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September 9, 2008

The world will not end this week

Posted: 03:21 PM ET
The Large Hadron Collider control room, near Geneva, Switzerland

The Large Hadron Collider control room, near Geneva, Switzerland

Scientists are about to fire up the Large Hadron Collider, the world's largest particle accelerator. The 17-mile long circular tunnel runs through Switzerland, and a bit of France. The object of the game (the $8 billion game, by the way) is to smash protons into each other, replicating the conditions an instant after the Big Bang.

The practical applications for this? None.
The prize? Possibly answering a key question about everything. The search for the Higgs boson, a particle that's not yet discovered, but theorized. Physicists believe that the Higgs - sometimes called the "God Particle" - is what creates mass.

Sadly, there's been a mild media frenzy (including CNN, which published an AP story on the topic last June) focused not on the potential for discovery, but on concerns that there's a theoretical chance that smashing these two proton streams together at nearly the speed of light will create tiny black holes that will unite, swallow up the Large Hadron Collider, then swallow up Switzerland, France, Earth, and the rest of the solar system.

As I understand it, there's a universe of difference between the massive black holes of space that swallow up matter, and the tiny ones that would be generated in the LHC, each with a lifespan of a tiny fraction of a nanosecond.

That hasn't stopped a wave of online protests, and a lawsuit in US court to stop the project (the US Department of Energy is a participant in the collider experiment).

Okay, it should be clear by now that particle physics is not my strong suit. Botany isn't either, and Walter Wagner, the guy who filed the lawsuit, is a card-carrying botanist. He also filed a similar suit against the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, which has been operating at Brookhaven National Labs since 2000, with no apparent impact to Life As We Know It.

I'd love to hear your take on all this. If you share Mr. Wagner's concerns, please get your comments in by 3:30AM ET Wednesday. If not, take your time. I'm pretty sure the world will still be here tomorrow, when testing begins, or through the next month as the tests complete and they try out the Real Thing. If I'm wrong, I'll buy every one of you a nice lunch. But I'm pretty sure we'll go back to destroying the world the slow, methodical, hard way, and not in a flash while you're sleeping tonight.

Peter Dykstra Executive Producer CNN Science, Tech, and Weather

Filed under: Large Hadron Collider • Physics • science • Scientists

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Ben   September 12th, 2008 12:23 am ET

Okay, so it seems like a number of different views are being expressed on this situation. From my own perspective, there are seven types of commenters:

Religious Zealots: those who use the term "God" a lot, without appropriately citing the good book for His likely responses to LHR

Flat-Earthers/Luddites: why seek (new) knowledge? change is bad! what was good enough for my great-great-grandparents ...

The Offendeds/No-Nothings: Why does the American taxpayer pay for all of this? Why didn't I get to vote? Why don't I have complete say?

The Intelligent Creationists (an uncommon group here): those who understand the tenets of science, and also believe in God; God is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient; I especially liked the guy who wrote "He ... knows his laws of physics."

The Scientists: the arrogant class who explain why, how and what they are exploring; granted, better social skills and (especially) media savvy would have made this a much shorter blog

The Rationalists: those picky auditers who pick apart the claims of the Zealots/Flat-earthers/Offendeds by using logic and rationale; your obsequoius adherence to common logic is not common in this blog

The Smart-Asses: if you're going to comment, be witty, topical, and succint. In other words, make it funny, and to the point.

Cheers from this side of the planet!

P.S. Johnny Rotten! My chain-gun is oiled and ready! I have your back!

P.S. Phil. Sorry about the supermodel. You knew it would never work out.

Okay, Ben, you've mildly offended just about everyone who contributed here, but you kept it civil, and did it with style. Nice work, thanks. Oh, and you've just launched Category #8, the "Categorizers." 🙂

Ray G.   September 12th, 2008 12:55 am ET

Just checked in and read Susan's strange comment. Uhmm ... should somebody tell her that window glass actually blocks the UV rays that cause skin cancer? Well, I guess it's the thought that counts.

Big Foot   September 12th, 2008 1:11 am ET

If a God Particle and it's Super Symmetric parter tried to annihilate each other,, who would win?

Big Foot   September 12th, 2008 1:17 am ET

(Big Foot need bigger keyboard for Big Hands ... will try to type question again.)

If a God Particle and its Super Symmetric Partner tried to annihilate each other, who would win?

Big Foot   September 12th, 2008 1:38 am ET

Sam Bandak caused the real panic this week ... dozens of particle physicists rushing to their compuers to spellcheck their powerpoints.

Franko   September 12th, 2008 2:59 am ET

Scary are Black Holes, Monsters under your bed, Pack Man devouring, hungry since the Bang Big Eatery. Hawking radiation, for Pack Man evaporation, not yet observed.

New territory for theory, If extra large additional dimensions actually do exist, then PackMan could come alive, by hiding, bouncing off a braine trampoline. Break a leg, break up, the end of PackMan, just like Humpty Dumpty ?

The only for 100% this is nothing new, Moon not StrangeString strangled. Particles, all kinds, 6 million times more energy than the Puny Collider, go unnoticed.

"Nostradamus: the Large Hadron Collider black hole will eat us"
" Everyone who thinks that the LHC is dangerous is a twat."

Shyla   September 12th, 2008 6:15 am ET

It is very interesting to know about the origin. I believe a black hole with a tiny fraction of nanoseconds lifespan will do nothing to our world

Micki   September 12th, 2008 7:00 am ET

To everyone saying the scientists should have done everything possible to mitigate the negative effects this experiment MIGHT have, how do you know they didn't? I'm SURE they've gone through all the scenarios they can come up with.

Outside of that, to each person here, I bet 8 billion sounds like a lot of money. But considering what we're spending on the war in Iraq (or, even worse, the general military budget) which also gets us nowhere, is it really all that bad? There's no way to tell if practical applications may develop from this, but I'm pretty sure our war efforts are just as fruitless, and cost much more money.

If you're against the war in Iraq or war in general, then focus on that instead. If you're for the war, then consider, the money the US has invested there may pay off in bigger and better weapons.

Himilayan Bob   September 12th, 2008 10:11 am ET

Most importantly....what does T Boone Pickens think about this?

Seriously though. Do you not think atoms collide in the real world? Should we protest the sun and have it shut down too? I bet there is a significant atom stream coming from it...and quite likely at a near-light speed to boot. OH MY GOD!!!! We're all going to die because these whacky sceintists are trying to recreate a naturally occuring event in as close to a controlled environment as humanly possible.

Worst case I can think of, is we'll have our dark portal to Hellfire Peninsula, so we can make our march to Shattrath while gearing up to take down Illidan. Night Elf Mohawks FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John   September 12th, 2008 10:47 am ET

Well – you probably have not seen the You-Tube rap by Alpine Cat. If you do, you will understand that the entire field of subatomic physics is developing on the basis of a remarkable guess about the existence of Boson-Higgs particles and the balance of matter/anti-matter. The whole argument goes: Since we can't see it or detect it, it must exist if the law of conservation of energy is true. Best case: we can prove antimatter by the direction of particles flying after a collision, assuming that antimatter was created and flying in the opposite (net) direction. Alternately, the same result can also be used to prove that the law of energy conservation does not hold on a sub-atomic level. Is it worth $9 Billion? Well, the money is not being thrown into a black hole. Its more of a stimulus package for the scientific community. People building the huge facilities, the scientists working there, and the community that serves it are set up for a windfall that will prove the law of the conservation of money, which states: "Since money does not really exist, it can neither be created or destroyed, but only spent."

Brack   September 12th, 2008 11:15 am ET

Besides the fact that the amount of money that the US gave was only about half a billion dollars, and the rest came from the other countries involved and private investors. I really don't think the US was wasting our money.

tim   September 12th, 2008 11:25 am ET

i hope this multi-billion dollar metal doughnut finally ends this religious charade.

science: 1 god: 0

Quarion   September 12th, 2008 11:29 am ET

To Big Foot:

"If a God Particle and its Super Symmetric Partner tried to annihilate each other, who would win?"

God's too busy laughing at all these humans trying to speak in His name and interpret His desires and thoughts. After all, who are we lesser lifeforms to even concieve of interpreting what a higher power is thinking? When man wrote the Bible, God was probably wondering what flavor of Higher-Order Pop Tarts to have for breakfast.

Winner: Super Symmetry.

Sean   September 12th, 2008 12:23 pm ET

JV September 9th, 2008 4:06 pm ET

(((Many of the people who are panicking about the experiment are the same people who would sign a petition to ban hydrogen dioxide (because it can and has caused death).

I believe ur joke requires dihydrogen oxide....not hydrogen dioxide...haha))))

But yes, all of the people scared of this just don't understand the science. I'm a undergrad physics student, and i'll tell you that the chances are much greater of a planet killing asteriod impacting Earth than us creating black holes to crush us all out of existence. Rest assured everybody; this is just a great moment for physics. That is all.

SomaticCorpse   September 12th, 2008 12:40 pm ET

Two protons will create a black hole... ...massive enough to "consume" the mass of our system, as we know it!?

Que!? Really!?!?!?! I mean, REALLY!?!?!?!?

Does anyone remember ratios and Einstein's equation, anymore!?

Our Nuclear weapons don't work off of singular collisions, but collisions in a chain, a.k.a.: chain reaction.

I mean, a collision of two particles will end everything, as we know it!?
These must be the same people who thought that the U.S. was being invaded by Russia, because Russia invaded Georgia...

Come on... You're going to collide two small masses and get a huge amount of energy out of it? It doesn't work that way... Google and Wikipedia are your friends, people! Do some research, eh!?

Franko   September 12th, 2008 12:49 pm ET

Godism created the God Particle. Particleism created matter anti-matter symmetry. Mirror on the wall refleted the CP violation.

Violate the principles of Godism, get the result: Deuteronomy 28:53-58
Read the only true theorist, above God:

BDC   September 12th, 2008 1:49 pm ET

Attention folks still having a hard time: This LHC will not destroy the world. The energies are somewhat high but the particles are extremely small. Higher energy collisions happen in the atmosphere all the time. (to the tune of 10 billion times higher energy).. so this has about one ten-billionth the power of naturally occurring collisions from cosmic rays. The earth is not big enough to fit an accelerator which would make these world-destroying black holes even if you made one that circled the whole world. (Maybe having it explained ONE more time will help people get it)

Secondly to the people who said we should take 8 billion dollars and feed the hungry. That's fine and good. There are around 8 billion people in the world (rough estimate) and lets say half of them are poor. They will each have $2 and eat for a few days then starve again and we would not have our big particle accelerator. Drop in the bucket. We might not like it but there always have been the poor and they will probably always be.

Ed   September 12th, 2008 4:12 pm ET

There is NO chance that the LHC could create a black hole that would last LONG ENOUGH to be dangerous – they decay via Hawking Radiation just as soon as they are created...leaving just the Hawking radiation (a particle and it's anti-particle counterpart) left.

Then these mutually annihilate one another, leaving a spate of other particles and some energy, all trapped by the detectors.

Some of these folks need to get a real life – after all, did the botanist study black holes in their native environment in the jungles of California?

Melissa   September 12th, 2008 4:22 pm ET

Shouldn't the world have to agree to do something like this? Of this magnitude. I mean how far can we take science? Humanity should have a say if it could possibly effect our planet. Can't we just be happy with the perfect cycle and system of the way our planet works?

We weren't meant to know everything.

I do think those Earthquakes had something to do with the energy given off by the magnets when it was powered on, its to much of a coincidence, Japan, Indoniesia, and Iran? Now Tsunami's? WHo will be responsible if life itself is changed in any way?

When are they planning on the collision?

Entropy   September 12th, 2008 4:59 pm ET

The energy scale of the LHC is only a few orders of magnitude higher than that of very energetic Cosmic Rays. Since we have not seen Quantum Black Holes in the entire time we have been observing Cosmic Ray events there is no reason to think we will see them now. LHC is a waste of money and Higgs is not required to complete a internally consistent "Theory of Everything". We need to fund Polywell Electrodynamic Fusion and other small science research that has the potential to change the way we live and use the resources of this planet.

frank   September 12th, 2008 7:26 pm ET

why would you spend all that money on something stupid that WOULD PROBALLY GO WRONg and kill us all. I think they should stop this right now.

brandon   September 12th, 2008 7:31 pm ET

this is retard i dont wanna die im too young im only in elementary school

Karl   September 12th, 2008 7:34 pm ET

darn it maybe it will end next week

DLC   September 12th, 2008 9:14 pm ET

The truth is no one really knows much about black holes...whose to say they last a fraction of a second. Besides that this machine is going to create a gravitational field 100,000 times stronger than the Earths. We are dealing with the unkown which is nerve racking....not everyone on this Earth signed up for this. I don't see this project stopping but I hope we get something out of this....if we don't get wiped out.

Franko   September 12th, 2008 10:13 pm ET

Bible: "You will always have the destitute with you, but you will not always have me" - Meaning, make hay in daylight, to survive, new weapons, defend against Aliens, pre-emptive strike to Alpha Centuary, Pave over the Alien, not the reverse, Bible extrapolated.

If extra dimensions found, can we send a time slowed Black Hole to the Alpha Centaury System ? Otherwise, accelerate an iron dust particle to near light speed ? Ignorance is bliss, till we get zapped, as the Alien Bible suremacy cmmanded !

raquel villalobos   September 12th, 2008 11:10 pm ET

YEAH THANK YOU FOR FREAKING ME OUT. my brother told me this during dinner that one of his teachers told the class and i started crying . im paranoid of dieing. i know it is probably going to happen some day..but i rather just live life and not kno when my death date is. that is probably the worst thing that i can know. thinking of dieing scares me and especailly my whole life gone. i have dreams and goals that i want to achieve. and to progress in my long life ahead of me. im only 13. nice to kno that i might die in 6 weeks. 🙂

thanks you officailly ruined my life. if i have one.

Carlos   September 13th, 2008 12:15 am ET

We must face the fact that we are borned, we live, we have kids (some of us) and then we die. that is the fact, everyone... Then the same must happen to mankind. We are limited by time and so is the human race.
We´ve been on the planet for 100,000 years , will the human race live for ever? are we indistructables?? I dont think... dooms day could be tomorrow, could be in 1000 years, could be in 100,000 years . But I think its inevitable.How will the end be? many ways,....some mishap with something like a LHC could be the case.
If this LHC works and nothing happens to us.
I just hope I can do more things on live life to its fullest and that this mishap wont happen in my lifespan.
I live in Colombia and declare my self ignorant with physics. But I really hope nothing happens

Franko   September 13th, 2008 1:08 am ET

"Then the same must happen to mankind." - Wrong,
Ding Dong of the Contented Cow's bell, mowing the lawn, closer to slaughter.
Logical fallacy of extrapolation from one to many. Death is just one Every living Human changing evolving, when dead several replacements. Genetics, Culture, Religion, Faith, hypnotically passed on. Not death of imagination, but the will to live ensure, power, the Human Conveyor Belt to Eternity

Laundry Man   September 13th, 2008 1:43 am ET

If this actually does create a black hole, maybe I can get my missing socks back.

Hugh Gerection   September 13th, 2008 10:28 am ET

I don't know, I kind of like Brad's idea of a alternative reality and bieng rich and surrounded by half nekked women.

rk   September 13th, 2008 2:02 pm ET

i think that we should get to vote on this because it involves all of our lives, and i believe it should not be left in the hands of some scientists who are not 100% sure thatif this will kill us all or not. Its risky and they have no right to mess with our lives because they want to find out more about "life" , i mean...just live with the way you have lived all your life and let the world be, stop trying to find out more, and end up destroying the world, and im sure they wouldnt like being blamed for the end of the world anyways, i dont care if it does work out and they find answers to their stupid questions....they are just some stupid people because they want to test something that may destory all of us, and 8 billiob dollars? why in the world will you spend $8 billion on something that could kill us all when you could help feed the poor? at least i got to say somethign before we all die

Rich   September 13th, 2008 9:29 pm ET

I'm much more frightened of religious conservatives and scientific ignorance than I am of the LHC. Fearing the LHC makes as much sense as the fear of floridated water in the US in the 1950's (It was all a commie-pinko plot).

Seriously folks, if you have a pathological need to worry, you should pick something that's a more likely being hit on the head by three different meteors on three consecutive days...or all of the air molecules in the room suddenly, through random chance, moving to the other side of the room leaving you in vacuum.

james   September 14th, 2008 12:10 am ET

if the world ends because of this it will not matter. we will all die at the same time and together without even knowing it.

case   September 14th, 2008 2:15 am ET

god lord people will you calm down? the world is NOT going to end anytime soon. and when it does you can rest assured that it was all the pollution and raping of the worlds natural resources that did it. and for the sake of pete 17 year old 5 months pregnant just eat something already.

cb   September 14th, 2008 4:11 am ET

I have continually noticed something in this country – whenever some (but not all) people who claim to be educated and religious don't understand something or think something goes against their faith, they don't make the attempt to do what an educated person would do: find out more information.

Besides the "outcry" over the Large Hadron Collider, I have seen the same reactions from climate change and evolution, to pollution and medicine and "cancer-causing" cellular phones. You need the facts, you need the research, and if, for example, every major scientific society agrees on something like climate change, they are probably right. The LHC is safe, we will learn new things about the Standard Model, knowledge will advance, and technological applications will come later.

No one thought relativity mattered for every day life, but if you used a GPS that did not take into account the differing passage of time from the surface of the Earth to satellites in low earth orbit, you would end up far from your destination. Same for quantum mechanics – we all used a computer based on transistors to access and place our comments here.

darwin + dawkins are my gods   September 14th, 2008 7:32 am ET

I hope these experiments will provide us with some really important insights into the nature of matter and cosmic forces, while shutting up the self-delusional bible-banging god-fearing flat-earth doomsday dimwits that constantly try to impose their desperate medieval self-righteous intellectual black holes on the rest of us...

Should any black hoIes truly develop, I "pray" they will be big enough for all the religious neanderthals to get sucked into them once and for all, and be unidirectionally transported to far, far away, otherwise inaccessible dimensions.

Collide away, LHC!

Franko   September 14th, 2008 10:40 am ET

Looking for the most ancient text, to reveal laws unchanged since the
Reality Big Bang. Rosetta Stone Henge, beaming all around. Smash and break, gather the dust, too late, the answer, blown away by the Dogma God.

Eyes rolled up   September 14th, 2008 11:00 am ET

Had a good laugh reading some of the comments about the LHC. I've heard of that experiment for some time since it began built from the start. Now it's about finally to be fired up, eh? Oct 21st, huh – almost in time for my big B-day (but not... I say "almost") LOL!

Go Ahead – Fire it up!

Black Hole? I think not, come on... be real, one atom hitting another atom and we expect a black hole big enough to shallow our earth? Nonsense! The eggheads are just looking for an answer to their question is all.

While in personally, i do agree the $8 billion is a huge waste of mooch – there are lots better use for others – to improve or invest for humanity. Feeding the whole poor on Earth is impossible for that amount of $8 billion. It'd be gone in a short time, not forever! Then what? All the poor people go hungry again, see?

End of the world? Get your life striaght in portions from most important to least! The LHC isn't my main worry – why should it be yours? Hmph! I get other better stuff to deal with. I wouldn't care one itty-bitsy speck of dirt if the LHC failed or broke down or successful... it's meaningless to me anyway.

LOL.... hahaha can't believe there are actually some "End-of-the-World" signs being trotted on streets still around? I thought it belong in the era of silent comedy flicks – like "Charles Chapain" !!

d   September 14th, 2008 11:24 am ET

I say fire a Democrat from one end and a Republican from the other. Maybe it will create a real leader.

Seriously though. Yeah, let's say we discover something. What can we do with it or produce using that information? Seems to me that it's a whole lot a money being spent so some geeks can say "hey we were right".

We don't have the responsibility or ability to use anything learned. It's like letting your 5 year old play with your handguns. I've heard about what we COULD do with the knowledge learned but what WILL we do with it? How many decades and billions of dollars more will that take, while the morals needed to possess that knowledge continue to erode?

99.9% chance the first items created with these discoveries are weapons..

worried sick!!!   September 14th, 2008 12:19 pm ET

to german scientist of the future are you for real or are you just kidding i do not want to die form this please tell me if you were kidding or not.

Seth   September 14th, 2008 12:29 pm ET

Black holes require a LOT of mass to consume stuff. They have to have more mass then what they are consuming.

The earth has more mass then any micro black hole. They are ripped apart by other forces and Earth's gravity well before they do anything.

austin33   September 14th, 2008 12:46 pm ET

I do not understand a great deal of the theories behind this experiment but can see clearly the benefits and or consequences of performing more tests such as these. The energy generated from this kind of test in my mind could be anything from 'minute' to maybe 'blow themselves up'. As far as the rest of thew world is concerned, I just dont see it being an issue.

To the folks out there worried about the possible dangers and consequences of such experiments should probably remove their heads from the sand soon. Lack of oxygen can lead to mental disorders/brain damage. You are likely the same people that complain about fuel costs and at the same time have no grasp of reality in this world. Your reality is now, not tomorrow. If your kind were so concerned about the world coming to an end you would likely be spending a little more time addressing some thought towards all of the other problems in the world.

To the scientists I humbly offer this train of thinking, especially those working for or with The Department of Energy. If we take a moment and look at our world and everything that is around us we can see one tremendous form of energy being wasted daily while we continue to pollute our environment. The nearest Star to our planet should showcase what is available as a means. The fact that we are spending billions on developing this accelorator is of no consequence. The money belongs to the goverment anyways, not me or anyone else for that matter. If we were focusing more effort on finding new ways to gather energy from our own star, what impact could or would this have on our well-being as a society? Have we really become this ignorant that we march along towards certain demise? And yes, if we stay on this course it will happen sooner or later. I am not concerned about me but I need to have some sense of a bright future for humanity as a whole.

Franko   September 14th, 2008 1:55 pm ET

We just simply do not know the results. Hence the banging of the protons.
Wild, tipsy point beyond, chaotic, butterfried mosquotoes ?

Very dense Neutron Stars are not eaten by little black holes – 100% safe.
If you worship false Gods.– God will make BabyBurger of only you.

Joosje   September 15th, 2008 7:15 am ET

Seriously, why would the UN or something like that allow a machine that can swallow the universe and erase mankind???

I don't believe it. This must be a media hype.
People who are scared spend money. Like when they said that in 2000 the world will end, tons of people bought food and stuff.


no seriously we arent going to die and if we do we die together so it doesnt matter anymore 😀

RJ   September 15th, 2008 11:11 am ET

In all honesty, I truly cannot believe how many certifiable idiots there are out there that have somehow mastered the art of turning a computer on and typing their small-minded rhetoric into it. How did so many of these people actually find the ON button, never-mind this website and blog...

There are certain realities that one needs to consider before sharing an opinion if they want that opinion to be taken seriously. The first being that their opinion of a situation involving nothing existential or philosophical should not contain anything as such. It should be based on their knowledge of the facts. Any injection of speculation or interpretation NOT centered around the known parameters renders the opinion moot, and therefore renders the credibility of the person issuing it inert. If I'm using too many big words for you to understand then you are not qualified to post an opinion on this blog. Case and Point.

Furthermore, those that DO know the facts and were willing to dump $8 Billion+ into this project are in a much better position to determine what both its possible benefits and potential dangers may be. Postulating on your soap boxes about the "End of the World" and such does nothing but demonstrate your lack of understanding of the SCIENCE behind the machine.

I want this to be clear – I am a devout christian with a firm and deep understanding of the science behind the universe that God has placed us in. I am also VERY familiar with the bible and what God has to say about the end of days. If you bring religion into the equation, anyone with any REAL understanding of what the bible says knows that man will not destroy the planet. He will come very close to destroying himself, and take big chunks of the planet with him, but the planet, and some of the life on it, remains. This is only valid if you decide to overlay a religious construct onto a non-religious issue.

The world will not end whenever they decide to smash things together. I'm not going to get into the science of it but the long and short is this: The "black holes" that form will not have enough of a gravitational influence on anything around them (due to their almost negligible mass) to consume even the nearest quarks, muons, or neighboring singularities that may have formed. The forces responsible for keeping particles together or apart at sub-atomic distances will easily overcome any gravity that these singularities may have, ripping them apart virtually instantaneously. This is not speculation, it is tried, tested and true FACT. Once again , if this does not make sense to you, go back to high-school, do WELL in a chemistry class (it's not just enough to take one), and then (and ONLY then) will you have any right, rhyme, or reason to comment on this blog. Just because you HAVE an opinion does not mean you should SHARE it...

Much love 😀


Bill   September 15th, 2008 11:30 am ET

I think it is funny listening to all the people freaking out... The same thing happened when Einstein was doing his work and it will happen again when the next big experiment arrives.. I think its great. Why wouldn't we do it? The possibilities are endless. This could make so many improvements or could not but why weigh all thoughts on the negative side? I am looking for the positive. How did we get here? God? I have never seen him so how do I know he exists? I would follow what the bible and churches say but they are just like scientists.. This is our theory and here is our book. Why do we believe them and not scientists. I for one have my money on the scientist and not the church..We will all still be alive just with more knowledge.

Quarion   September 15th, 2008 11:44 am ET

I find it amazing that most people that oppose the LHC and want to spend the money on some other cause can't find it in their hearts to use a spell check or proper grammar. Seriously, it comes installed in your common word processor and makes you look incompetent and illiterate when you post to public forums with serious errors.

Here's an idea: fix your own lives before you criticize modern day innovation. Glass houses, throwing stones... you know the drill.

cb   September 15th, 2008 12:43 pm ET

Actually part two of my opinion concerns the "waste" of money being spent on the LHC.

The US used to be at the forefront of scientific advancement and research. Now we are being overtaken by other nations who are ramping up their programs after seeing what the US did with the Manhattan Project, the Space Program, etc.

$8 billion is not chump change, true. But alot of these same people who want to stop using the LHC because of any perceived danger or a religious belief will not apply that to say, a foreign occupation that is not going to end and does not serve US interests. A war that has cost not just several billion dollars PER MONTH, but caused *confirmed* deaths in the thousands.

Have I made my point?

Franko   September 15th, 2008 1:50 pm ET

The debate is over, time to act, stop the green holes of ignorance
Sustainable , easily maintainable, politically correct, balanced little particles
As the Bible exemplified, in Lilies of the Field, do not theorize, be happy

Human destiny is to be munched on by God's new pet, an Alien Cow

Eli Cordova   September 15th, 2008 9:55 pm ET

The world is not going to end, even if the whole world floods over with water, the Bible clearly states that Jesus is coming soon, the Bible is Truth, Life and Love, it is everything. Even if there was an atomic bomb large enough for scientist or physicists or anyone with adequate scientific knowledge to think that it would destroy the world it will not, because my Lord will not allow it. He is coming soon and nothing man does can stop his coming, so test what you want the world is not going to end until Jesus comes to save those who love and worship him.

Rocky   September 16th, 2008 1:53 am ET

Still, none of you have answered my comments that some of these experiments could be used as research for new mega-weapons! Why is no one concerned about that? Or are any in the "scientific community" not willing to admit that possibility?

Franko   September 16th, 2008 4:38 am ET

Curiosity first, pesonal need next, weapon after, to kill the competition.
Monkey just Rocky curious, becomes hungry, nut and rock particle collided, other monkey steals a cracked nut. Rocky Monkey bangs rock on Thief monkey head

Particle collider at curiosity state.
Too early to tell how we can kill something. Fry a Mosquito fly, for food ?

Quarion   September 16th, 2008 9:05 am ET

Rocky, there is always the possibilty, but that research would still progress with or without the LHC. It is human nature and therefore inevitable.

Jessica   September 16th, 2008 11:59 am ET

Okay, what exactly is the whole point of this experiment??? To REALLY find out how the world started? And these people are willing to risk putting the whole world to an end just to find out?? I think that if there's even a slight chance that something really, really horrible will happen, they shouldn't be allowed to do it. I'm really terrified about this, I can't even explain how scared I am. Black holes??!! Screw this, who cares how we got here?? Geez. I'd rather live.

LEO   September 16th, 2008 4:57 pm ET

i think u guys r messing around and tryng to scare people? i know u guys r stupid but not that stupi 2 kill everyone, come on wats the matter with u dumbass scientist? get real wit it? stop ur bull$xxx

Quarion   September 16th, 2008 5:11 pm ET

I think you are in need of a spellchecker.

Josh   September 16th, 2008 5:32 pm ET

To All Who Fear The LHC,

Michael Peskin is a leading U.S. particle physicist at the Stanford Linear Accelerator (SLAC). He has written a wonderfully clear explanation of how we can be completely certain the LHC is safe. It's written in a way non-experts can follow, so please check it out. Unless you really enjoy your nightmares.

While you're at it, check out the LHC Webcam to witness the experiment in real time:


A Friend   September 17th, 2008 12:28 pm ET

Well I hope you all are happy. Could we turn off the collider now? The black hole it has created in the finanical sector is threatening to consume us all.

Carlos   September 17th, 2008 8:17 pm ET

I believe that when scientists make an experiment there is a great deal of the unknown. Once the experiment is done again and again, its only then when you will know the outcome.
Even if you make all kinds of calculations there is still an unknown result.
Dont get me wrong, scientific experimentation is what has made the human race what it advancements, new developments that make our life easier are invented everyday.
But when something as big and as hyped as this mega colider is posted on the news. I kind of get a bit nerves. I know its my ignorance of not knowing nothing about accelerators or physics. And I understand there is a similar one already working in Chicago, and that this one is only 7 times stronger. But when they start talking they will create a black hole. Or that they will finally get the chance of taking "pictures" of gods particles, wow I just hope for the best. All these particles they are looking for are only on paper, mathematical they must be there, but they have never been seen or saying this in other words, its still till now only pure theory. Then I say 99.99 % of the human race is putting there lifes on the hands of theroetical physicis.
The good thing is if something really happens we might now even feel it.. We will be sucked as fast as the speed of light.
I hope for the best.
On the other hand I do want to see cars flying. I want to have a flying car, so progress here me come.

Franko   September 18th, 2008 4:50 pm ET

There is a God concept. above even the top DogGod's logic.
Iteractions cannot be strong and weak at the same time, same place.
For the complexity to be, interactions have to be sufficiently weak.

Sputnick   September 18th, 2008 10:25 pm ET

This is a horrible idea. All the children who have had dreams about the future might not even make it to see next year. Nobody should agree about this.

Franko   September 19th, 2008 9:12 pm ET

Numerous disaster stories causing children's nightmares.
Little Red Riding Hood, Pied Piper, Devil, Monster Spider, Bible, Nostradamus, Al ManBearPig, so scared, being eaten by an unseen Black Hole is worst of all

Special laws, God paticle appies ony to those who faith fear the black hole
Die of fright in nightmare, hungry, eat Supersized Burger, food poision death.

The Innkeeper   September 21st, 2008 6:55 am ET

Why the moaning about how much has been spent on this project by those who want it stopped? The money has been spent. It is gone. It will not reappear if they decide to abandon the project. Would it be better to have spent the money for nothing? It is built, the money is spent, might as well turn the damn thing on and see just what kind of BANG! we get from our bucks.

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steve Mazzella   September 22nd, 2008 6:31 pm ET

Is it possible that the Black hole that is created be directed to the New York Stock Exchange? It would save the USA lots of time cleaning up the mess.

Franko   September 22nd, 2008 11:26 pm ET

The New York Stock Exchange, Black Hole Horizon evented your cash. Inside, beyond the horizon of observability, the cash was transferred, via secret bonuses, a trap door to a white hole. White hole exploded. Beyond horizon traceable is your cash.

Wes   September 24th, 2008 12:14 am ET

geez what with you all complaining about the end of the world or the 2012 thing and mixing this machine in with it. remember back in the eighties that in 2000 that the world will end cause of the y2k bug, well we're still here and breathing even exceeding it. All i can say is it's a scientific machine or equipment like a microscope just bigger nothing more nothing less, just wait and see what'll happen once it's back online. also don't engulf yourselves in all the religious dogma it hasn't helped much in the past.

HarleyRider   September 24th, 2008 2:56 pm ET

We have greater concerns to worry about.

Jim   September 24th, 2008 3:00 pm ET

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Occam's Razor prove that all of these far-fetched possible disasters scenarios won't happen?

Franko   September 24th, 2008 3:38 pm ET

"2000 that the world will end cause of the y2k bug"
Did not end, but old computer programs massaged climate records, to 1998, the warmest year, not the actual 1934. This caused massive eco panic driven cash flow to climatist organized crime.

Cooter   September 25th, 2008 8:49 pm ET

Bud's now owned by a bunch of Pinkie's..........Yeah it's gonna end.

fadi rabadi   September 26th, 2008 5:37 am ET

I think you should start making a movie about it , when you sell it you will cover the collider cost .

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Nepharin, stargated from Niburu, LHC SATANS STARGATE 2012
Cominng to your theathres soon, you thought ?
Better than that. Real nubile Niburians, Greatest orgy, since Babylon.
Even, before Biblical times, real lust prophecied

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