirated copy was released the first day the movie came out in theaters, Like the movie opened that morning and that same evening a copy was online to watch and download. All movies are like that now, If the big movies makers are saying it is under control. Then I also have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale too...smile.


Trevor   September 13th, 2009 11:04 am ET

District 9 has been available for download for a while now. I saw it weeks ago. Great move.

http://www.bagoscomp.com


atlantadude   September 13th, 2009 11:24 am ET

I have well over 2000 legal purchased movies but when I get 1 I copy it so my kids can watch it without destroying the original and I have watched movies that were pirated to see if I wanted to buy it I like it I buy it but the only reason people pirate is because the movie industry is a rip off like everyone else here said they are the theives 60$ to take my kids to see ice age which isnt really any better then a tv show without commercials which is free


Russ G   September 13th, 2009 6:34 pm ET

I've got to second Vinnie here:

"Movie uploaded to internet. In other news, groceries found at supermarkets across America."

The fact that someone actually got paid to write this article says a lot about the state of CNN and most American 'journalism' in general.

Any other completely obvious things that always happen you would like to illuminate us on, CNN?


Ben   September 14th, 2009 11:37 am ET

"Ben, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your license when you “buy” a dvd does NOT give you the right to let someone outside your household to “borrow” that DVD. "

The DMCA forbids breaking the copy protection. It does not prevent a non-permanant ownership transfer (aka lending/barrowing). You are freely allowed to lend movies, as long as there is not a copy made by you or by the person you lend it to. This is a protected practice known as fair use =). Seeing as the DMCA is not violated, the Copyright act of 1976 also allows for such fair use.

Please check your laws before you claim incorrectly what it is.


chris filiano   September 14th, 2009 7:34 pm ET

you should wait until "DISTRICT 9 " is released on dvd and blu-ray disc before you can have your own copy of the film.


Joe C   September 14th, 2009 7:40 pm ET

Reading through the comments about copying movies and other materiak from the internet and other sources, The movie industry of today is the biggest joke I have seen in all my life. I was born back in the time when motion pictures,and going to the movies were a great thing to do on a Saturdau night or whenever you wanted to. Most theaters during the 50s in the years that I grew up ran decent family based or more mature films that weren't laced with profanity and words that would make you blush in the presence of your children. Today,movies don't make a bit of sense at all, I watched a ON-DEMAND preview of upcoming movies and the previews did not make sense at all,fast paced 1 or 2 swcond snips of somthing happening,that ran so quick,your brain didn't have time to deciper what the world was going on. And they were charging $4.95 to see this garbage,and they called it entertainment. Anyone who would throw away GOOD HARD EARNED MONEY to see this stuff,let alone copy it off the net or any other means needs to have their head screwed back on right. And Hollywood is making MI$$ONS for pouring out this trash.I will NEVER spend $11.00 to see a movie in a theater,for my dime,hollywood studios including the Disney joke can go bust...


Dave, Amherst, NY   September 14th, 2009 11:08 pm ET

I went to the movies to see this movie. I liked it. I also pirate like a fiend. The concept that "pirates" are stealing this product is laughable ... pirates are some of the biggest consumers of entertainment products ... trust me ... most of us are buying the DVD later. If you want to attract me to a theater more often ... lower the damn price.


Pete   September 14th, 2009 11:45 pm ET

Shame on CNN for condoning and justifying piracy. How dispicable of you. I think the authorities have all the probable cause they need to sieze and search the computers of the blogger, Mr. Wes Finley-Price.

How about it Wes? Does your computer have lots of top movies you got as torrents? Are you in the habit of "fighting the man" by stealing? What other behavior do you justify this way?


maddawg   September 15th, 2009 8:59 am ET

yo ben,

get over yourself .....

yea sony made bank on this movie so far....yea it's being downloaded via the internet....

so, where is the problem????

without the internet, movies, songs, etc. will likely ALL make LESS money....

why would i go to an over priced movie theater?? oh yea...to continue lining the pockets of the Rip-off Intentionally All Americans group? NOT!
(you like my pun on RIAA don't you...!!!)

without such a medium, most artists would not have any exposure....

let data be just that....DATA....copy it, use it, move it, lose it....whatever you gotta do.......just don't continue paying exorbitant prices for half-ass compliations of it.

this world will NOT stop because of it and nobody will be sent to the poor house because of it....

these fat-cat's certainly don't need my $12 bux....BUT I DO!

if the fat-cats quit RAPING the world for every penny they can get, they'll have less people looking to get it cheaper or free....

they've put themselves in this position through their own selfish greed.


AskBrad   September 15th, 2009 9:12 am ET

Nate K wrote about the similarities between Gasoline and movie piracy. Let’s compare:

“They” are saying that movie pirates are ‘stealing’ because by copying a movie and distributing it, the money that ‘may’ have been spent for the product is not going to the proper people.

To ‘steal’ something is to take it. If you walked into a video store and physically removed a copy of a movie from the store and took it home. THAT would be stealing. To make an exact (or in this case, mediocre) image of the product where the owner still has it… Not stealing.

That being said, if people make bio diesel in their own home. Isn’t that the EXACT SAME ARGUMENT the movie folks are screaming about? Those people making bio diesel are not buying diesel at the gas stations. Aren’t they, in effect, ‘stealing’ the oil company’s profits for EXACTLY the same reason?


Franko   September 15th, 2009 11:46 am ET

 
It is the responsibility of Sony to contain their product.
After it is loose; a pest, garbage, or salvage ?
Abandoned, drifting ship on the seas, ecological damage.


HuH?   September 15th, 2009 3:54 pm ET

So the Studios purposely release a DVD-quality version of the movie in third-world countries to get a jump on piracy, and are surprised when those very copies are pirated??? If I ever did feel sorry for the studios, I certainly don't now!


Frannie   September 17th, 2009 8:22 pm ET

Most of those DVD quality pirated copies come straight from the pressing factories, which get a master print at the same time the movie comes out. I can go to just about any parking lot or flea market in my city and someone will have a copy, complete with release cover and extras (so that is a first clue as to origin) for $5.

I firmly DO believe that the studios leak movies they want to get more attention for. Sometimes a director will leak a "rough cut" to generate some excitement. Anyone remember the "Star Wars" and "Wolverine" leaks and how it got the fanboys salivating?

First sale doctrine... Look it up re making copies of media.


JoJo   September 18th, 2009 1:27 pm ET

Movie theaters are dead. The high quality home systems have killed the theater industry. Let it die. CD and DVD sales are only going to be good at xmas time in the future, so that industry might as well be dead too. Now that artists can get "out there" without a producer, the producers are no longer needed, so they better move fast if they don't want to be the next thing that goes.

Make the new releases available the first day worldwide for download for under $10, and make a buttload of cash. Keep the old system and lose money.

Your choice movie industry.


Art   September 19th, 2009 6:11 pm ET

I LOVE R-5's. No matter how hard they try, they always get out, and spread like wildfire.


Darryl   September 21st, 2009 1:54 pm ET

I feel sorry for the people who bothered to download this crummy film. I'm sorry I paid $9 to see it in the theater. There was little story and no explanation for anything – why were they here, why did one particular one have access to the small ship, etc. There was single comment that said something like "These must be the worker bees."

Rarely have I ever been so disappointed in a hyped up science fiction film.


Jimbo   September 24th, 2009 10:48 am ET

Any real movie fan is going to pay top dollar for the BLUE-Ray, or at least regular DVD, copy of their favorite movies. SONY et-al will still make their legitimate profits. Same thing with music... I'm going to pay TOP Dollar for the best quality recording I can get for my home system.
BTW, with CD's and DVD's being so fragile, how many plays do you get before you have to buy another copy? Plus, I have bought Pink Ployd's "Dark Side of the Moon" in many formats over the years, LP (3X's), 8-track, cassette (twice) and CD (repeatedly). I finally started copying my CD's and saving the original as a Master. Everything goes onto a flash drive now!
How many times do I have to pay for any kind of media before I really "own" it?


Jimbo   September 24th, 2009 10:53 am ET

A little p.s.,
As long as the recording companies market ONLY to kids, they wil always miss the targets with the real money. The kids get an allowance from us parents. Who do you think spends the long dollar on music and movie systems? Do the kids ever shell out $5,000.00 or more for thier home entertainment systems?
No! The adults have the deep pockets. Until the industry gets wise and starts marketing real adult music to the crowd with the money, they'll keep missing out on untold profits!


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Norval   October 29th, 2010 10:18 pm ET

I have little fear for Peter Jackson's financial future, let's say. The MPAA and RIAA have been crying like spolied children about file-sharing and peer-to-peer networks in NA and EU for years, when those activities don't do much, if any, real financial harm to their members or the real creators (bands, actors, writers, directors, etc.) of the work. In fact, in the case of music sharing, it seems proven that bittorrent and the like actually drive CD sales higher, rather than costing the recording industry, since mp3's are lossy, fans want better quality versions, and buy CDs to get them. Sampling a few dozen songs a week, a few whole albums also leads these "pirates" to explore new music and they end up buying CDs they would never have done if left to the industries marketing.

While there are lots of real victims in the world, I DO feel some of the movie industries pain here. The real piracy, in the form of counterfeiting, goes on in places like China, former SSRs, and Nigeria (though many of those discs find their way to market in flea market stalls and sidewalk vendors' tables in the US). Unlike music, the quality of these copies are usually as good as the legitimate releases, and the whole point of R5 is to beat the pirates to market, since impatience is as much a cause of this sort of infringement (and the bittirorrent/limewire kind too) as is consumer greed and not wanting to pay for something if you can avoid it. The film industry is hurting from this, and that is where they should focus their counter-infringement efforts, both in court and the lobbies of government buildings abroad. Maybe then they will recoup some real losses and can stop whining about college kids and overworked mom's DLing last year's flicks?

Don't forget either that the film and music industries seem to blame all their troubles on pirates. That just ain't so. They always cite some year between '95–'99 as when their sales really started to tank. True enough, but it isn't piracy, least not in NA and the EU. It is the above, plus the proliferation of media and entertainment options. These days you can play WoW and other great games online, and others on Xbox, PS3, and Wii. There is social networking, video chat, Pandora, and the rest of Web 2.0, along with media/smart/net phones, and 52" HDTVs. All of these offer many other choices of content and venue than going to the movies or renting a movie at Blockbuster (or buying a CD at Tower {sic}, perhaps sampling a few songs at a physical kiosk in-store). These coices and the proliferation of content are really what is hurting traditional movie and pop music bottom lines. Just as with radio and TV decades ago, the movie/music biz is lagging technologically and fails to get it, fully. If they had led rather than lagged on online, real-time content distribution and not spent all their time fighting Napster, Apple, BitTorrent, and others, customers would be lining up 10,000 deep to watch movies, listen to music, and buy replayable copies online. A little iTunes Store, Hulu, Netflix, and Comcast On-Demand is not buying in. Maybe when the next media wave hits, these industries will finally ride the front of the curve, but I somehow doubt it. . .


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