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May 20, 2010

Facebookers respond to 'Draw Mohammed Day'

Posted: 11:59 AM ET

Thousands of users posted illustrations of Muslim prophet Mohammed to the web Thursday, responding to a controversial Facebook group that prompted Pakistan to block access to the social-networking site.

Everybody Draw Mohammed Day encourages people to flout the belief by devout Muslims that it is wrong to depict religious figures because it could lead to idol worship. The group has more than 81,000 fans on Facebook.

Creators of the group say they got the idea after recent controversies surrounding the belief. A series of cartoons of Mohammed published in a Danish newspaper in 2005 led to riots in countries around the world.

At least two European cartoonists live under police protection after drawing Mohammed and, most recently, Comedy Central edited part of the animated show "South Park" because it showed the prophet.

By mid-morning on Thursday, more than 7,300 images had been uploaded to the Facebook page, most of them drawings of Mohammed.

Some are silly. But a quick scan showed many that are crude, and some seemed to be intentionally offensive.

The creators of the page said that's not what they're after - that their message is about free speech, not attacking Islam.

"Enjoy the rest of the day and draw Mohammed however you may like," said a Thursday morning post. "We will of course encourage you to make a creative and humourous picture, instead of something hateful."

Predictably, the group has created backlash. Another Facebook group, called "AGAINST Everybody Draw Mohammed Day," actually had more members - about 96,000, as of Monday morning.

Recent posts on that page called on members to "keep protesting against those filthy pages" and report the Draw Mohammed page to Facebook as being objectionable.

But a Facebook spokesman said the page does not violate any of the site's terms. A glitch prevented some users from accessing the page briefly Monday morning, but he said that was technical and has been fixed.

"We want Facebook to be a place where people can openly discuss issues and express their views, while respecting the rights and feelings of others," he said Thursday.

"With now more than 400 million users from around the world, who have varying cultures and ideals, using Facebook as a place to discuss and share things that are important to them, we sometimes find people discussing and posting about topics that others may find controversial, inaccurate, or offensive."

He did, however, suggest Facebook is monitoring the situation closely.

"When these feelings, or any content reported to us becomes an attack on anyone, including Muslim people, it will be removed and further action may be taken against the person responsible," he said.

He said Facebook is disappointed with Pakistan's decision to block the site and is considering legal action.

Pakistan's government issued an order Wednesday blocking Facebook for an indefinite time because the site had not removed the page.

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Mark C   May 21st, 2010 12:34 am ET

Here's some freedom of speech for you "Freedom of shamelessess": Mohammad sucked off his camel nightly. Don't like me saying it? Too bad.


Franko   May 21st, 2010 12:39 am ET

Distracted by drawings, while the plot to reduce world population is hatched
Worry about the Malthusian worshipers of the Bohemian Grove Moloch Owl


pushma   May 21st, 2010 12:40 am ET

What a stupid thing to be done on facebook.... it is a fun, family and friends reunion site, no idea why facebook is getting into these kind of controversies,
bad that Pakistan govt. had banned facebook/youtube, depriving the Pakistanis their right to protest against this rubbish.... but very bad is that facebook management is still playing dumb......
let us not fight over issues which should not be a part of our lives...My point of view about religion and politics is very simple, these two discussions are very very personal, we should not drag them to common life, facebook should remove such links, as this is not a part of their policy, n let us get togather like before....
peace for the world is my motto


HF   May 21st, 2010 12:43 am ET

I am tired of religion freaks from middle east telling people how to think and they tell us where to get off, take your religion and crap and move out of our countries if you don't like the rules otherwise, .......... bite it!!


Mark C   May 21st, 2010 12:48 am ET

What the assorted Muslim imbeciles here and on FB can't seem to figure out is that no page would have been made if Muslims hadn't attempted to murder a political cartoonist for producing some pretty mild cartoons. This is not an isolated incident. Salmon Rushdie was forced to live in hiding for many years for producing a master work of literature. And Theo Van Gogh was actually murdered for producing a film critical of Islamic treatment of women.

When you people show as much outrage about violence and murder as you do over what you consider to be taboo, maybe we'll listen to you. Until then, you seem to have mistaken us for people who give a rat's as$ about your feelings.


phil   May 21st, 2010 12:49 am ET

Thanks to your these actions some one JUST like you in another part of the world might think that it is with in his rights to kill the next passing by American soldier to avenge your action. He will be with in his rights on that land to do so like you are here. All that will happen is a mother will lose her kid thanks to idiots like you.
All you did was proved the point of ppl trying to incite that you are against their religion.


AC   May 21st, 2010 12:53 am ET

Actually, I am Roman Catholic to be precise, but duty to my country will always be first, and my country is currently at war due to unprovoked attacks that climaxed on 9/11. At the moment I cannot forgive until I see a willingness in eraticating the poisoned atmosphere of a few that want to threaten our very existance on earth. Religion is what I was taught to fall back upon, it is always there, but in no way should it be at the forefront of every second in ones existance and decision making....as you can see, that is very dangerous.... and that is what I believe. It leads to irrational thinking, misinterpretation, and not making the best decision...this is where we differ. I am a realist and I also believe in modern technology, humanity, and science. Did you ever come to ask yourseves why there is so much negativity as you can see throughout this blog instead of asking the majority of the responders why? Are you truly surprised? Well then one needs to get there heads out of the clouds and see what is going on down here once in a while, and do some good in making things right instead of worrying about a drawing contest that may or may not have been intentional...freedom will always trump a closed mind. If Muhammed was truly upset, then they will have to answer to him in the after life...not answer to any of you. You want to make a point of something, then try to condone terrorism every chance you get if you are of muslim faith especially, speak out against regimes that turn a blind eye to it while thousands die. Ask yourself why we americans are so upset with Islam at the moment...if you put the quran down and dig deep, you will find the answer.


Puzzled   May 21st, 2010 12:54 am ET

So, let me get this straight....... I am not living in your country. I do not believe in your religion. You do not rule my country. You have no religious or temporal authority over me....so..If i drew a picture of Buddha, Changing Woman, Moses, Vishnu, Jesus, or Watonka, with Muhammad in a respectful way.........You would send over assassins for me and have murder committed............. WHY?????
Truthfully, this is the essence of barbarism! It seems to me you have come to idolize this man too much. The irony is you have fallen into the very pit you have sought to avoid. How much can you venerate G*d when so much focus is on his prophet? How much caring, love, or respect can you offer the people of other faiths with this obsession?
The dirogatory pictures that were drawn were NOT the right way to go about this. Let us start drawing pictures with the prophet sharing a meal or some other respectful way. We are a people of large hearts, and it is true that you gain more with honey than vinegar.
However; I must say that it is indeed arrogant and presumptuous to dictate to people in other countries that do not believe in your faith how they may live. If Facebook's content offends you, then no one is forcing you to stay on it. Just close the door quietly as you leave, thank you!


AC   May 21st, 2010 1:12 am ET

Phil, with all due respect if something as small as a drawing contest is more important in protecting ones faith across international borders on the world wide web than the image of suicide bombers and a large enough radical populace that wants nothing to do with you but play soccer with your head in the street, I'm afraid you are trying to convince the wrong side as to why that is. There should be no reason to kill anyone for something said...they are only words, I believe and live by righteous actions. Comments like you wonder "why we kill the infidels" just shows how close minded, insecure, and medieval one is when they are upset by trying to impose that closed mindedness to free societies with threats....these colors don't run (Red, White, Blue) I will say this again, one needs to inherit tolerance, without tolerance, you are seeing what people become.


Natecar   May 21st, 2010 1:13 am ET

All religions have much in their basic beliefs that are blasphemous to MANY other religions and, in fact, a majority of the people in the world.
One of the great advances of modern civilization has been to accept that you do not need to enforce blasphemy in this life. Your god will take care of that in the afterlife, so let it go for now.
The only reason you would NEED to enforce your religion's views of blasphemy on others would be if you doubted your god's ability to enforce them in the afterlife.

Freedom of speech means accepting someone else's ability to express their ideas, even if it is that which you would work your entire life against. If you can't do that, you don't believe in freedom of speech.


mikkitoto   May 21st, 2010 1:16 am ET

Our world is going through so many crisis's at the moment, and we are creating more opportunities for creating a horrible atmosphere around us..... shame on us, Facebook should remove these cartoons immeditately and an official apology is also very much due... with a commitment that there will not be a next time like this again in future .... ever


mikkitoto   May 21st, 2010 1:23 am ET

@ natecar, freedom of speech doesnot mean that you are humiliation someones religion, or in other words , freedom of speech doesn't base on humiliation or disrespect......accepting ideas is differnt from being disrespectful.... so review ur statement


kevin   May 21st, 2010 1:26 am ET

The muslums can sit and squake all they want but if the big guy is upset over this then he would have taken control. I bet he has a sense of humour and is laughing at both sides.


jahanzeb   May 21st, 2010 1:26 am ET

This is totally wrong this is not freedom of speech. They just want to hurt muslims by drawning (NAUZBILLAH) our respectable PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH). No religion teaches such kind of actions are your religion teaches you to hurt others on such a mass level but they showed their angerness against Islam. facebook also showed baisness & muslim will not use FB again Islam is the most peacefull religion. i know those who di this will face have very hurtfull end.


AC   May 21st, 2010 1:30 am ET

I would agree to this commitment if every Muslim is committed to writing the foreign countries for whom they represent in doing all they can to stop radical terrorism, then having heads of state and clergy denouncing it as well every time there is an occurence, if you are truly upset as to how you are perceived by the rest of the world, do something positive instead of telling me what is right or wrong in your eyes..... I am still waiting for an official apology for 9/11 as well.


Alethia   May 21st, 2010 1:34 am ET

@AC:
Did you ever think that our soldiers' lives in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East/South Asia depend on our being civil with innocent Muslim brothers and sisters? They are at war against the terrorists too. (BTW, I'm not criticizing YOUR posts)
American soldiers depend heavily on the cooperation of innocent civilians who happen to be Muslim. We are trying to help them set-up a better life for their people. Those very civilians are losing their lives also in daily fights with the terrorists.

We should go out of our way to have a civilized exchange with Muslims about the cartoon and other issues. Which is not the case with some of these barbaric diatribes against Muslims.

@Puzzled: Even if I disagree with your opinion, I DO agree with you that the conversation could be conducted in a more caring and gentle way...Thank you.


Tired   May 21st, 2010 1:40 am ET

God,or what ever you want to call me, to the world. You do not know my mind and religions are not the answer.
Do Good not evil. Help others, and kill no one!


AC   May 21st, 2010 1:42 am ET

You want me to believe islam is the most peaceful religion....prove it. No other religion at the moment has as big a radical population. Clergy needs to get their act together in teaching the proper text so we all can hear the proper interpretation Tear down schools that preach hatred and violence, inprison those that misinterpret the quaran and put your swords to their heads.


Alethia   May 21st, 2010 1:47 am ET

Well AC, it would be nice if some innocent Muslim would apologize for those twisted Muslims who perpetrated 911, yes.

It would also be nice if some innocent American would apologize for the invasion of Iraq under the false pretense of WMD.

I can do that. I'm American. So I apologize for the twisted American adminstration who invaded Iraq under false pretenses...


Ascii Nutcase   May 21st, 2010 1:48 am ET

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garamasala   May 21st, 2010 1:51 am ET

The modern day crsade against muslims continues against This serves no purpose other than to incite hate and provoke violence. It shows malicious intent on behalf of those who organized this andlack of respect of other peoples customs andbeliefs. Freedom has its limits. Freedom to insult other peoples religion should not be tolerated.


Natecar   May 21st, 2010 1:55 am ET

@mikkitoto: Freedom of speech means EXACTLY that.

Freedom Of Speech

It does not mean censored speech so others aren't offended by your stupidity or ignorance. Ignorance and stupidity are also protected rights.
I fear what you want is freedom of acceptable speech (based on your view of acceptable).
I would suggest that even you can understand why letting someone else be the judge of whether speech is allowable or not is contrary to the notion of freedom. If you don't believe me, then imagine me being the judge of your speech. Would that make you feel 'free'?

Just because I can say something offensive doesn't mean I have to. However, as soon as you try to stop someone else from saying that offensive thing because you just don't like it, you are censoring speech for content. That is wrong.


AC   May 21st, 2010 1:59 am ET

Alethia, unfortunately...I, and many, feel it is a doomed policy. We will always be a civil people and no other country has people that are as caring and passionate in seeing good prevail for all as we are. But there is only so much you can do as the people have to open up and want this as well, and as obvious as it seems to us, I just don't see it happening in this case because of the extreme cultural differences and past history. We have to give these radicals as hard a blow as we can while their so that it will take years for them to become what they were. I am an optimist, but old ways are very hard to change. Winning their hearts and minds needs to start with their own people in leadership and clergy, not a foreign security force. I know our boys are doing the best they can, but I really do feel for them as the news is not good in regards to winning them over. No leader is stepping up to the plate in regards to helping us do this as far as I can see. Civilians just don't want to talk, and the training of any local military is lethargic at best. Unfortunately, a closed society accustomed to very old customs, intimidation, and corruption wins the day in that region as it has for milennia.


Chanceflight   May 21st, 2010 2:01 am ET

Freedom of expression is acceptable, but at the same time you must learn to respect others beliefs and religions. Muslim's really aren't asking for much from cartoonists. They just don't want their prophet drawn, ESPECIALLY when its all in objective and disturbing forms.


Alethia   May 21st, 2010 2:06 am ET

@Natecar: Mikkimoto seems to be talking about honor and dignity...of human beings.

These things don't seem to be exhibited in your posts...


OurRightsAndWhatsRight   May 21st, 2010 2:06 am ET

I am not a Muslim but I am an American and I do enjoy the freedoms that this country affords me.

I would like to point out that just because you are within your rights does not mean that you are right.

If this behavior is so hurtful to others then why exhibit it just to prove a point? Sure, it is within your rights but can you honestly say it is right?

Lets face it, with one billion Muslims there is no way all Muslims are terrorists. If that were the case then things would be a lot worse.


JP   May 21st, 2010 2:13 am ET

We don't respect people's beliefs. We respect people. So long as people around the world cloak evil deeds in religious dogma, we should not respect them. When Muslims stop treating women as property and anyone who disagrees with them as canon fodder then maybe free thinking people will respect them. Calling your beliefs "religion" doesn't make them respectable and doesn't make them inviolate. When you believe in limiting the rights of others and killing them when they offend you then you should not and will not be respected.

We have to stop thinking that religion must be respected. It gives the label too much power. When people give away 14 year old girls as rewards for loyalty or stone a woman to death for speaking out in public or deny girls an education it is NOT respectable. It is a power trip by demented individuals using the label religion to feel justified in whatever they do. It is the responsibility of rational people to STOP respecting something that calls itself religion when its followers don't respect basic human rights.

You do not have the right to not be offended. You can earn respect by refusing to take offense.


kiran   May 21st, 2010 2:20 am ET

i think this was a very shamful thing no one has right to offend anybodies religious beliefs. facebook should stop all this . hurting someones emotions is not a freedom of speech.


Alethia   May 21st, 2010 2:20 am ET

@AC: I hope it's OK to say this, but I feel your pain. I'm with you and God is with you and with all people...Don't lose faith.

Faith is everything whether one is Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu or no religion at all. I can say the word Faith in a couple different languages: Iman(Arabic), Vishwas(Sanskrit) etc.

AC, maybe as Americans we should let other countries take care of themselves a little more. I am not an isolationist, but why do we have to be in every other country in the world?

A little more concentration on our domestic needs is something we should consider. A little less worrying about who else is invading who overseas...America needs to rethink its role in the world...


AC   May 21st, 2010 2:22 am ET

I agree, this whole FB thing was not well thought out, if it were to provoke a reaction, it surely has...but I will leave you with this. If this many muslims can cry out against a drawing contest of their prophet offending them, why can't we get that same voice crying out aginst those that are tainting the image of their very religion? As we can see, if it is something dear to you, you will bark back. so where is that same enthusiasm in countering something else that should be dear to you????

it just makes us in the west wonder..............

Good night, and may peace and harmony prevail for the sake of us all


jen   May 21st, 2010 2:38 am ET

are u all retarded? theres a difference between freedom of speech and deliberately wanting to insult a certain group of people for the fun of it. the thing with some people is that they have their head so far up their ass that they feel like they can do whatever they want and say whatever they want and then say "freedom of speech". Its only 'freedom' when you know how to use it, there are certain boundaries, I'm so sick of having to hear about how stupid some people are. There are two sides to every story, so maybe, before you get too hyped up about blaming muslims for everything going on in your life, you should probably realize that there are other muslims around the world who are as sick of these extremists as you are. Don't generalize, read facts, check out more than one source for every event, this is so pathetic. some people just need to stop being so retarded


Alethia   May 21st, 2010 2:43 am ET

I'm saying goodnight to all, too. They say that out of bad comes good...This awful FB venture was very wrenching ideed and I'm so sorry. I'll ask my Muslim brothers and sisters to please forgive those comments which were unduly hurtful. Remember, please, those of us who have stood with you, and accept the challenge of those resonable comments which constructively engaged you.

I am a Christian who has read The Holy Quran. It never ceases to cause me to get goosebumps whenever I read in the Invocation opening:
"In the Name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most Beneficent..."


rocking   May 21st, 2010 2:46 am ET

Not sure what hateful people here get from spewing hatred. There are 1.6b muslims out there, including 7m in the US, and it's the fastest growing religion in the world. So you don't agree with Islam or its prophet, go ahead and draw cartoons and tick people off. Then what? Sleep better at night knowing you've contributed to humanity? I say go and feed some poor people instead.


VegasRage   May 21st, 2010 2:50 am ET

I don't think I'll let a faith I don't follow tell me what I can and can't do in a country that has a separation of church and state. I for one am grateful for this. Now if I ever go to Pakistan, I'll respect their customs and laws. But I won't bow to death threats by people who think they can control my actions, they are clearly mistaken.


Justice   May 21st, 2010 2:57 am ET

Newton's law: " There is a reaction to every action with equal and opposite force."

If this is a time tested reality (TRUTH) then why are the hatred- spreaders surprized at the reaction of the affected comunity.

I think that justice is supreme than freedom (unlimited) & justice starts from ones ownself by controlling ones actions which may affect other fellow beings.


usman   May 21st, 2010 3:05 am ET

just stop! no auguments.


Bharath   May 21st, 2010 3:07 am ET

This is a cheap trick by Facebook to counter "QUIT FACEBOOK DAY" May 31st. In the name of freedom of speech you are hurting the feelings of Muslims. I am sure nobody would dare start a page of "Holocaust Denying" or "Hailing Hitler". Why, there are laws created in many countries against that. Now where is the freedom of speech?


Ben   May 21st, 2010 3:09 am ET

this a stupid move done by those who have created this group and hosted this event.
this is against others religion.
I will see what will happen if "Draw Jesus Day" is organized. then all the christians will be upset and then they will know how others feel.
I will be waiting for that moment.


LouieD   May 21st, 2010 3:12 am ET

"Let's put together "Draw Jesus taking it in the @$$" Day! It's a celebration of free speech!"

Whether or not you agree with EDMD, hopefully everyone realizes how stupid this particular comment is. Nobody suggested drawing anything obscene about Mohammed. Those who did, did so of their own accord.

If you're so against posting anything obscene or inciteful about religious figures, why even use this comment as a (bad) example?


awesomeness   May 21st, 2010 3:25 am ET

I once saw a cool drawing of 911 with pigs falling out of the building, it was very inspiring. I think we should also have a draw 911 day on facebook – how awesomely cool would that be?


Omar   May 21st, 2010 3:25 am ET

What you are all forgetting is this is not about the religion. This is about the people who believe it and then push that belief to censor us. Who cares about Islam but muslims. Who cares about christianity but christians. I live in a free country and therefor can express myself in anyway I want. You do not have the right to take away my freedoms because of your religion. oblufire at you tube look me up. I support the freedoms I have. I don't back away from people trying to take them away for their personal beliefs. And blasphamy is only that if I believe in your religion.


hasnain   May 21st, 2010 3:56 am ET

Asalam o laikum
Brothers & SISTER
MAY GOD bless u all with a peace full thought .
we muslims belive in one GOD and all the prophets sent by him as he told us in Quran Majeed .
So our humanity is incomplete untill we belive in all prophets and all books sent by the GOD ALLAH.
and we also Do not like to Draw the cartoons of JESUS .becoz he was last Prophets sent before MUHAMMAD (S.A.W)
Muslims Belive dat there is no existance of any pictures of any PROPHET.dats y making there imaginative pictures is a big sin.
and GOD ALLAH did not like this.
Doing These things will just make a a lover of PROPHET angry.
Becoz it Hurts his belife.


Sharif Chowdhury   May 21st, 2010 3:59 am ET

insulting Muslims in the name of freedom of speech is an insult !
but again Muslims should understand that those extremists radicals started this nonsense.


meela dhala   May 21st, 2010 4:01 am ET

to freedomoride,

yes you can deny whatever you want. people can deny holocaust if they want, you can deny jesus if you want....
but celebrating and making fun is different...
what if there is an annual celebration day on holocaust? would that be freedom of speech? i guess everything should be allowed.


Ali   May 21st, 2010 4:04 am ET

Islam is peaceful religion and it contains all the excellent ways which is for the betterment of humans and humanity. Our Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) conveyed us all that ways. The last sermon of our Holy Prophet is such a good example .. some of the sayings from the last sermeon of Our Holy Prophet (PBUH) are:
O’ Ye people! Allah says, O’
people We created you from one male and one female and made you into
tribes and nations, so as to be known to one another. Verily in the sight
of Allah, the most honoured amongst you is the one who is most
God-fearing. There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab and for a
non-Arab over an Arab, nor for the white over the black nor for the black
over the white except in God-conciousness.
O’ people! Verily you have got certain rights over your women and your
women have certain rights over you. It is your right upon them to honour
their conjugal rights, and not to commit acts of impropriety, which if
they do, you are authorised by Allah to separate them from your beds amd
chastise them, but not severely, and if they refrain, then clothe and feed
them properly.
Behold! It is not permissible for a woman to give anything from the wealth
of her husband to anyone but with his consent.

Treat the women kindly, since they are your helpers and not in a position
to manage their affairs themselves. Fear Allah concerning women, for
verily you have taken them on the security of Allah and have made their
persons lawful unto you by words of Allah.

All depts must be repaid, all borrowed property must be returned, gifts
should be reciprocated and a surety must make good the loss to the assured.

Beware! No one committing a crime is responsible for it but himself.
Neither the child is responsible for the crime of his father, nor the
father is responsible for the crime of his child.

Nothing of his brother is lawful for a Muslim except what he himself gives
willingly. So do not wrong yourselves.


Naina   May 21st, 2010 4:10 am ET

We should respect the beliefs of others as no religion allows and teaches such kind of acts which hurts the others feelings/ beliefs .

Is this Free of Speech – freeedom or called terorrism the prople who brings these kinds of concept in the society should be treated as terorriest of the society.

We all from all over the world condemn this.


Franko   May 21st, 2010 4:29 am ET

CNN is censoring - first spaces - then alt 255, the null character
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    What characters are not religiously obscene ?


Aydin   May 21st, 2010 4:30 am ET

I am an atheist and anti-theist, as coined by Christopher Hitchens, and I am offended by religion. That's right, religion offends me, so please remove all your churches, mosques etc. from my sight. Stop using my tax money to give tax breaks and subsidies to religious groups. Until you have done all this, don't expect me to stop drawing Mohammed, or stop "taking the lord's name in vain," and don't expect me to respect any other ridiculous objection you have to my freedom of expression.

This is offensive to Muslims? That's great, go cry me a river, and then grow up a little bit. Many things in life are offensive, get used to it.

I am Turkish.


Nick   May 21st, 2010 5:10 am ET

We're exercising "Freedom of Speech" and they're exercising "Freedom of Religion" I think its fair enough!


RevolutionUnknown   May 21st, 2010 5:19 am ET

This is absolutely ridiculous. The content over the public domain has to be moderated by all means. And the things that are offensive to certain group of people or not is absolutely relative. One group might consider its religion sacred and bantering or mocking of it by someone would be considered offensive. Likewise for certain group their rituals and traditions are sacred and satirical comments on them would be considered beligerent. We have to understand and realize the domain that is Holy to certain groups of people and abstain from playing over that. This way we could hurt humanity less under the umbrella of so called "Freedom of Speech" which was meant to work the other way round.


Muhammad Naser ul Allah   May 21st, 2010 5:27 am ET

Go to hell u all christians.
i think that they have known muslims are on the right path and christians are astray because they have no confirmation about their own religion and barking about our precious PROPHET MUHAMMAD [S.A.W]on the other hand some i read some muslims comments and it is very click my mind that they are non muslim because muslims can not compromise on their PROPHET and RELIGION.
YOu are asking that muslims are killing your peoples it is not true because i think you are fully forgetting what's going on the muslims countries{Pahalistian,chachnia ,serbia,kashmir,Iraq,Afghanistan,Sudan and many more] yes you are right muslims are attacking on you in these countries,BUT tell me one thing why your army are in these countries what's they do the muslims countries.i think that i would to tell about your history that what says the HITLER.He said that
" i left some jewish and christians that the next generation knew that why i killed them"
IF you know more your history you contact me or write your questions on http://www.formspring.me/HeartedMuslim i will answered you there.


Bala Sardin   May 21st, 2010 5:38 am ET

If they want to draw, let them. Their ignorance is digging them a trench bigger than their wisdom can get them out of. When one throws a stone into the crowd, only one thing can happen: You get showered with stones, flee for your life, or pee in your pants in fear of what is to come. Like I said, only one thing can happen. good luck artists 🙂


Puzzled   May 21st, 2010 5:42 am ET

We should be more civil; although killing people over cartoons is definitely Not civil, and the smell of the burning bodies for days during 911 is not anything I will ever forget. So you will pardon me if I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request. That means: NO, I will not be Obeying a Religion I Do Not Practice in My Own Country. Read my lips, this is a FREE country. That said, I do not believe in insulting religious people. I actually would be more likely to draw some of them being together peacefully.
Do you realize the more "do it our way or we'll kill you " comes frothing out of your mouths, the more you belie the peaceful religion babble that you spout. Plus it really does not sound convincing after the"Kill and Lie to Infidels" passages in your book.
When you spout off about killing others it is then your own soul is revealed and it is hypocrisy I see. Now where did I put my pen.... paint...crayons... chalk... Great job of convincing me how benign all that absolute "we are the master religion stuff "is !!!!


Saud   May 21st, 2010 5:46 am ET

We must respect each other and respect religions too. I started hating facebook since the day i have seen such a group. They should have blocked it the same moment it was created. It is a big "propaganda", I am sure that they have achieved whatever they wanted to. I must say all christians/jewish/Muslims are not same. But there are some people who destroy the whole idea and brings hatred among all of us.

We should think in a way that, FIRST WE ARE HUMANS, then we are muslims, christians and jewish. Playing with somebody's religion is like playing with his/her feelings. We all learned it in our school " DO RESPECT HAVE RESPECT", Fight or war is not really a solution to these problems. Freedom of speech should also have some limits and one should not cross the limits.

I wish and pray that we all human live and respect each other.


Imran Usman   May 21st, 2010 5:52 am ET

All i know is: its not Christians that has waged war against Islam. and by saying anything against Christianity it self is prohibited by Islam and our Prophet PBUH. As that being said, any disrespect against Islam and our prophet will not be tolerated. Fully agree with the ban, and will never ever use facebook for anything ever again. Thank you Pakistani Government for once doing the right thing.


summerseale   May 21st, 2010 6:01 am ET

So many comments saying that Freedom of Speech should be limited.

Fine! I agree!

Let's start with limiting the freedom of speech of people who posted that. From now on, you can no longer say or write anything that says that Freedom of Speech must be limited. And when you've accepted that, then the rest of us may listen to you again.

Or, if you're unlucky, we may decide to take away a lot more of your Freedom of Speech.

I'm certain you'll understand.


Tahir   May 21st, 2010 6:02 am ET

Ah .. Freedom of speech .. freedom of expression.. and finally freedom of action. right?

If we are all yelling for freedom of speech then why the heck we point out someone's freedom of action... i mean .. a thief can go an and steal anything from your store.. you dont do anything.. right? why .. because its freedom.. he is free to do whatever he can .. atleast he is not hurting anyone, right?
or take it the other way..
someone's come in and start drawing your nude pictures.. or your parents nude pictures dipicting as if they are actually 'doing' each other ...and then they post it all outside your home .. doesnt matter right? since they have freedom of expression and they can humiliate or abuse your parents by any means .. you should keep quite .. and smile and keep on watching . keep doing .. wow ... amazing stuff!

I am really amazed by the standards of freedom of speech and freedom of expression and freedom of action .. so i believe, i would be right to say that Hitler's killing of thousands of jews was correct, it was his freedom of action .we SHOULD NOT raise voice against these killings.... someone blowing the twin tours on 9/11 was right .. it was their freedom of action .. right.... RIGHT?

Go On Friends .. You have your freedom and everyone one else have their own !!!!

May God Bless Us All With The Right Track, Amen


Qindeel Shujaat   May 21st, 2010 6:09 am ET

Irrespective of what the content is, if it hurts people feelings and emotions.... it should be immediately removed. It is facebook administration who must be blamed.

Very sad. We make simple things very complicated.


Asif   May 21st, 2010 6:15 am ET

While i was in US, i used to hear some FM radio channels. They used to make fun of Jesus Christ. What else do you expect from such people. However, I must say that American in general are generous people, but radicalism exists everywhere, every country, every religion, because nothing is radical but your own mind.

I am all for the right to free speech, but not such kind of.


SALAM   May 21st, 2010 6:22 am ET

We speak about freedom of speech....
In d US, It is a crime 2 speak about the holocaust...
where's d freedom of speech
In countries of d world, It is wrong 2 proclaim oneself as the president or prime minister without due procedures....
I'm free 2 say whatever I wan't, don't I

The concept of freedom of speech is accepted by Islam, but d LAWS OF ALLAH AND SHARIAH, serve as the guiding pronciples in exercising such rights

We Muslims LOVE MUHAMMAD and we see it as wrong 2 depict someone none of us in this age has seen....

SO facebook users respect THAT


summerseale   May 21st, 2010 6:31 am ET

"Irrespective of what the content is, if it hurts people feelings and emotions.... it should be immediately removed. It is facebook administration who must be blamed."

I agree! Your post offends me. Let's remove it forcibly. You also offend me. You should be removed as well.


summerseale   May 21st, 2010 6:40 am ET

Belief in God offends me. Anyone posting their belief in God should have their posts removed – irrespective of "religion". It's not really "religion" anyway. It is called "delusion", and it isn't a good thing. I think all people defending Mohammed, or Jesus, or Moses, or Krisna, should have their posts removed because it offends my senses of rationality, logic, and reason.


DC   May 21st, 2010 6:41 am ET

I believe that threatening peoples lives because they draw pictures of Mohammed is nuts. I also think is just as crazy to aggravate an already tense situation by deliberately provoking the Muslim world.

While I do not understand it, I will respect their beliefs and refrain from drawing pictures they find offensive. At the same time I will defend the rights of someone else to do so as it is a matter of free expression.


summerseale   May 21st, 2010 6:45 am ET

SALAM: "In d US, It is a crime 2 speak about the holocaust..."

You're an idiot. First of all, learn how to spell. And second of all, it isn't a crime to "speak about the holocaust" in America. It's not even a crime to deny it ever happened.

You FAIL on every single count in your "statement" above. You lose. Goodbye.


summerseale   May 21st, 2010 6:53 am ET

"While I do not understand it, I will respect their beliefs and refrain from drawing pictures they find offensive."

I don't respect their beliefs. I think their beliefs are idiotic. They are unscientific and they don't respect me. Why should I respect anything which is so idiotic as that? I don't respect any religion's beliefs. I understand their history, their context, but I'm not living in the bronze age, thank you. I'm living in a scientific world which has given so much more to humanity than religion ever has.

It's time to stop respecting morons and their moronic beliefs.


bluetooth   May 21st, 2010 6:57 am ET

im really2 dissappointed with this event on FB...but as muslim we will not organize or thinking about doing anything agains Jesus...because Jesus also our phophet...but not GOD...we muslim respect every each religion...and im a malaysian...we are mutiracial country...more than 5 religion,race,tradition..but we unite as one because we respect each others...but why not world?? why must have hatred in their self?? i think there is no religion ask their follower to do bad thing...but why this happen?? think where the mistake is...


jermaine   May 21st, 2010 6:59 am ET

@ peace no they won't be ashame... they will be proud that I am telling the truth!

@_@
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^^O look muhammed agrees


Asif   May 21st, 2010 7:03 am ET

for Summerseale...

You will never be respected unless you learn to respect others. Secondly, you do not know muslim history, context but you are ignorant enough to think that you do.

If science has given this humanity to you, than my friend, you didnt get anything from nature.

Like they say..."You dont get if you dont get it"


summerseale   May 21st, 2010 7:15 am ET

@Asif

You're wrong. I do know Muslim history. I know the history of all the major religions. I've read the koran several times, I've read the bible and the new testament, and the book of mormon and the gitas, thank you. They're all idiotic. Your books have given nothing to us. Nothing. They have given no medicine, no understanding of the age of the universe, no understanding of evolution or the atomic theory – nothing at all. It's mind boggling that you cling to these dated myths which could only have been fabricated by bronze aged nomads in the desert or swamps when they knew nothing at all about the world and the universe around them.

And I do respect others if they are rational people. If they aren't rational people, or they think I have to somehow submit to them or their invisible man in the sky, then no...I don't respect them at all. You take that kind of respect and you can shove it.


Mobeen   May 21st, 2010 7:33 am ET

Is there not enough hatred in the world today ? why cannot we humans, who God says is His best creation learn to live in peace ? what joy are we getting by expressing our freedom of speech, while 1.25 billion fellow human beings suffer emotional pain. I strongly believe that in pursuit of our rights we have totally forgotten whats right.

This attempt of expression of freedom is nothing but fanning hate amongst fellow human beings. And we claim to be educated !!


Muhammad Lover   May 21st, 2010 7:37 am ET

How dare this group expresses their dissatisfaction towards other belief without taking any sensitivity and civilisation to do such act...
This group must bear in mind that everybody in this world have the own rights and freedom to uphold the truth...
This group will wait and see what they are going to be paid during THE PUNISHMENT DAY...
GOD KNOWS THE BEST


summerseale   May 21st, 2010 7:42 am ET

@Mobeen They're suffering emotional pain because they believe in nonsense. If they didn't believe in nonsense and were rational people about life in general, they wouldn't be suffering emotional pain. It's their own fault.

@Muhammad Lover There is no god. You're living a delusion. Snap out of it. Get up off of your knees. Get a spine. Stop submitting to invisible deities in the sky.


Asif   May 21st, 2010 7:43 am ET

to Summerseale:

Haha,, there u go. I think u should better first take some hypertension pill. Its mind boggling to you, not to me.

Anyways, I dont know which country you belong to and you know what.... I dont really care. 🙂 But i do know that one can only take things as much as ones mind allows. And all of us knows that various size of minds exist within humans. Some are big enough to grasp so many things... and some are.....what shud i say.... tiny.....


Yalah   May 21st, 2010 7:50 am ET

Yalah! Yalah! Yalah!

We are a peaceful religion. KILL all infidels


Asif   May 21st, 2010 7:52 am ET

anyways,

Sorry if anyone is hurt because of what i wrote. Facebook allowed it because they knew they will become more and more popular. All of us muslims, we dont like it. And we dont use facebook anymore.


Muhammad Drawer   May 21st, 2010 7:58 am ET

I Drew Muhammad. Why? "Let us not become so tolerant, that we tolerate intolerance." I understand normal Muslims were offended, and to them I'm sorry. I'm offended when I see nasty caricatures of Jesus.

However, I will not be bullied. I will defend the right of others to not be intimidated into silence. Shout, scream, and protest all you want. Make it illegal in your countries, like Holocaust defaming is in Germany. Exercise *your* free speech.

When people are killed by Mujahideen, repeatedly have to dodge assassination attempts (Kurt Westergaard), or has their home burned (Lars Vilks) then I can no longer be tolerant.

Let us not become so tolerant, that we tolerate intolerance.


kommmie   May 21st, 2010 8:09 am ET

Just because of certain black sheep in Muslim community doesnt mean you can judge all of them. i hate bin ladin to death for what he did.and besides he doesnt deserve to be called a Muslim for his terrorist attack.
Islam is a religion of peace.is it really the religions fault itself if its followers chose not to abide by it ?.
i myself is a Muslim and i do have many American friends here in Pakistan who are Jews and Christians . we respect each others point of view and beliefs.
and one more thing i still love America and Americans and I am no one to judge them for what certain Americans did in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Bharath   May 21st, 2010 8:13 am ET

This is a cheap trick by Facebook to counter "QUIT FACEBOOK DAY" May 31st. In the name of freedom of speech you are hurting the feelings of Muslims.

I am sure nobody would dare start a page of "Holocaust Denying" or "Hailing Hitler". Why, there are laws created in many countries against that. Now where is the freedom of speech?


jane doe   May 21st, 2010 8:13 am ET

"Well Mr. Freedom, try to tell a Jew he has a long nose, and see what you will be callled. Anti-semitic, Jew hater, anti-Israel, Get the hell out of America (as if America is Israel!!). So you still think freedom or die?"

This is true just like if you tell a black person he has big lips, a nappy fro, and make fun of ebonics. Just like if you go up to an Arab man and tell him he is a terrorist. Just like if you go up to an asian guy and make fun of his slanty eyes.
You will be called racist in these cases just like in the case you mentioned you would be called anti-semetic. Why?
Because it is. DUH. Making fun of Mo doesn't make you a racist any more than making fun of Jese.
Just because I choose not to make nasty comments to Jews, blacks, asians, or arabs doesn't mean I don't have the right to. Your comment just shows your weird obsession with Jews,
Anti-semitism is frowned on, just like racism towards other groups are. It's not illegal


jose   May 21st, 2010 8:16 am ET

The truth is i do believe we ought to respect other people's religion. I think that deliberately flouting Muslim custom is disrespectful and I'll not do it, and at the same time I expect Muslims to respect my customs.
thanks


baig   May 21st, 2010 8:17 am ET

freedom of speech...??... Can people in the west make deny or make cartoons/ fun of the Holocaust?


jane doe   May 21st, 2010 8:18 am ET

Actually Bharath
Muslims did start 2 dozen pages exactly like the ones you mentioned. I countered them with pages making fun of genocide against Muslims and praising Miloseiv. Here is a reality check genius: making fun of mass murder is not the same as drawing Mo.
My page was deleted because of Muslim complaints and I expect the HItler ones will be too.
Get over your obsession with Jews.
Facebook does not allow the KKK to have a page either. Get over yourself


Responder   May 21st, 2010 8:19 am ET

Asif: "All of us muslims, we dont like it. And we dont use facebook anymore."

Good, it may save some bandwidth. Now I can access Facebook faster.


Sue   May 21st, 2010 8:24 am ET

To all muslims who think this is a terrible abomination of "your peaceful Islam", where are you when your kin bomb and kill innocents ? Why no hue and cry then ? No protest pages ? No open reactions of disgust ? Such double standards rob you of your right to protest.

Oh and I read this again and again.....if the article is correct, Muslims are not just against the physical depiction of their god, they are against the depiction of ALL gods !! Well, who are you to tell me how to depict MY god ?? If I want to idol-worship, I will. This shows that you can only demand respect, but have none for others. For the record, I'm an atheist, so I don't care about religion either way. I do, however, care about my rights.


chris annele   May 21st, 2010 8:24 am ET

freedom of speech:
what if muslim started supporting the idea of holocaust?
what if there is a annual celebration day for holocaust?
what if hilter is considered hero, and great political, an inspirational figure?
what if cartoons are made depicting hitler, humiliating jews?

You already do these things except the 2nd. And perhaps we need to start going all these 4 things to you? Has it ever occured to you that Non-Muslims have the same right to support genoicide on Muslims? We have the same right to have an annual celebration on all the Muslims who are murdered? Get real... all these things could be done against Muslims too. Has that never occured to you?


Gloria M   May 21st, 2010 8:28 am ET

"freedom of speech...??... Can people in the west make deny or make cartoons/ fun of the Holocaust?"

As much as making fun of slavery, Native American genocide, Bosnian ethnic cleansing.
Can I draw cartoons making fun of murdering Muslims where you live?

If you suggest that making fun of Jews is the only taboo I suggest you make some cartoons about black people being lynched and show it to your black friends


kommmie   May 21st, 2010 8:29 am ET

the west who call themselves liberal are in fact extremely extremists. they think mocking other religions, making nude and disgusting pictures of their prophet is something funny. ok, what if someone makes pictures of holocaust, making fun of jews, and praising hilter? that's also freedom of speech. so why do you cry then?
for you holocaust is big thing, for us our religion is a big thing. things like these only create differences, and promotes hate. there are some 3-6 million christens in pakistan, no one here defames jesus, or pope


Muhammad Drawer   May 21st, 2010 8:30 am ET

To answer your questions. Yes you can, and there are, pages that deny the Holocaust on FB. You can also make any amount of cartoons "Hailing Hitler". Just don't expect to be taken seriously, or as acceptable. In neither case will you be killed for it.


kommmie   May 21st, 2010 8:31 am ET

On 11 November 2005, the Austrian police in the southern state of Styria, acting under a 1989 warrant, arrested David Irving, (a historian who claimed the Holocaust was exaggerated). Four days later, he was charged by state prosecutors with the speech crime of "trivialising the Holocaust". His application for bail was ...denied on the grounds that he would flee or repeat the offence. He remained in jail awaiting trial. On 20 February 2006 Irving pleaded guilty to the charge of "trivialising, grossly playing down and denying the Holocaust".


kommmie   May 21st, 2010 8:32 am ET

Dear Muslims...

Its will be waste of time to argue with these people who have never been educated even on their own religion and now talking about Islam. Its is there strategy to take anger out of us. These are the people who abuse their own religion and their own prophets how can you expect them to Respect ours. We know what our Prophet is to us and we can tell them in a more better way rather than just giving explanations here.

Just pray that may Allah show them the right path


Asif   May 21st, 2010 8:33 am ET

To responder:

"Good, it may save some bandwidth. Now I can access Facebook faster."

yeah right.....use facebook and do what?? Spend your valuable time in something of no worth??? Only if you could use a little of this time for yourself. Comon, drain your mind and refill it with something cause worthy.


Saud   May 21st, 2010 8:34 am ET

People, whoever is talking against Muslims, Please study ISLAM not MUSLIMS!!!!! You will definitely figure out what Islam teaches and where muslims are standing!

Muslims are not perfect and are not following Islam properly as it should be.


demonfeed   May 21st, 2010 8:35 am ET

I say we have draw mohammed CENTURY. What happens when you do something the Islamists don't like? Death threats. Well, how about the next time they throw a death threat at us, we kill 200 of them? That sounds more than fair.


Hu   May 21st, 2010 8:39 am ET

Ever notice Muslims respond to everything my lamenting whether it is considered freedom of speech to encourage genocide against Jews?

I don't see them asking if it is okay to make fun of killing Muslims. Or encouaraging genocide against Muslims. Maybe we should do both these things since Muslims wont shut up about not enough encouraging genocide allowed. "Let's make fun of genocide against Jews Day"


Muhammad Drawer   May 21st, 2010 8:40 am ET

@Kommie. Yup, and if you read my original post "Make it illegal in your countries, like Holocaust defaming is in Germany." Austria also has this law. It isn't Illegal in most other western countries such as the US, England, Italy, and the Nordic countries.


Hu   May 21st, 2010 8:40 am ET

My last comment got cut off.
Instead of having "Let's make fun of genocide against Jews Day"
We should have "Let's make fun of genocide against Muslims Day"


Muhammad Drawer   May 21st, 2010 8:41 am ET

Oh, and in your example: He wasn't Killed for it.


Mary H   May 21st, 2010 8:45 am ET

Since Muslims are obsessed with the right to make fun of killing Jews, may I ask- do I have the right to praise and encourage genocide against Muslims in any Islamic country.

And to whoever posted that stuff about David Irving. It's not my business what the laws are in Austria. I don't agree with it.. but I agree with the laws about stoning women for adlultry even less


Asif   May 21st, 2010 8:47 am ET

All,

Lets live a peaceful life togather as a human first. This is what islam teaches. And whoever is following any religion or not following any, its their right because a child is born with no choice of selecting any religion, he is born just as a human being.

Its no ones mistake if he/she follows or doesnt follow a religion. if they are not good with humans, then its their mistake.


Mary H   May 21st, 2010 8:47 am ET

All Muslims do is complain about the lack of making fun of killing Jews. They never complain that making fun of or questioning slavery of lynching is sort of taboo and not done. Why doesn't this bother them to?


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