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March 24, 2010

Tech 101: What you need to know about Google vs. China

Posted: 12:39 PM ET

Tech news is complicated enough. But throw in some international relations and a heavy dose of spying allegations, and you've got yourself a news story that plenty of people talk about, but few people really understand.

That's the Google vs. China story in a nutshell. But don't check out just yet. This blog is here to help, with answers to several important (and easy-to-digest) questions about the Google-China situation.

Let me know if there are further confusions you'd like to have cleared up. And, if you decide to whip some of these facts out at your next cocktail party, report back on how it goes.

When did Google go into China, and why?

On January 27, 2006, some eight years after Google first incorporated, the San Francisco, California-based search engine decided to launch Google.cn, a Chinese version of its Web site. Google's global Web site - Google.com - had been available in China before that, but it was censored and at times shut down by the Chinese government. It didn't work very well.

China's communist leadership restricts Internet content and political speech, so Google had to agree to censor some of its Internet search results in order to do business in China.

Still, the company argued that its presence in China would help open up the system over time. And the company said its search engine would work better if Google, rather than China, did the filtering.

"Our decision was based on a judgment that Google.cn will make a meaningful - though imperfect - contribution to the overall expansion of access to information in China," Elliot Schrage, Google's then-VP of communications, testified in 2006.

Are there financial reasons for Google to be in China, too?

Of course. China has more Web users than any other country in the world - nearly 400 million of them, according to the latest reports. So there is definitely money to be made in China. Google made $300 million in China last year alone, according to CNNMoney. And the Chinese Internet market is expected to grow considerably as the Asian country continues to industrialize.

What happened this week? Did Google pull out of China?

Not exactly. Google said it would stop filtering search results in China. It accomplished this with a logistical change: Search results from mainland China now are directed to Google.hk, a Hong Kong site that isn't filtered, instead of Google.cn, which Google stopped filtering on Monday.

Many people assume China will block Google's unfiltered site. But Google's move put that decision in the Chinese government's hands. The search engine posted a chart, which has been dubbed the "evil meter," where people can see which Google services are currently blocked in China.

As of Wednesday morning, the chart said Web searches remained active in China.

What changed to make Google stop going along with Chinese censorship laws?

Google says Chinese hackers tapped into the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists and conducted a "highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure." China denies these claims, but the situation caused Google to promise to stop censoring its results in China unless some kind of new agreement could be arranged between Google and China.

Here's what the company said in a blog post this January:

These attacks and the surveillance they have uncovered - combined with the attempts over the past year to further limit free speech on the web - have led us to conclude that we should review the feasibility of our business operations in China. We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China.

Why would it be a big deal for Google not to be in China?

Some say it could sour U.S.-China relations, although a spokesman for China's foreign ministry says this will not be the case. Others say it could reduce access to information and Web services in China. But one caveat there: Google is not the dominant search engine in China. A site called Baidu is.

There are obvious implications for Google's financial future if it, indeed, does not have a strong foothold in the largest market of Internet searchers in the world. And some analysts says the move could cause China to withdraw further from the Internet and from the globalizing world.

Do regular people in China care about whether Google is there or not?

Academics and business types have complained that their work will become more difficult without Google's search site around. National Public Radio reports that Chinese citizens are referring to Monday, the day Google stopped censoring in China, as "G Day," an apparent reference to the D-Day invasion of Normandy during World War II.

One professor told NPR that Google has "overestimated its importance" in China. "As a researcher and an English-speaking person, I use Google English a lot. But for most Chinese netizens, they don't care about Google Chinese version," Deng Jianguo, an associate professor at Fudan University, told the news organization.

Does Google censor Web content in other countries?

In a word: Yes. Google caters its search site to censorship and privacy laws of countries where it operates. CNNMoney has a good round-up of some of these rules. Among them: In Germany, France and Poland, it's illegal to publish material that denies the Holocaust. So Google filters search results that do so. And in Turkey, videos that the government says mock "Turkishness," are filtered by Google for its Google.com.tr Web site.

That story also provides an important detail about why Google's censorship policies are important:

Google controls nearly two-thirds of the world's search results, making it the Internet gateway for most people. As a result of that clout, Google's censorship policies are closely watched.

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Google does censor Web content in other countries   March 24th, 2010 1:37 pm ET

I think the so called cyber attacks were just the excuses for Google to get out of China when business was not good for it.
Think about it, how many of us getting e-mails with links that could get our id and passwords? I'll say most of us got things like that and we know better not to click the link. There is a word specially mad for it – phishing (I think)! These were the act tacks Google talked about. Since when we can blame the country for that? By the same logic, Google should be pull out of USA since my gmail account gets these kind of e-mails too (yes, I live in the good old US of A)
The fact is, Google only had about 30% of the market and it could not compete with the other one (Baidu about 60% of the market) and it was a business decision Google trying to milk it on the political side to brown nose the special interest groups in US.


dokuto   March 24th, 2010 2:41 pm ET

I don't see the connection between cyberattacks and Google pulling out of China. Even if Google pulled out of China, cyberattacks could continue as they are virtual and physical location doesn't matter. Google could be based on the moon and a hacker from China would still be able to attack it. As well, putting their site in Hong Kong won't stop hackers from attacking Google.


tnmojo13   March 24th, 2010 2:48 pm ET

Actually, didn't the hackers use a backdoor in internet explorer to hack the gmail accounts? Microsoft neglected to release a patch to fix this flaw...and only after the attacks did they release an update correcting it.


Herb   March 24th, 2010 2:51 pm ET

To "Google does censor Web content in other countries"

Phishing is not hacking. Phishing is just sending an email with a link in it, as you pointed out. The phisher has to rely on chance to get a response, but if the phished person is smart enough to avoid replying/clicking a link to install malware, then the phisher loses the game. Google is talking about people's emails getting hacked. A hacked email account can be read and controlled by the hacker, thus giving the hackers (as Google suspects the Chinese government) full access to any politically incriminating messages in the email account and making it easier for political activists to be sent to jail.


Jacob   March 24th, 2010 2:52 pm ET

The comment above is absolutely absurd. Google would in no way pull of of a growing market simply because "business was not good." The fact of the matter is that the internet in China is a growing market that will continue to grow regardless of whether Baidu controls the majority of internet use. Google will always make a profit there because of its revolutionary ideas.

Furthermore, you are underestimating the severity of the cyber attack. It was more than just a piece of spam mail that would get users ID's. It was a strategic attack towards chinese human rights activists and the Google infrastructure. And clearly, any mega computer corporation takes extreme measures to prevent "amateur" hackers from entering its network.


TM   March 24th, 2010 2:53 pm ET

Google's stance? For people who thought Google is making a heroic move, I wonder what they thought of their action in filtering the results in the first place... Google makes moral compromise in order to enter vast Chinese market. When its strategy to become No.1 in China failed, suddenly Google become the moral police. Wake up! Google cares about how much it makes, not Chinese people's freedom


Jacob   March 24th, 2010 2:53 pm ET

my response was for the very first post


Jay   March 24th, 2010 2:56 pm ET

You're seeing it from the wrong perspective on "who did what". The Chinese government has been alleged before for using cyber warfare against other nations in an attempt to find and control political dissent. Google believes it's systems were targeted by the government for the same reason – find out what the human rights activists are saying and doing so they can try to get ahead of the game.

Obviously China would deny such allegations – true or not. However, with their poor track record of past offenses with attempts to control the Internet and the spread of anti-communist rhetoric, it's hard not to put the blame on the government. Google doesn't want its systems and email accounts used for political purposes in that way.


Not Made In China   March 24th, 2010 2:56 pm ET

Forget China their goods are crap anyway...... Time to bring them all home. Besides China never plays by the rules ........ they make their own. Let them alienate themselves ...... it would be best for all involved ... including the other counties of the real world.


xx   March 24th, 2010 3:09 pm ET

Which country does not have web censorship? Even in US, Google has to follow some rules and regulations. Why it becomes issues of noble causes like "Democracy", "Freedom of Speech" when it comes to China? I don't believe it is just arrogant. Considering the US government high profile involvement with this episode and a slew of trade issues between US and China, I am curious what has happened behind the door that we are not aware of.


IrChinaSpy   March 24th, 2010 3:11 pm ET

Gotta love the broken English people are using in these comments. I wonder how many of them are Chinese state-sponsored spies trying to make stupid arguments about businesses based on the moon? Go fight for real freedom of speech and stop leaving stupid comments here because your government requires you to.


JS   March 24th, 2010 3:15 pm ET

This is the beginning of the rest of the world standing up to bullying by the central government in China. If the chinese government was truly so benevolent, wouldn't its citizens to see everything it does on it's behalf, like supporting dictatorships in Africa and protecting nuclear weapons in Iran in order to provide oil and natural resources for its people. Apparently this is google's fault though since they are the ones who refused to obey a law that only allows corrupt officials to hide their corruption rather than make their government better.


Google does censor Web content in other countries   March 24th, 2010 3:23 pm ET

Herb,
If you read the actual 'hacking' about the e-mails, it was exactly phishing. These guys got e-mail with a link that asked them for id and password to log in, only to recorded them for other people to log into the gmail accounts. These guys them compalined to Google about it and Google was just happy to get the excuse to pull out.

That's how ti all started

Google was thinking about pull out long time befoer this.


Stephan   March 24th, 2010 3:23 pm ET

The Chinese government has made an organized attempt at hacking into Google that goes beyond reading dissident email. Read the Washington Times article from March 24th.

In the last few years, the Chinese goverment has also made concerted attacks against U.S. government sites, hacked into or spied on certain corporations with proprietary technology, and the U.S. government has done absolutely nothing.

For those people who question Google's intent on moving their site...$300 million is not chump change. They are trying to stay in China, make their money, but also not give in to the Chinese government–an impossible task.

The sad part about this is the U.S. government is essentially powerless. China owns the most amount of U.S. government debt and hold the most amount of U.S. dollars. Everyday in this country there is a whooshing sound of money leaving the U.S. and going to China. The Chinese already own us due to short-sighted policies by U.S. corporations and the U.S. government going back to the Reagan era. I don't see anyone in our government or in corporate America who has the balls to change that process.


ndginla   March 24th, 2010 4:11 pm ET

Google got itself into this mess and it is going to take the largess of the Chinese government to get out of it.

As mentioned in the article, they censor in other countries (including the United States) in varying degrees. One could argue finer points of each countries censorship policy, but, frankly, it doesn't make any difference... it is what it is.

Thing is, Google is disposable. It is a commodity that can be replaced simply enough by many other competative sites. All China has to do is block the site and the world will go on as if nothing has happened (except, maybe, the Google stock price).


SDY   March 24th, 2010 4:16 pm ET

300m from the Chinese market is still massive money, and Google has and will continue to lose money by not kowtowing to the PRC.

If all they cared about was profits they'd definitely have taken a very different approach to their China operations from the very start.

Yes, there is censorship in the US. There are also a couple of pandas. The ratio of censorship in the US compared to the censorship in China is very similar to the ratio of pandas in the US compared to the pandas in China.

(Not that pandas are involved in censorship in any way.)


FMMC   March 24th, 2010 4:18 pm ET

Duh....it's China. Hacking, Censorship – wow. Reality check folks. There are other countries out there that allow/do many things we don't like. Google went into this environment eyes wide open.
Wake up.


KAMCNJ   March 24th, 2010 4:18 pm ET

I am confused when peple comment that Google is brave: it does not have a lot to lose financially but a of grand standing to make morally.

I am also confused when people comment that Chinese people have a lot to lose. Lost what? Google.cn was self-censored, now google.com.hk is better fired-walled by the chinese government? Nothing really changed here either.

The interesting thing is that Google is still reluctant to completely give up its potential finaincial interest by trying to leave it ad sales function behind in China. This looks a lot like "having ones cake and eating it too."

No double, google.com, which has always been blocked, is much better than baidu.com in English language search. But baidu.com is far superior in Chinese language search; otherwise, why google.cn has been a distant second in China when both search engines were self-censored?

I don't think the Chinese government will completely block off google.com.hk because they think they can pick and choose by letting the non-politically sensitive info in. Let's not exagerate: if you are a scholar looking for an academic paper or a traveler looking to book a flight, you have and are still be able to do that.


Chut Pata   March 24th, 2010 4:23 pm ET

IrChinaSpy:"Gotta love the broken English people". Chinese people either do not know English at all, or they have been to real good school and correct all your grammatical mistakes you made.

Check the English of Sarah Palin and George Bush and you would know what I mean. English speaking Chinese wont make these mistakes.


Modern Warfare 2   March 24th, 2010 4:23 pm ET

F****k China


hobbs   March 24th, 2010 4:28 pm ET

in response to IrChinaSpy – comments are "Chinese state-sponsored spies"

really noticing this too reading the comment boards on any Google vs China topic... impossible to tell for sure, but lots of these comments just give off that vibe.... creepy


A_College_guy   March 24th, 2010 4:34 pm ET

I dont deny the holocaust, but i deny the scale, because im not believing a large city worth of people just get carted off and roasted.

No way..... so does that mean im censored in France, Germany, and Poland??


jt   March 24th, 2010 4:35 pm ET

b@stards


jt   March 24th, 2010 4:37 pm ET

blame it on healthcare! OBama! Bush! The MAGNA CARTA! and everything not relevant to the topic!


jenn, philadelphia   March 24th, 2010 4:45 pm ET

Google has already given China a list of dissidents. They gave them that list last year. They only talk about right to privacy when our government asks them for the names of pedophiles.


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Khrys   March 24th, 2010 4:49 pm ET

Here is an exerpt from the article: "...in Turkey, videos that the government says mock 'Turkishness,' are filtered by Google for its Google.com.tr Web site."

Where is the outrage against the Turkish goverment's sensorship of what the Turkish government thinks is not good for the people (that is, content that mocks "Tukishness")?

Why is there such outrage against the Chinese government's sensorship of what the Chinese government thinks is not good for the Chinese people (that is, content that is anti-Chinese government)?

What is the different between what these two governments' actions?


jt   March 24th, 2010 4:51 pm ET

TREATY OF VERSAILLES is to blame!


Jennifer   March 24th, 2010 4:51 pm ET

Google must have thought if it uncensors anti-Chinese government web content, the government would be threatened and the Chinese people would worship Google like a savior, very very funny! Google not only overestimated itself but also misunderstood people in a big country! Chinese people now at this time of history are much more practical than 20 years ago, just like other peoples in the world. If the economy is doing well, who cares what is said about the government on the Internet?! Google’s pulling out from mainland of China this week very much resembles a famous Chinese phrase: lifting a rock trying to throw it at others but end up dropped it on your own foot, Google.


Googlious   March 24th, 2010 4:59 pm ET

I don't see have 30% market share of 400 million people as not being able to compete. I don't even see it as a failure to compete. I think that is pretty good. But hey maybe your company has a bigger market share in China then Google. I have to admit I just think Google wants a fair trade between the US and China something all countries should be trying to achieve. Since our elected politicians can not seem to get fair trade with China I see Google as trying to do it for themselves and maybe that will even help you and your business. I like that they tried to respect China and work with them. But if China can restrict web access into the country then they certainly can restrict the hackers on their side. I highly doubt that Google would not be able to determine where they are being hacked from, I mean seriously. Companies normally do not go out of their way to make public things that they have no proof of since they may get sued later if they don't. I don't even use Google and I live in the US but if I need it I know I can use it because my government doesn't limit my access even though I can search up the skinny on their bad behavior probably including pictures.......


Khrys   March 24th, 2010 5:15 pm ET

To Googlious,

A little something to think about:

A few years back, I worked for a college in Vermont where my colleagues and I were responsible for maintaining a website that disseminates information about middle eastern culture. Guess who were the most frequent "users" of this website when I checked the stats? NSA, FBI, etc.

There might not be any "sensorship," but the Big Brother is definitely keeping a tab.


John   March 24th, 2010 5:17 pm ET

Who cares?
The money China is making off of the US they should just buy Google and then they can censor all they want.


marc   March 24th, 2010 5:35 pm ET

The weak link logically in Google's action (the article fails to emphasize) is to form a connection between hacked email accounts and censorship. I think its pretty much been shown the accusations their gov't hacked the emails account (at least this time) was false. Perhaps Google actually wants to save face so it diverts to the censorship issue. Problem is they gave their word. So to us they look like they fight for freedom, but in reality they went back on their word. (The chinese have been clear, albeit wrong, on censoring all along.)


Thomas   March 24th, 2010 5:40 pm ET

We should not be doing any buisness with China. Their human rights record is attrocious even with all the censorship they have on their media. Who knows what is realy going on in that country? I hope Google sticks to their guns.


Physicist in Cali   March 24th, 2010 5:41 pm ET

I wonder how many people leaving comments on this article are spammers for the Chinese government. I wonder if they actually believe that I can't tell who some of them are. I feel really sorry for the Chinese people, misinformation is the disease of the 21st century.


robert   March 24th, 2010 5:43 pm ET

i am sure google will become a big loser in this fight, especially in the long run. a company worth a measly 180 Billion dollars picking a fight with a sovereign state worth trillions and trillions.....what is there to fight about? case closed.

some folks in this country simply cannot swallow their overbloated pride to see another country living a better life or having some real money. talking about jealousy and the lowest level of human decency....as if the whole world has to kiss up to the United States forever and ever...looks like it is ending...and in a hurry...


Physicist in Cali   March 24th, 2010 5:49 pm ET

To all the Chinese spammers: How do you feel about the Tiananmen Square Massacre on June 4th, 1989? Or is that just another US conspiracy? I hate to tell you we don't waste money to pay people like yourselves to spam misinformation.


Punksuperman   March 24th, 2010 5:53 pm ET

Chut Pata March 24th, 2010 4:23 pm ET

IrChinaSpy:"Gotta love the broken English people". Chinese people either do not know English at all, or they have been to real good school and correct all your grammatical mistakes you made.

Check the English of Sarah Palin and George Bush and you would know what I mean. English speaking Chinese wont make these mistakes.

/quote

I guess you must not be an English speaking Chinese person then, as I can see a number of errors in your grammar and punctuation. Yaaay. I'm nit picking.

How bout those Bushes, yo. Rolling in green.


Quentin   March 24th, 2010 5:55 pm ET

The difference between the Turkish government's censorship and China's censorship is the difference between limiting negative comments about your community and limiting ideas that you do not value. China limits religion, politics, and information in general that is not in line with the PRC's agenda. China is the greater censor so they get more negative feedback deservedly. That said: United States is the biggest boy on the block and China is the second biggest boy on the block, history is pretty clear about what will eventually happen. Individuals realize this and mentally prepare for what will likely come. The seeds of hatred get sown before the conflict, look at any war.


Jim   March 24th, 2010 5:56 pm ET

In fact, expecting China to let Google do whatever it wants or calling China "evil", this, in and by itself, is dictatorship. What? One becomes a dictator while fighting for freedom? Yes, that's Google's tragedy - it falls victim of its own arrogance. Google needs to cool down and accept this: China is not Googledom. Celebreate a diverse world please.


Physicist in Cali   March 24th, 2010 5:56 pm ET

Too funny IrChinaSpy, they claim they know English better than you. I can't blame them for that but they're still full of it.


Physicist in Cali   March 24th, 2010 5:58 pm ET

I really like how they try to use real "American" names like Robert and Jim you guys are better than the Daily Show.


justin   March 24th, 2010 5:58 pm ET

"highly sophisticated and targeted attack on our corporate infrastructure." aka not phishing.

this isn't about censorship per se but the violations against google by the chinese goverment. The chinese goverment got there hand caught in the cookie jar and will pay the price. Google controls 2/3 of the internet searching so the chinese people are going to be paying the price whether or not they understand that.


Physicist in Cali   March 24th, 2010 6:03 pm ET

Can I pay one of you to farm some gold for me on Wow.... the physics is killing my gaming time. I'll pay you $1 more than the Chinese gov't. It's obvious you have little morals so you should have no problem screwing over Blizzard for me .


Jim   March 24th, 2010 6:04 pm ET

Maybe it's a matter of the cost of business. The costs of filtering and protecting their site was not equal to the profit. If they were not the primary search site then the benefits of staying were just not equal to the benefits of transferring to another location.


Hannah   March 24th, 2010 6:33 pm ET

Google tried to open up china and they blew it so sorry if Google tried to help you but you stupid people blew it.


tekbit   March 24th, 2010 6:55 pm ET

There is so much Bull in the China Shop now (especially with the Ownership Shares) that perhaps it is time to realize Google might actually be a word in Chinese that offends, and that Their Rights, no matter that they are not Yours, have a certain leverage worth exploring before condeming a Nation.Tell me me nobody Hacks and Phishis in the US and I will reverse my opinion...But I doubt anyone can... IMHO


Peter   March 24th, 2010 6:56 pm ET

I think and believe that this could possibly create a domino reaction where the Chinese people uprise and revolt against the chinese communist government. As they realize that with all the worlds information at there hands for the first time in there lifetimes people. This could be huge, if this gets larger the Chinese people could order for there rights as what America did to the British.


diana brest   March 24th, 2010 7:00 pm ET

i think it is about time google pulled out of China, i lost my job for the
company sending jobs to India and having employees train them, but
we still lose our jobs.

google did the right thing, maybe more companies will follow, that
is why the economy is the way it is and Toyota recalls.

I give my salute to google


Physicist in Cali   March 24th, 2010 7:00 pm ET

To tekbit: When you can show me hard evidence the US gov't in the modern age has conspired to hide something even 1/10th the scale of Tiananmen Square from its people than we can talk. Till then our hackers are just kids having fun and your gov't is a good plot line for a Orwell novel.... or don't you get his books there?


Sharon   March 24th, 2010 7:02 pm ET

YES ! ENOUGH with China trying to rule the world by keeping the rest of the world out of its country. It is bad enough how people in China have to live. Big deal Google will loose a few billion. I don't think we will need to have a bake sale for them.


Jason   March 24th, 2010 7:02 pm ET

"Check the English of Sarah Palin and George Bush and you would know what I mean. English speaking Chinese wont make these mistakes."

No, but they will make other mistakes that are more distinctly Chinese, which is why it is patently obvious.

Bush or Palin or any number of other Americans may speak in ways that are grammatically incorrect, but their speech is not broken. They do not insert or neglect words that every native speaker would use. It's extremely obviously reading some of the posts here that they originate from non native speakers who are most likely Asian.


corbin   March 24th, 2010 7:07 pm ET

Oh, whoops, I forgot for a second there is no such thing as ethics now-a-days.

My bad


John   March 24th, 2010 7:18 pm ET

One thing we all have to remind us by this event is of that China is NOT a free country like USA, it is under "Communist", one party dictator government. Although it can freely make and sell millions of pirated "Shan Zai" iPAD at one third of price even before iPAD's official launch date, it IS a communist nation, like Cuba and North Korea. Let's not forget that. Communism and Goole just don't match.


Peter   March 24th, 2010 7:18 pm ET

I think everyone has it wrong. For whatever reasons Google pulled out of China it is systematic of the frustrations that China players have increasingly experience over the last few years doing business in China. China has come to terms and maturity. It is no longer the third world or third country that it claims at the beginning of Hu Jintao's term while attempting to maximize the best conditions before the Asian Development Bank. China wants to dictate its business terms, on conditions favorable to her and as Lee Iaoccoca once said, lead or get out of the way. China doesn't care about Google, it just cares about maintaining its one party power and anything that threatens that will be obliterated. As a player who principally helps foreign parties do business in China, I have found China is not taking second chair to anyone. So I feel sorry for the Chinese Mainlanders, as they will continue to be plastered with Chinese propaganda and their skewed views. Unfortunately, the young minds will be indellibly emblazened with what is right or wrong with no connection to an international bench mark of what is considered the truth. I am afraid China will soon form the third axis of evil and to this end, I am pessimistic that a harmonious relationship with China is possible in the immediate term. For foreigners doing business in China, don't put your heart into it, just take the money and run. Falling in love with China will only result in disappointments. I know, I have been here for 20 years.


Andrew   March 24th, 2010 7:18 pm ET

If China launched a cyber attack than who cares what they think.War was declared and thats that.Fight or flight.....


Googlious   March 24th, 2010 7:18 pm ET

To Khrys, did you ever think they used your site to learn about or get a different perspective from the information you posted about middle eastern cultures? Why assume they are watching you and not just trying to keep up with what's going on and how people think or to learn something they didn't know or to learn how to look past sterotypes of the middle eastern cutures. Your website might actually have been a source to them for insight instead of assuming they were "watching you"......


Warlock Sundance   March 24th, 2010 8:09 pm ET

I love reading stupid people trying to write intelligent sounding comments. It ain't working folks...you still look stupid.


tom   March 24th, 2010 8:32 pm ET

Google is making an informed judgement. The current regime in china will not retain control of communications for ever.


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Brian   March 24th, 2010 8:56 pm ET

Herb, Phishing is one step of hacking. The intent is to gain personal information, many times including log in details. With this they can then gain access to systems at will. Hackers use this as one tool along with brute force attacks and many other options.

The point about Google censoring searches in other countries is still valid and they have yet to address it, not to mention the 30% market share number so often thrown out is made up in large part by acedemics, not by end consumers. Google is in the business of making money period. If they saw it as advantageous to continue to do business in China, they would censor whatever they needed to. Bottom line is the Bottom dollar.


Jim   March 24th, 2010 8:58 pm ET

Striaghtening out a few ideological concepts:

1) Is China a communist country? No, not in Marx's definition anymore. China is not enemy of capitalism. It practices market economy, but with more government intervention than the West. Nobody likes communism today; and the Chinese know how to stay away from it without stalling economy.

2) Is CCP an absolute dictator? No. It has plurality inside. Don't forget it manages HK and Macao and invests in the U.S. Likewise, are Democrats and Republicans two different political parties? No, they are the same, with minor differences. Don't be fooled by name.

3) Is Google fighting communism? Absolutely not, it is fighting for money. However, Google has a Cold War mentality, for some uncomprehensible reason, that keeps giving the co wrong strategies.

4) Will Chinese people rise up to throw out gov and start an American system? Not likely, the Chinese middle class doesn't allow that to happen. Folks want peace and stronger economy, so that they can speak in the world.

5) Will China become a world police? No, it will save that money for chlidren's education, starting a safety net for its people, recovering from "global financial crisis" (aka subprime morgage crisis), curing environmental damages... and so on. China has its hands full.


EZ   March 24th, 2010 8:59 pm ET

Just a good excuse for the business failure in a market! What a CEO and aVP for a big business!


mangbai   March 24th, 2010 9:13 pm ET

china leaders are stupid.
open china's internet is good for chinese.


Joe   March 24th, 2010 9:25 pm ET

Good job, Google!

It doesn't really matter what Google's real intentions were; at least human rights discussions are arising from them. Just remember, we get to read all about this and publicly state our opinions, no matter what they are. It's too bad we can't get the perspective straight from the people living in China...


fiat money   March 24th, 2010 9:39 pm ET

suc# m# co#k


Mike S.   March 24th, 2010 9:51 pm ET

Why do I believe that if there were some big bucks on the horizon for Google in China, we wouldn't be reading about any of this.


sam   March 24th, 2010 10:01 pm ET

who can told me what "G day" stands for?
I am in China. But no one is talking the word "G day".


alex   March 24th, 2010 10:10 pm ET

Did the westren people really visit china, I admit some people are living in bad condition, but please remember there are 1.4 billion people living in this land, if more than half of them are living a good condition , that will be the biggest contribution from chinese government,

at least, we have not got a gunman to kill students in the uni.


timely   March 24th, 2010 10:17 pm ET

China is going to be the strongest nation in the world. U.S. is nothing but a stupid pig.


Khrys   March 24th, 2010 10:44 pm ET

To Googlious,

So you do know stereotyping. Then the following quote from jason:

"Bush or Palin or any number of other Americans may speak in ways that are grammatically incorrect, but their speech is not broken. They do not insert or neglect words that every native speaker would use. It's extremely obviously reading some of the posts here that they originate from non native speakers who are most likely Asian."

Is it also generalizing, stereotyping and racial profiling?

I was born in China, spent the first 15 years of my life there. While I did not march with my fellow students in Tiananmen Square (I was 14 then, living in Shanghai), I did walk out of the classroom that day and marched alongside many others in Shanghai in support of the students in Beijing. A year later, I moved to the United States (legally). I became a United States citizen in 2000. I went to Brooklyn Tech high school and then Columbia University in New York city, graduating both with honors. I have a solid career. I pay taxes. I married a British girl (well, half British, a quarter German, the rest spread mong a few other European nationalities), adopted her half Irish daughteras my own and born a son who is primarily half Chinese, quarter British, and an eighth German. Oh, we also have an American short hair cat named Dixie as part of our family. I thought my life can't be any more American (in a melting-pot sorta way). So why am I still being stereotyped against?

Also, please do enlighten me how to obviously distinguish posts that are from "non native speakers who are most likely Asian."


yz   March 24th, 2010 10:57 pm ET

Does anyone here think this article "Tech 101: What you need to know about Google vs. China" was also from chinese spies paid by chinese government?

Ignorant, but self-righteous guys here should take a hard look at themselves in the mirror.


RY   March 24th, 2010 11:07 pm ET

like seriously.. i am from Hong Kong and i know the mainland chinese people doest care about Gooogle.cn cuz they dont even use it ... they have tons of search engines of their own , for example, baidu.com and sogou.com... its not like cancelling google.cn gonna make a difference anyway .... i dont think this is something that we should be wasting our time to think and discuss :P i am definitely not communist cuz i am Hong Kongese and i don't support the actions of the Chinese government


John2005   March 24th, 2010 11:12 pm ET

To John: One thing we all have to remind us by this event is of that US is NOT a free country like China, it is under "Imperialist", two party dictator government. And this country invested billions of dollars to build weapons to kill people around world, but don't even bother to invest one dollar to produce stuff that people used for their everyday life. This country end up can not even freely make some simple products for people's everyday life and have to import them from around the world. it IS a Imperialism nation, just like former CCCP. Let's not forget that. Imperialism and freedom just don't match.


xxception   March 25th, 2010 12:10 am ET

See comment directly above for what Gooligus is talking about.


bdiddy81   March 25th, 2010 12:13 am ET

china is not the u.s. and never will be ....sry china


real chinese   March 25th, 2010 12:18 am ET

I can't believe my eyes. As a chinese who lives in U.S., I know very well how big and strong the army of Chinese web commenters ( nicknamed Wu MAO in Chinese) is. For those you don't know, Wu Mao means 0.50 yuan. They are very active, even dominant sometimes, in every popular Chinese website which posts comments. They have evaded all the popular Chinese websites oversea too. Obviously, these are the elite few who are allowed to access these oversea websites from China. When they cannot support their ideas, they curse and spitting dirty words.

But I never knew they have invaded CNN too. Reading some comments above, I'm so amused. Horrah to the great Chinese government. You are taking over the global internet. I wonder how much the Chinese spammers who have posted here get paid. I bet their pay is much higher than Wu Mao. Your "perfect" English should worth good money. No wonder nobody wants to hire me for this job. My English is too broken. Haha

I love what Google has done. It is time for big western corporations to stand up and say NO to the Chinese government and say NO to the money made against their own conscience. I hope more companies will follow Google's steps. Your presence in China is actually hurting China's future.

For those Chinese commenters who are going to call me " traitors ", keep this in mind: I love my country but I hate your government. I believe, the current communist government will be the most notorious one in the history of China.


Xu   March 25th, 2010 12:21 am ET

To Joe, don't be so merciful as if Americans are the Saviour. Chinese have right to speak out and freely express our own stance. Even though, we're not as developed as Us, but don't damp down the fires in other's stove while ignore big fire in your backyard.


MIc   March 25th, 2010 12:22 am ET

Matt loves Malcolm, that's all I've got to say.


real chinese   March 25th, 2010 12:31 am ET

For those who said GOOGLE left China only because it's not making big bucks in China, is $300 million profit and growing really ignorable? How much does your company make? Is 30% maket share really too small? What's the market share does your company own?

RY, how can no Chinese mainlanders care about google.cn? You think the 30% market share is built on lies, like the Chinese economy?


scolder   March 25th, 2010 12:56 am ET

actually in china market, most of chinese use BAIDU this searching engine,cause baidu is good at searching chinese results. i can't deny google is great company and it has great innovation.but it is really not good at searching chinese as BAIDU. and about some sensitive results and topics, most of chinese people don't care about that. they feel they r far away from their daily life. the most part they care about is thier lifehood,money, life quality. Google's leave won't arouse their sensation about free speech in internet. I think google's decision is totally wrong.


jimmer   March 25th, 2010 1:08 am ET

For Robert and all the other evil ones: if this country (America) ever fails, it's the end of freedom and everything that's good in this world. Everybody better realize that. The day America falls is the day that evil triumphs, and that includes China, which is evil.


Suci   March 25th, 2010 1:11 am ET

Google is nonthing in china, it never has been No1 in china.


Will Work for Food   March 25th, 2010 1:13 am ET

What you don't know about Google vs China they are looking for an excuse to get out since they can't compete with the Chinese. Loser.


jimmer   March 25th, 2010 1:14 am ET

All of you jerks who are posting here. Will you be able to do that if China rules the world? How about if you live in an Islamic world? NO – and if America falls, who will save you all from that? France? England? Germany? Brazil? Italy? Canada? You all better hope America stays strong, or it's all over.


John2005   March 25th, 2010 1:53 am ET

To Jimmer: Why America has to either rule the world or fall? And why anyone else has to either rule or fall? See, that's the problem of most Americans. If you are not democracy, you must be evil. Perhaps this is because Americans were either lived under slavery or lived under democracy? They've never tasted something in the middle. I thought those European immigrants were lower class street gangs. They should give their children something to remember.


Ron Ruys   March 25th, 2010 1:57 am ET

I always kinda figured Google iwas in league with the CIA anyway. Seems that when you have google earth mapping out every road conveniently situated where they have milatary interests, Like on the Communist fronts, and then you consider how much they make in return for someone driving 1000's miles through desert in out back Australia and where is the return on investment, it has to be an ulterior motif for this kind of expendidture. So I can't blame Chine for saying how come you are so interested in us, while not all sttreets in the US are on google street view yet. Yet all even the most remote streets are in Australia, Holland, Canada, And France


junAyear   March 25th, 2010 2:01 am ET

to Physcist Cali: I think I have the right to comment on Tian an man Square tragedy 1989; I was very young and was among the protesters on streets then without even knowing I risked everything I had, including the country as a whole, without knowing I was being used by the power struggles home and abroad, without knowing how naïve I was…20 years later, it is still a tragedy, but it appears to be a way out of no way...
To real Chinese: I wish I were paid somehow...but I think you didn't stay in US long enough to evolve your thoughts...Reality for Chinese people's progress: not to go starving, to survive, to live, to live with dignity, to think, to think critically, finally to VOTE


Wu Mao in the US   March 25th, 2010 2:05 am ET

To "real chinese" and others,

Are you a real chinese? After reading comments from the folks like "Googlius", "Physicist in Cali", as well as your own's, you guys look to me more like "wu mao" in the US. In this kind of economy, it is not a bad deal to earn that "half a dollar" to post craps on this web! As long as censorship, just read the sentences above the button "SUBMIT COMMENT"! And I guess you can figure out I am a chinese or not from my English! LOL


junAyear   March 25th, 2010 2:06 am ET

to real chinese, I wish I were paid for commenting...you'd stay in US longer to evolve your thoughts: Reality for Chinese people's progress: not to go starving, to survive, to live, to live with dignity, to think, to think critically, finally to VOTE...
to physcist cali: I think I have the right to comment on Tian an man Square tragedy 1989; I was very young and was among the protesters on streets then without even knowing I risked everything I had, including the country as a whole, without knowing I was being used by the power struggles home and abroad, without knowing how naïve I was…20 years later, it is still a tragedy, but it appears to be a way out of no way...


Xu   March 25th, 2010 2:58 am ET

it seems that only Amerian can save the whole world as you showed to people in 2012? Do you think Google wouldn't take the law of other countries into his hand ? Does anybody notice that GOOGLE breached his promise and let 600 staff out of work ? Actually, Google just intends to raise the debate of human rights as his excuse to exit. I don't think that there is any country having no sencorship with search engine.
Absolutely, in the US, Google is obeying the Patriot Act, which means that it is spying on the email of an unknown number of people without their knowledge and without a court order as I understand it.


XIAONAN GU   March 25th, 2010 3:00 am ET

GOOGLE IS A LOSER IN THIS CASE


Derrick   March 25th, 2010 3:06 am ET

Google has censorship in many other countries anyway – Poland, Germany, and Thailand.

It's more like that Google weighed the benefits of scoring a PR coup with the wider world against maintaining a significant market presence in China.

This is on of its vulnerability to Chinese hackers and the risk of corporate espionage – which I say isn't a big factor.

This decision really makes no business sense as the internet market in China is going to grow in the next few years, meaning that Google is set to lose quite a lot.

Of course China isn't going to be affected unless god forbid, all other foreign companies follow suit and leave China, ruining the Chinese economy and pulling us all back into recession. Is this what everyone wants?


Xu   March 25th, 2010 3:22 am ET

With respect to HUMAN RIGHTS? At least. we chinese never enslave others, never discriminate others, never troop in other countries, never hold that "To rule, or to be ruled", never have an oar in everyman's boat "Oh, your family has problem, let me save U"...


Ang   March 25th, 2010 3:37 am ET

I love all these Chinese who say "At least. we chinese never enslave others" or

They must be too young to remember the cultural revolution, the Great Leap forward or Tianammen Square. The Wholesale Slaughter of their own people. The Chinese have enslaved the poor and butchered their won for 5000 years. Google pulling out will not change that and nor do I think it will every change.

China has produced many great things for this world, human dignity and freedom have never been on that list. Any intense study of China will show there will never be equality, there will always be corruption and those citizens not endanger will always hide their faces and pretend otherwise than risk being the one under the headsman's axe.


lemon   March 25th, 2010 4:01 am ET

Google changed its busineess from make money on innovation and technilogy to politics


chinnese fighter   March 25th, 2010 6:15 am ET

well, usa will bankrupt soon, china will take all over the world, im chinnese and i believe chinnese army is about 30 millions in addition to millions and millions of voluntiers and personnel armies.

china = future

usa = death

china forever
long live chinaaaaa
love live china imperor
-chin


chinnese fighter   March 25th, 2010 6:19 am ET

TO XU,,,,,, yes usa captures people and enslave them ,,,,, thats so sad about usa, usa tortures others, china never did,
Xu,,,, you are so damn right, usa people too much of hedonistic gangasters, china gives peace, usa spreads and feed conflicts and wars, im so happy of our chinnese wise policies toward other countries, love you china and will join army someday to try to stop the american pleasure seeking people


chinnese fighter   March 25th, 2010 6:25 am ET

united states of america is playing a really bad part to divide countries, look what they did in north korea, look why they support taiwan, look why they call chinnese people deaky and beady eyes,
or yellow boys, thats so tragic, if you get to come to hong kong, you will be beaten to pulp, dont tease china, china = everything
my dad is chinnese my mum is chinnese, im 100 percent chinnese,
i love you china, i love china general, i love china armies, i hate everyone wants to hurt china, china forever
we have to take over


What you need to know about Google vs. China « Siddharth Nair's Blog   March 25th, 2010 7:57 am ET

[...] read here [...]


Conspiracy   March 25th, 2010 8:10 am ET

Until Chinese hackers crossed the line, and showed that Emperor Obama
has no climate clothes - All were happily hacking and profiling.

Climategated, the Naked Anglo-American Empire struck back.


question   March 25th, 2010 9:15 am ET

How does the great firewall of China come into play? Even though google has stopped censoring in mainland china, don't the results go through that firewall and are therefore blocked? I get the whole redircting to hong kong (as they're not filtered) but how does the "great firewall" work in general?


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[...] the most obvious, and recent, battlefront for Google has been the issue with China. The consequences of this war between an extremely powerful world government (not to mention [...]


Jesus Christ   March 25th, 2010 11:08 am ET

Bow to me...


didnt catch the ride   March 25th, 2010 1:48 pm ET

Just look at Baidu.com's stock price now. It doubled since google made the announcement of it is leaving China. I like google.com, but I question why they have to leave Chinese market? I think google's management should give all the investors a really, really good explanation.


Physicist in Cali   March 25th, 2010 1:53 pm ET

To Xu: Maybe we shouldn't be in Afghanistan, but at least we are fighting people that enslave women and use theocracy to enslave those not in power...what the he** is your excuse for Tibet.

Maybe Chinese people are willing to accept that they can't handle the truth for the "greater good", but in America I and most Americans would never demean themselves to the philosophy of ignorance is bliss and I will fight censorship and 1984 Orwellian methodologies. And I ask them what is more real the individual or the state, who is looking out for them when their gov't disagrees with their needs, and lastly what kind of education are you getting when ever your own history is censored?


Physicist in Cali   March 25th, 2010 1:54 pm ET

To didn't catch a ride: screw the investors, "Do no evil." Google's company motto!


Andrew Morgan   March 25th, 2010 2:18 pm ET

Wow where to begin? First off I'm a cacasian american born and raised here so before anyone starts curtisizing my spelling and grammer...plenty of americans butcher our own langauge you cannot blame that on asians! 2. to the people out there saying oh no one in china would even care if they couldn't use google. Google is used +30% of the time in china that's arquably one third. that means get three people in a room and one of them uses google. Now take the entire population of china and figure out how many people there use google on a regular basis. 3. to the idiots acting like 300 million a year is pocket change for google your crazy. that's in a single year, do you have any idea how many people could be employed off that money? With the worlds economy in the state it's in that sort of thing is important...4. How many times in the past five years has chinesse spies been caught in american corperations stealing information? When they steal that information it not only weakens the US government it also weakens it's econmy. 5. I 100% beleave that the average Chinesse person living in China hasn't got a clue about what's going on in the rest of the world, but I also beleave that it's because most of them just don't want to. Like the old saying goes "ignorance is bliss" 6. I am one of those people that beleave the internet should not be filtered at all in any country. the internet is source of communication, knowlege, and free speach some of the very princapals that democracy is built on how can any of us be free if we're being filtered.

So in closing I think Google should stay in China Stick to it's guns and fight it out. I think US government should get involved on the basis that chinia has been commiting or at least is being accused of commiting esponage. Lastly I think the whole WORLD should no longer censoured.

Oh and one last thing I thought would be funny to add. In the movie Jason X they talk about how brutle the microsoft wars were. They were picking up other peoples limbs and beating the death out of each other with them....What if this was the start of the Google Wars...G-Day is coming, you will no longer be able to google image search loli pron anymore....

Prepare for WWG


CNN's evil   March 25th, 2010 2:38 pm ET

"Don't be evil" should be 21th century business standard, not only Google's.
CCP is an evil, they have left so many bad records during the pass 60 years. Go to Taiwan and ask Taiwanese who has the first hand information of the evil party.


chi zhang   March 25th, 2010 2:38 pm ET

Many people from China support Google. However, their words on the BBSs were deleted by the Chinese cyber-police.


Ilan Ben Menachem   March 25th, 2010 2:45 pm ET

Until Chinese hackers crossed the line, and showed that Emperor Obama
has no climate clothes – All were happily hacking and profiling.


Wilson   March 25th, 2010 2:56 pm ET

Quoting Jim:

"2) Is CCP an absolute dictator? No. It has plurality inside. Don't forget it manages HK and Macao and invests in the U.S. Likewise, are Democrats and Republicans two different political parties? No, they are the same, with minor differences. Don't be fooled by name."

And what can you say about Chinese government's invasion of Tibet which is against the will of the Tibetans including the forced annexation of that land? A land grabbing on a larger-scale..I dont think its dictatorship actually it's worse than that.

China may have modernized Tibet but at what costs? To usurp the cultural heritage of the Tibetans to be faded away by the swarming influx of Chinese emmigrants. Tibetans can live without your modernization, they will not die without it.


Wilson   March 25th, 2010 3:05 pm ET

Quoting timely:

"China is going to be the strongest nation in the world. U.S. is nothing but a stupid pig."

Oh I dont think so. China has one of the lowest per capita income in the world. Only the government and the corporations gets fatter and fatter while the common people who labor do not.

And besides, China's government is one of the most plagued with corruption and this is China's greatest weakness which will make it collapse on it's own weight. So stop dreaming of something grand. You're not living in a wonderland. Perhaps your Chinese government told you that you did. You better wake up!


Khrys   March 25th, 2010 3:09 pm ET

Quoting Wilson:

"Oh I dont think so. China has one of the lowest per capita income in the world. Only the government and the corporations gets fatter and fatter while the common people who labor do not."

This sounds more like capitalism (as in the United States) than communism to me.


CCP is evil   March 25th, 2010 3:10 pm ET

there will be a war between China and USA eventually, because of their extreme different poltical views. Now the cheap labor of Chinese become the slave of whoever buy the product from China.

"Don't be evil" is a good BUSINESS practice, but what should be the POLITICAL or MILLITARY practice to deal with an evil political system?
Should we let the US stock holder make money from CHINESE slaves at 21 century?


Ilan Ben Menachem   March 25th, 2010 3:30 pm ET

Google is nonthing in china, it never has been No1 in china.


Khrys   March 25th, 2010 3:55 pm ET

Just got moderated by CNN – I just had a few questions/responses for Physicist in Cali – no curse words, no pro or con for either Google or China. Just a few observation regarding United States' actions in Afghanistan and about American history regarding the civil war. But CNN seem to think it has to sensor it.


Khrys   March 25th, 2010 3:59 pm ET

The second try was moderated again by CNN. That means CNN is sensoring seom key words or phrases of certain topics/ideas since I said in an earlier post what is being moderated does not contain any offensive language.


Tony   March 25th, 2010 5:28 pm ET

Well this was an interesting read. To Wilson: Gee I wonder why China has the lowest per capital income in the world? Maybe they have one of the top 5 highest populations in the world. Also why should the Tibetans have their own country? I haven't heard or seem them do anything to earn it in. This is like giving a bum that walks into the bank a hundred bucks just because the bum asked for it. That's not how it works. If the bum wanted a hundred bucks then the bum would go out and work for it. To Andrew Morgan : On point 2 I would say that so called 30 percent can't really be validated. As a fellow American/Westerner you should know better then to believe some statistical number. And on point 6 sometimes what's best for society is to not show the truth until they are ready. Now for everyone else: You might not like China because of the way it treats it's citizens, but you cannot deny the country it's sovereign right to run the country. And there won't be a war between China and the US, because it's seems that the US needs China for economical support, while China does not seem to care for actions that do not affect China directly such as Operation Enduring Freedom. However for issues like these: Taiwanese independence, Tibet independence, and the N. Korea conflict China probably cares about. And one of the reasons why it has build up such a large military is so that if the country needs to it can back up it's international voice.


CCP is evil   March 25th, 2010 5:34 pm ET

I watch the senator hearing about Google yesterday. what's a joke!
The closing statement from the senator really make me sick.

Let's have a war agaist China, as Republic did for Iraq.


Ron   March 25th, 2010 6:28 pm ET

Hello All, Just wanted to comment and share my 2 cents. I am asian american, born in Singapore but came here to the states when I was 4. I consider myself American all the way. Some points I would hopefully like to bring up for you to ponder:

1.) There isn't a single country to date that doesn't have a dark horse or "skeletons in the closet" when it comes to the treatment, or rather the mis-treatment of their citizens. US obviously has the slave era and the civil war. China has their Tianemen Square and the Tibetan debacle. I'm not going to go into Europe and Russia etc, because this would take forever. The point I would like to bring up is simply for everyone who claims America is the better country or the more "modern" and part of the international "reality" that is the world, it has to consider the ability of China to maintain it's own discipline and national security . We always talk about Big Brother here in the states, and granted each country has their own ways. But ultimately, China censoring it's people is a form of national security. There are maybe 400 million people max here in the US (illegal and legal) and there are times even today (Health Care Reform) that I feel like a revolution is coming. Democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals. It is not easy being a democratic power in the world community, everyone wants their cake and to eat it too. My point is simply, now imagine all the issues we have with america and multiply that population by 3. That is China. To ease the human rights censorship and to bring China into an era of FREEDOM, it has to be done slowly. You cannot just give repressed people freedom and expect them to do right. Think of the issues that black slaves had when they first became freed. China knows this and will take all measure to ensure it's power, not only for personal gain but to keep the country whole. For the human rights advocists who say twell to bad, that's the price of freedom, the price is millions of chinese deaths. Unfortunately, in a modern world and a highly intellectually based country, there is a better way.


Ron   March 25th, 2010 6:35 pm ET

2.) China and US will -never- see eye to eye on their basic fundamental principles. But you also have to understand, communist Russia, Communist Cuba, Communist N. Korea is -NOT- the same as Communist China. For those that are highly educated, please remember that in "THEORY", the concept of Communism is really a form or structure of government. Soviet Russia put a foul taste in the minds of Americans on what "Communism" is, but I have to point out, that is not what China is. If anything China is a totalitarian capitalist system. You can disagree with the the way China runs it's government, but given our position of Freedom and Democracy, you have to also respect that it is a sovereign nation and can freely choose to protect it's borders and citizens as it sees fit. I would not criticize the US Government on protecting our borders due to "National Security", why should we do the same to China?


Ron   March 25th, 2010 6:48 pm ET

4.) Lastly, Google and China should really be a simple matter. Google violated a business contract in dealing with China. The whole "human rights" point of view or the trade barrier issue is really just moot compared to everything else. It's one big excuse as far as I see it. I'm not saying I disagree with Google's stance, if you are pro-freedom and anti-evil go ahead and do what you feel is right. But don't make a international political spectacle just because of it. Since I'm in the business industry, as a businessman I have to conclude:

Google violated a business contract.

Just imagine the reverse, a China based company with 30% market share comes into the US and threatens to pull out if we don't start censoring our searches and leave the life of democracy and freedom. It sounds absolutely rediculous. And that's exactly how China feels about Google.


mr G   March 25th, 2010 6:59 pm ET

google has no right to impose american way of live to the Chines People. It's better for them to shut down all their business in China once and for all.


Physicist in Cali   March 25th, 2010 7:15 pm ET

The national security argument is bonk as far as I'm concern. You can bankrupt your country both monetarily and in this case socially under thre creed of national security, George Jr. has done that in the Us. And anyone who justifies enslavement either physical or mental by saying the enslaved are not ready for freedom is just trying to hold onto power. If you didn't want to deal with the transition you should of never locked down on your people in the first place.

I realize that broad spectrum censorship under the guise of national/social security is part of Chinese culture and it is going to take time for it to change, but don't expect me to accept or respect it during that time.


chigong   March 25th, 2010 7:42 pm ET

It is interesting to see that whenever there is a chance to berate the Chinese government, a lot of Americans seem never hesitate to jump in the berate them, be the matter they have been told true or false, prooved or not. In the meanwhile, in their own backyard, the same bad thing is quietly. There are reports saying the American government paid a hack $75K/y for years to hack (hack who, not clear). But barely a few, less than 10 comments there under the CNN new item, seem to care about it. But just think about it. What will happen if that guy's employer was the Chinese government! And there are also those CEOs of the big bankrupt bound banks taking huge bonuses and going for luxerious vacations immediately after getting the subsidy from the US government, celebrating their success in getting your tax money to save the bank and their jobs, I guess? But in no time, this new got burried and forgotten completely.
Isn't that your own privacy and human rights got violated when your government hacks. Maybe you think that was the only hacker hired by their government and you are not hacked. Isn't those huge bonuses your own hard earned tax money and going to be your own debts? And where are the money in the huge American debt going, Iraqi? But then think about it, who is receiving those money? Don't you realized while you are so busy pointing fingers at the "dark" land (not so dark if you got closer, really), your tax money is endlessly flowing into some big bosses pockets? Don't you even realized while you stand so proudly and firmly on the moral high ground, that same high ground is just colapsing?
Americans are really funny people. It makes me feel like they really care about Chinese more than themselves. Do they?


CCP is evil   March 25th, 2010 8:11 pm ET

@chigonq:
" It makes me feel like they really care about Chinese more than themselves. Do they?"
Don't forget there are thousands Chinese immigrated to here. We have the chance to bring up our American-born kids here and compare the two different systems.
If native Chinese are so week to liberate itself, we, oversea Chinese- American will.


CCP is evil   March 25th, 2010 8:30 pm ET

@chigong:
"there are also those CEOs of the big bankrupt bound banks taking huge bonuses and going for luxerious vacations immediately after getting the subsidy from the US government, celebrating their success in getting your tax money to save the bank and their jobs, I guess?"

The letter from those 20 google partners in china has demonstrated to me that they are the same group of the corrupted ccp. Those "two hand" trick is out of date, my friend.... We, small percentage of American, know how evil you are. You are 100 times more evil than those bankers. You kill the house holders and stole their lands.
That's why i said repectedly, CCP is evil. evil.evil....


chigong   March 25th, 2010 8:51 pm ET

To CCP is evil. Right, I forgot about that there is a group of Americans like you. I certainly appreciate that you still care so much about China, where your roots were. It means your parents had educated you very well in this aspect. I should tip my hats to them regarding this. But still, in my opinion, you should care more about your own privacy being violated by your own government and be more angry about your tax money, or your parents' tax money if you are not working yet, being relentlessly taken. After all, you are still an American who grow up in a western culture, except for your origins. And America is where you will live for most part of your live, most likely, isn't it? My only point is, while your own back yard is on fire, you are basically not in a position to rush to put off the fire on the house next door, letting along that house is on the otherside of the Ocean.


chigong   March 25th, 2010 8:54 pm ET

To CCP is evil:

Regarding your remarks: CCP is evil. evil.evil..... , I shall take my word back about tipping my hat to your parents on their edcuation to you. It seems that besides letting you know your roots, they also filled you up with anger. That is not a good sign.


Santiago Cueto   March 25th, 2010 9:03 pm ET

Google and GoDaddy's defiance of China's censorship mandate illustrates the power of corporate social responsibility initiatives to influence and reshape the repressive policies of authoritarian regimes. Secretary Clintons recent remarks about the information curtain dividing the world, reminded me of the apartheid era where much greater injustice and unspeakable acts against humanity were challenged and ultimately overcome through the use of corporate codes of conduct.

Given the success of codes of conduct in ending apartheid, we should look at applying the same principles to lift the information curtain China and in other repressive countries.

This was the subject of an article on the International Business Law Advisor-The Great Firewall of China: How Lessons from the Apartheid Era Can Lift the Information Curtain published on January 22, 2010 http://www.intlbusinesslaw.com


CCP is evil   March 25th, 2010 9:17 pm ET

@chigong
"My only point is, while your own back yard is on fire, you are basically not in a position to rush to put off the fire on the house next door, letting along that house is on the otherside of the Ocean"

I often tell my freinds that they are lucky because they have 2nd house at London, Paris..., passed by their ancestors. My ancestor's house plus land are stolen by CCP. and, most of all, Their lives are killed.

That's why human right is so important for us.
let's me repeated : CCP is evil, evil, evil....


Blogger   March 25th, 2010 9:46 pm ET

So much for free speech. you cannot even post on CNN without the moderators censoring everything out. They will only post opinions that match their views. CNN is not that far away from communism themselves.


Blogger   March 25th, 2010 9:46 pm ET

GO BACK HOME GOOGLE! You are not wanted in China! If you can't follow China laws then get out! You represent the arrogant American mentality that you can just go wherever you want and do whatever you want. You have no respect for others. Get out!!!


Akumaface   March 26th, 2010 2:24 am ET

To Blogger:

How much did the PRC pay you for these stupid remarks. I'm really ashamed for the things you guys had written here. I am also Chinese who lives in HK and you are saying Google not following Chinese Law! Literally, if you read the Chinese Law, they seems to be more democratic than the US or most Democratic countries but they just pick an choose and is for the use of the government official anyway they wanted it. Not for the protection of their citizen. These laws are simply rules to make illegal things legal for the conveniences of the Chinese Official. How many people will go to jail in a country just because they were trying to help find out the number of casualties in an earthquake!!
How many people will be sentenced to jail just because they write an essay stating his own opinion on what the government needs to do. How many people had died just trying to go to Beijing to look for justice simply because they were exploited and disregarded by their own reginal and provincial government . How many official would say things like "We should introduce a law to stop all these people who try to go to Beijing and complain to the Central Government by introducing more severe penalties to stop all these visit from the outside!! Should I go on more....If they are not evil, i don't know what is. If China is so good and powerful and while country like US, UK or other democratic countries are so evil, then why most of the Children of the Chinese officials have foreign passport and all educated overseas!! Come on, give me a break and please don't try to hide from all the lies. Saying the lie one thousand times doesn't make it true (but in China, it can). US or other western country or not, they are not perfect and no one is but how can you defend a country that doesn't respect human rights. I understand a lot of people have similar view as I am and please don't say you are representing majority of the Chinese population because you are not. So, stop ignoring the fact and get real for a change.


Mao Ze Wrong   March 29th, 2010 9:33 am ET

China needs its own homegrown search engine, with built in switches for degrees of truth, censorship and nationalistic pride. That's why we will soon be launching choogling.com
See details at http://chinareallysucks.com/Site/New_Stuff/Entries/2010/3/29_Google_goes%2C_but_you_can_keep_on_Choogling.html


Mao Ze Wrong   March 31st, 2010 2:12 pm ET

Coming soon…. From CRS/@

Get ready for the launch of China’s first comprehensive English-language search engine, designed entirely in China specifically for the Chinese audience. No more hand wringing. No more blaming outsiders for lack of cultural sensitivity. No need for censorship. And, no more controversy!
Using the latest in search algorithms (both what we could develop in China and adapt from established search engines), our IT specialists have developed an unique search engine with capabilities far advanced over any other search engine, and targeted solely at the world’s largest internet market – China.
So say goodbye to Google. Who needs another outside voice telling the world’s oldest civilization how to search or what the results should be? Soon, googling will become choogling (www.choogling.com), focusing the power of the Chinese to search.
choogling offers a bevy of new features never seen in a search engine. That’s because it is the FIRST search engine ever devised solely with China and the unique Chinese search market in mind. Built-in are highly-sensitive switches allowing the user to choose the level and focus of EVERY search.
Two major advances completely remove the need for any censorship or fear of future government interference. Click the “waiguoren” tab, and you get a shockingly exact view of Chinese issues, without any censorship or sugar coating. Click the “zhonguoren” tab and results tumble forth in a mainland-sensitive manner, as if direct from Zhongnanhai ! No more battles about correctness, or questions of how to censor results. choogling does it all.
So, forget your VPNs and proxy servers. Give google the boot. From now on, everyone in China can keep on choogling.
Launch details to follow within days!!!!


ankitjivrani   April 6th, 2010 9:00 am ET

as per my knowledge may be google entered in china market in 2005.if i am wrong then correct me.


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